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It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:58 pm
by keos
Hello,
I have this small machine, 15GB, which I can't find a system to install because of its small capacity, someone recommended me to try with antiX, but I don't see how to download Xfce4 the desktop I need, I can't fine nothing about it on this site:
http://antixlinux.com/download/
I installed MXlinux but it is too big, just after the first update, without install apps ...:
Local Storage: total: 14.91 GiB used: 9.69 GiB (65.0%
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$ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev
tmpfs 380M 2.7M 378M 1% /run
/dev/sda2 15G 9.7G 3.9G 72% /
efivarfs 64K 22K 38K 37% /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
tmpfs 5.0M 16K 5.0M 1% /run/lock
tmpfs 760M 8.0K 760M 1% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1 253M 274K 252M 1% /boot/efi
cgroup 12K 0 12K 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs 380M 4.0K 380M 1% /run/user/108
tmpfs 380M 552K 380M 1% /run/user/1000
keos@mx:~
$
Thanks for any indication
Best regards
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[CODE]System:
Kernel: 6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64 [6.6-16~mx23ahs] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: audit=0
intel_pstate=disable rcupdate.rcu_expedited=1 BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64
root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash
Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm v: 4.18.0 vt: 7
dm: LightDM v: 1.26.0 Distro: MX-23.3_ahs_x64 Libretto January 21 2024 base: Debian GNU/Linux
12 (bookworm)
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: GOOGLE product: Peppy v: 1.0 serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 9
serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: GOOGLE model: Peppy v: 1.0 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: coreboot
v: MrChromebox-4.17.2 date: 07/18/2022
Battery:
ID-1: BAT0 charge: 32.7 Wh (100.0%) condition: 32.7/44.7 Wh (73.1%) volts: 12.7 min: 11.4
model: SONYCor AP13J4K type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: full cycles: 229
CPU:
Info: model: Intel Celeron 2955U bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Haswell level: v2 built: 2013-15
process: Intel 22nm family: 6 model-id: 0x45 (69) stepping: 1 microcode: 0x26
Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 smt: <unsupported> cache: L1: 128 KiB desc: d-2x32 KiB; i-2x32 KiB
L2: 512 KiB desc: 2x256 KiB L3: 2 MiB desc: 1x2 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 799 high: 800 min/max: 800/1400 scaling: driver: acpi-cpufreq
governor: ondemand cores: 1: 800 2: 798 bogomips: 5587
Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Vulnerabilities:
Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT disabled
Type: mds mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT disabled
Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
Type: mmio_stale_data status: Unknown: No mitigations
Type: retbleed status: Not affected
Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, IBPB: conditional, IBRS_FW, STIBP: disabled, RSB
filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
Type: srbds mitigation: Microcode
Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-7.5
process: Intel 22nm built: 2013 ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0
chip-ID: 8086:0a06 class-ID: 0300
Device-2: Sunplus Innovation HD WebCam type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 1-3:2
chip-ID: 1bcf:2c67 class-ID: 0e02
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver: X:
loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1366x768 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 361x203mm (14.21x7.99") s-diag: 414mm (16.31")
Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: ChiMei InnoLux 0x1132 built: 2013 res: 1366x768 hz: 60 dpi: 136
gamma: 1.2 size: 256x144mm (10.08x5.67") diag: 294mm (11.6") ratio: 16:9 modes: 1366x768
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 23.1.2-1~mx23ahs renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics (HSW GT1)
direct-render: Yes
Audio:
Device-1: Intel Haswell-ULT HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0
chip-ID: 8086:0a0c class-ID: 0403
Device-2: Intel 8 Series HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
chip-ID: 8086:9c20 class-ID: 0403
API: ALSA v: k6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.0 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Foxconn driver: ath9k
v: kernel modules: wl pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 168c:0034
class-ID: 0280
IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
Device-1: Foxconn / Hon Hai type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-4:3 chip-ID: 0489:e056
class-ID: e001
Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 2.1 lmp-v: 4.0 sub-v: 1
hci-v: 4.1 rev: 1102
Info: acl-mtu: 1022:8 sco-mtu: 183:5 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff
link-mode: peripheral accept service-classes: rendering, capturing, object transfer, audio,
telephony
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 14.91 GiB used: 9.69 GiB (65.0%)
SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Kingston model: SNS4151S316G size: 14.91 GiB block-size:
physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 01.1 scheme: GPT
Partition:
ID-1: / raw-size: 14.66 GiB size: 14.33 GiB (97.74%) used: 9.69 GiB (67.6%) fs: ext4
dev: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2
ID-2: /boot/efi raw-size: 256 MiB size: 252 MiB (98.46%) used: 274 KiB (0.1%) fs: vfat
dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1
Swap:
Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 2 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 file: /swap/swap
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 40.0 C pch: 95.0 C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Repos:
Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2096 libs: 1048 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala,synaptic pm: rpm
pkgs: 0
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
1: deb http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
2: deb http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/mx/repo/ bookworm ahs
Info:
Processes: 280 Uptime: 1h 33m wakeups: 10 Memory: 3.71 GiB used: 2.31 GiB (62.2%) Init: SysVinit
v: 3.06 runlevel: 5 default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12
Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: UEFI
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Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:41 pm
by Eadwine Rose
You want small, you can get antiX with fluxbox, icewm, and a few others.
