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A question re revenue

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:44 am
by linexer2016
Dear Developers and others who make MX Linux available,
Firstly, I mean this post to be with the utmost respect and do not want to offend anyone simply by asking the question ....

Is the MX Linux we see essentially a free product or do some/all the developers earn some kind of revenue for their splendid efforts? The following links might also be of some use in understanding my question.
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/linux-fre ... kes-money/
https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-do-li ... -software/

I should hasten to add that I think it entirely reasonable to expect some form of compensation is afforded but as Linux is generally Open Source it fascinates me how such a good product as MX is can be continually delivered if there is no reward beyond an enthusiast's desire to share.

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:55 pm
by Adrian
We are all volunteers, nobody is compensated. We did purchase some hardware for testing, compiling packages, coding, but nobody is here for handouts.
We paid a bounty for systemd-shim when we needed help and donated some funds to Xfce and possible other similar projects that presently escape me.

We use free software that other people put a lot of effort in for free most of them, it would make no sense for us to ask to be paid, all the donations go for domain names, server bandwidth, websites, etc, not salaries.

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:00 pm
by Aronticuz
Polite applause

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:08 pm
by Jerry3904
@Adrian Excellent and accurate response!

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:17 pm
by linexer2016
Well thank you Adrian for (as Jerry said) your excellent and accurate response. Again, I thought carefully before penning my question as I did not want to appear ungrateful in any way for the stellar work you all clearly do. To get your reply then is appreciated and clarifying something that I had long thought (even in passing) about when it comes to Linux generally. As those linked articles suggest, there are probably some in the overall fraternity that do derive some compensation and again, I don't begrudge those people. As far as you MX Developers, all I can say is thank you so very much for your great work in delivering and maintaining a truly excellent distribution.

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:27 pm
by Aronticuz
linexer2016 wrote: Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:17 pm Well thank you Adrian for (as Jerry said) your excellent and accurate response. Again, I thought carefully before penning my question as I did not want to appear ungrateful in any way for the stellar work you all clearly do. To get your reply then is appreciated and clarifying something that I had long thought (even in passing) about when it comes to Linux generally. As those linked articles suggest, there are probably some in the overall fraternity that do derive some compensation and again, I don't begrudge those people. As far as you MX Developers, all I can say is thank you so very much for your great work in delivering and maintaining a truly excellent distribution.
Agreed +1

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:29 pm
by topcat
Hear, hear...

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:17 pm
by Paul..
Thanks,@Adrian ...for keeping it real...

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:18 am
by uncle mark
Adrian wrote: Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:55 pm We are all volunteers, nobody is compensated. We did purchase some hardware for testing, compiling packages, coding, but nobody is here for handouts.
We paid a bounty for systemd-shim when we needed help and donated some funds to Xfce and possible other similar projects that presently escape me.

We use free software that other people put a lot of effort in for free most of them, it would make no sense for us to ask to be paid, all the donations go for domain names, server bandwidth, websites, etc, not salaries.
What about Jerry's boat payment?

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:44 am
by dolphin_oracle
uncle mark wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:18 am
Adrian wrote: Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:55 pm We are all volunteers, nobody is compensated. We did purchase some hardware for testing, compiling packages, coding, but nobody is here for handouts.
We paid a bounty for systemd-shim when we needed help and donated some funds to Xfce and possible other similar projects that presently escape me.

We use free software that other people put a lot of effort in for free most of them, it would make no sense for us to ask to be paid, all the donations go for domain names, server bandwidth, websites, etc, not salaries.
What about Jerry's boat payment?
I thought it sank?!

Seriously though, all funds are held by a not-for-profit corp we set up specifically to manage MX Linux's needs. We are not tax exempt, but the not-for-profit status allows the project to own itself. certain dev team members act as directors.

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:20 am
by Jerry3904
@Adrian @dolphin_oracle What would you think of putting a version of Adrian's response on the website > About us?

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:10 am
by linexer2016
Jerry3904 wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:20 am @Adrian @dolphin_oracle What would you think of putting a version of Adrian's response on the website > About us?
As the OP, I would like to say that this could be a good idea. I fancy the question I raised is something that might well exercise many a mind.

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:27 pm
by Aronticuz
dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:44 am
uncle mark wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:18 am
Adrian wrote: Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:55 pm We are all volunteers, nobody is compensated. We did purchase some hardware for testing, compiling packages, coding, but nobody is here for handouts.
We paid a bounty for systemd-shim when we needed help and donated some funds to Xfce and possible other similar projects that presently escape me.

We use free software that other people put a lot of effort in for free most of them, it would make no sense for us to ask to be paid, all the donations go for domain names, server bandwidth, websites, etc, not salaries.
What about Jerry's boat payment?
I thought it sank?!

Seriously though, all funds are held by a not-for-profit corp we set up specifically to manage MX Linux's needs. We are not tax exempt, but the not-for-profit status allows the project to own itself. certain dev team members act as directors.
Whatever you do - keep on doing it. Linux in general and MX in specific has turned computers and computing into fun again

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:06 pm
by Adrian
Jerry3904 wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:20 am @Adrian @dolphin_oracle What would you think of putting a version of Adrian's response on the website > About us?
I think it could be in the donation sections since people have a right to know how the funds they donate are used.

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:56 pm
by linexer2016
Adrian wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:06 pm
Jerry3904 wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:20 am @Adrian @dolphin_oracle What would you think of putting a version of Adrian's response on the website > About us?
I think it could be in the donation sections since people have a right to know how the funds they donate are used.
Agree with that.

Re: A question re revenue

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:50 pm
by Michael-IDA
dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:44 am
Adrian wrote: Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:55 pm We are all volunteers, nobody is compensated.
all funds are held by a not-for-profit corp we set up specifically to manage MX Linux's needs. We are not tax exempt, but the not-for-profit status allows the project to own itself. certain dev team members act as directors.
I, and anyone else with a business under Sole Proprietor and above, take a substantial tax hit every time we donate funds. The minimum is 45%(ish) and it just goes up from there.

Would there be anyway MX can generate invoices for work performed for those of us in this boat? It can be pretty much for anything, even something as simple as server maintenance, software license, database analysis, package work, ...

Example from my side, e.g. I want to give MX $400 of my earnings.

Donation to MX (using 50% tax load):
I earn $400.
The IRS, FICA, State, etc. take $200.
MX gets $200.

Invoice from MX (the tax load drops to under 10%):
I earn $400.
The IRS, FICA, State, etc. take <$40.
MX gets $360+.

Best,
Michael