I doubt @anticapitalista is going to make an Xfce antiX. So.. you will have to fiddle with that on your own to see if you can make that happen.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:42 pm
by dolphin_oracle
if its available, its in antiX's package manager or in the packeinstaller application. antiX does not prebuild an xfce version.
no matter what you a run, 16gb isn't a lot. might be better off getting a big sd card and running off of that rather than the internal storage.
although even with that mx system, you've got almost 5gb free, and that includes a 2gb swapfile on partition. you've got room for quite a bit, if you avoid flatpaks anyway.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 6:47 pm
by fehlix
keos wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:58 pm
I have this small machine, 15GB, which I can't find a system to install because of its small capacity..
I installed MXlinux but it is too big, just after the first update, without install apps ...:
You could try, to install onto the internal drive, like you would install onto an USB-stick.
So to say an internal IiveUSB.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 7:16 pm
by siamhie
Eadwine Rose wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:41 pm
You want small, you can get antiX with fluxbox, icewm, and a few others.
I doubt @anticapitalista is going to make an Xfce antiX. So.. you will have to fiddle with that on your own to see if you can make that happen.
There was that thread from just three days ago where someone was asking for a KDE antiX install and
anticapitalista said they only do window managers.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:03 pm
by siamhie
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:18 pm
by FullScale4Me
There is the
MX Linux 23.1 Minimal Xfce respin by dolphin_oracle.
When installed and updated, the / has 6.6 GB usage. That is with the Virtual Box extensions, Firefox (207 mb), Bluetooth admin applet & 2 Bluetooth utilities (8,634 KB).
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:56 pm
by dolphin_oracle
FullScale4Me wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:18 pm
There is the
MX Linux 23.1 Minimal Xfce respin by dolphin_oracle.
When installed and updated, the / has 6.6 GB usage. That is with the Virtual Box extensions, Firefox (207 mb), Bluetooth admin applet & 2 Bluetooth utilities (8,634 KB).
for the record, the minimal spin is by adrian, not me.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:51 pm
by siamhie
keos wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:58 pm
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Drives:
Local Storage: total: 14.91 GiB used: 9.69 GiB (65.0%)
SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Kingston model: SNS4151S316G size: 14.91 GiB block-size:
physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 01.1 scheme: GPT
You might want to see if you can upgrade that Kingston SATA III SSD M.2 16GB drive.
Here is antiX 23.1 with XFCE installed in a vm.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:30 am
by keos
Without Xfce4,
I'm disabled, handicap ...
I had no other choice but to continue dealing with MXLinux, with which, after installing the most basic things I need, and removing, as far as I know, some things ... and cleaning the system, now it looks like this:
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keos@mx:~
$ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev 1.8G 0 1.8G 0% /dev
tmpfs 380M 2.7M 378M 1% /run
/dev/sda2 15G 11G 3.4G 76% /
efivarfs 64K 24K 36K 41% /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
tmpfs 5.0M 16K 5.0M 1% /run/lock
tmpfs 760M 8.0K 760M 1% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1 253M 274K 252M 1% /boot/efi
cgroup 12K 0 12K 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs 380M 4.0K 380M 1% /run/user/108
tmpfs 380M 12K 380M 1% /run/user/1000
keos@mx:~
$
Maybe I will be able to continue bringing out some more things ...
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:06 am
by rokytnji.1
I get by using 16 internal drive for root "/" and then use a 64 gig SD card for /home on my antiX chromebook
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic ... o-install/
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harry@chromebook:~
$ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev
tmpfs 384M 896K 383M 1% /run
/dev/mmcblk1p4 13G 4.9G 7.1G 41% /
tmpfs 5.0M 12K 5.0M 1% /run/lock
tmpfs 968M 0 968M 0% /dev/shm
/dev/mmcblk1p2 599M 288K 599M 1% /boot/efi
/dev/mmcblk0p1 57G 268M 54G 1% /home
harry@chromebook:~
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:32 am
by keos
Oh, that would be ideal, but I do not know neither the card selection nor the procedure ... I would not know how to do in order to install the system ...
For example, for this little machine, I ask you, could this be the card to use?:
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme- ... 09X7C7NCZ/
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 11:28 am
by siamhie
keos wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:30 am
Without Xfce4,
I'm disabled, handicap ...
If your insistent on using a drive that only has 16GB and want the XFCE desktop as an installation medium
you can look into
openSUSE Tumbleweed XFCE. 4GB after install and updates.
* direct link was removed
Otherwise XFCE can be installed in antiX as I showed in post #9.
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siamhie@tumbleweed:~> inxi -b
System:
Host: tumbleweed Kernel: 6.10.5-1-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20240825
Machine:
Type: Virtualbox System: innotek GmbH product: VirtualBox v: 1.2
serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Oracle model: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: <superuser required>
BIOS: innotek GmbH v: VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006
CPU:
Info: 8-core AMD Ryzen 9 5950X [MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 3447
Graphics:
Device-1: VMware SVGA II Adapter driver: vmwgfx v: 2.20.0.0
Display: x11 server: X.org v: 1.21.1.12 driver: X: loaded: vmware
unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa gpu: vmwgfx resolution: 1958x1312~60Hz
API: OpenGL v: 4.5 vendor: mesa v: 24.1.3 renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 18.1.8
256 bits)
Network:
Device-1: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet driver: e1000
Device-2: Intel 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI type: network bridge
driver: piix4_smbus
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 20 GiB used: 3.99 GiB (20.0%)
Info:
Memory: total: 8 GiB available: 7.76 GiB used: 813 MiB (10.2%)
Processes: 226 Uptime: 0h 3m Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.35
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:35 pm
by mxer
I have several distros that I have installed on 16GB M2 SSD drives....
Likely Void XFCE would suit your needs, takes just under 3GB disk space.
https://voidlinux.org/
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:09 pm
by rokytnji.1
keos wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:32 am
Oh, that would be ideal, but I do not know neither the card selection nor the procedure ... I would not know how to do in order to install the system ...
For example, for this little machine, I ask you, could this be the card to use?:
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme- ... 09X7C7NCZ/
It'll work just fine. I formatted mine as ext 4 file system. You can use ext 2 . Might have to run a live gparted session though to run a check on file system from time to time as ext 2 though.
On the MX installer. Is there not a drop down menu for like /home, / , esp? All I did was click and point.
Grub went on esp partition on my install.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:10 pm
by keos
On Distrowatch it says:
...rolling-release development model with daily updates ...
Does that mean I'll never have to upgrade to a higher version?
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 5:46 pm
by FullScale4Me
keos wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:10 pm
On Distrowatch it says:
...rolling-release development model with daily updates ...
Does that mean I'll never have to upgrade to a higher version?
If you don't mind the word 'stability' dropped out of the description!
Ask any Arch Linux user how often they have to do post-update repairs. Stability is why many choose MX Linux.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 6:44 pm
by siamhie
keos wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:10 pm
On Distrowatch it says:
...rolling-release development model with daily updates ...
Does that mean I'll never have to upgrade to a higher version?
Linux Jargon Buster: What is a Rolling Release Distribution?
Rolling release is a model in which updates to a software are continuously rolled out, rather than in batches of versions.
The rolling release also comes at the cost of testing. You may have surprises when the latest update starts creating problem for your system.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:45 am
by keos
I think it would be best to spend a little more $ and...
https://www.androidcentral.com/how-upgr ... chromebook
Well, I've tried other distros like Manjaro, Antergos in the past, I think it's called Endeavouros today, something like that, and I've seen that discounting the times I've broken them -- most of the time -- there have been moments when without doing absolutely anything those systems have 'sort of self-destructed' themselves, and that's why I've stayed with MX, until today...
But it seems that things have been changing a bit lately and there are distros like openSUSE Leap that claim to be very stable, in fact I'm trying it out.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:35 am
by siamhie
keos wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:45 am
But it seems that things have been changing a bit lately and there are distros like openSUSE Leap that claim to be very stable, in fact I'm trying it out.
openSUSE Leap XFCE comes in at 8.3GB.
It's worth noting
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MX-23.3 XFCE= 11GB
antiX-23.1 XFCE= 8.5GB
Debian 12.6 XFCE= 9.7GB
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:52 am
by keos
@siamhie
Back to post #9
How do you manage to install Xfce4? I assume you are having two desktops, one of those offered by the system by default + Xfce4, installed by you... isn't that right?.
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 11:59 am
by siamhie
keos wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:52 am
@siamhie
Back to post #9
How do you manage to install Xfce4? I assume you are having two desktops, one of those offered by the system by default + Xfce4, installed by you... isn't that right?.
@keos Yes. I booted up to the IceWM desktop and opened Package Installer.
Then I went to the Enabled tab and searched for xfce and selected the meta-package.
(I think the one offered under popular was the base install)
Re: It is possible to get only Xfce4 in antiX?
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:06 pm
by kernelkurtz
I'm always looking for different ways to answer the main question here ... xfce4-panel is my idea of a killer app ... and I found this elsewhere in the forum (or a forum):
https://sleeperos.sourceforge.io
The basic functionality is there but I haven't done much with it yet.
Downloading raw Antix and drawing in Xfce via the Package Manager--particularly the no-polkit version--has not brought me a lot of joy, personally and for what little it's worth.
It's not turnkey like the Manyroads version once was. It feels, let's say, untested and pretty unloved.
Which I guess it is. ; )