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Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 8:58 am**

Hi all! Looking for a nice, lightweight recommendation for a music player! I use VLC for video, but am looking for a nice lightweight music play to listen to my tunes while working away on stuff that uses minimal RAM. My laptop is an HP Stream 13, so it has a hard-soldered 2GB of RAM, which isn't a lot in this day and age.

I usually use Clementine as I love it and use it on my HTPC and my other laptop, but was curious if there was anything else out there that was lighter on resources but still has a media library function :)

Cheers and thanks!

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 9:06 am**

You (and most people) won't believe this but Vlc is the lightest of all I tried (both looking at ram and cpu) when playing music. (even tried MPCHC on Win.) (and tried even the terminal ones). I just use the file manager as the playlist and click one by one :) (old fashioned) .. Yes, there's also a playlist feature in Vic..

Also it has a compressor feature that you can only have with 3rd party applications (which are not that simple and light). That's not only to fix loud parts but also makes bad recordings or low sounds more hear-able , vivid (without distorting). So, listening to music with vlc is really more tasteful to me.. No matter classical music or country :)

Meanwhile my ram is also 2GB DDR2 :)
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But if you necessarily want something like Clementine: Deadbeef or Audacious .. I like Deadbeef but it was skipping sound (a long term known bug) in my case ...

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 9:25 am**

xmms is stupid light.

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 9:27 am**

Was that antiX's default one? (I remember trying them)

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 9:29 am**

FWIW I use DeadBeef (music) and Celluloid (Youtube Video Music).

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 9:34 am**

Huckleberry Finn wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 9:27 am Was that antiX's default one? (I remember trying them)

yes

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 10:27 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 9:25 am xmms is stupid light.

True, but no Media Library function as far as I know (unless I am misremembering?) which, as I mentioned, I would prefer to have! I used it before on an Intel Atom netbook several years ago though...can confirm it's stupid light!

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 10:29 am**

manyroads wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 9:29 am FWIW I use DeadBeef (music) and Celluloid (Youtube Video Music).

Sadly, pretty sure that DeedBeef doesn't have a Media Library function either, which I would like to have :(

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 10:52 am**

How resource heavy is Clementine actually? It may be like the VLC thing that Huck mentioned where you'd assume it's a resource hog because it's so fully featured but may not be..?

It is quite possible for a big and popular fully matured application with a full developer team to have better attention paid to optimization than a tiny single developer app sometimes.. just sayin'

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 11:03 am**

Pragha?

It's pretty light, has music library function, and I find the default sound (on my humble speakers ) good. I've used it in various of my distros for at least 5 years. Not to say I don't use Clementine as well; the latter is just old reliable and I've never had issues with it.

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 2:47 pm**

There's also a fork of Clementine called Strawberry with the library features, though I don't know if it's lighter. We have it in the main MX repos.

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 3:50 pm**

If you don't mind using a CLI instead of a GUI, cmus is extremely lightweight.

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 4:09 pm**

cmus is only very lightweight if you use xterm instead of the xfce terminal.
With xterm around 40mb with xfce terminal around 80mb
Pragha on the other hand is a full featured Gui music player, easy to use and requires only 105-110mb of ram at startup. This is on par with VLC (which can also play video, but I don't think it has a library).
Pragha is a bit "outdated" in MXPI, but since it works, I wouldn't worry about it.
For comparison, because I prefer it to VLC, QMPlay2 is around 200mb.

All values for required RAM taken from the task manager, ahs_64bit. on a 32bit system the ressurcen requirement should be lower)

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Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 5:48 pm**

I was never a library type of guy, so I always went with Audacious until I discovered DeaDBeeF.

Stevo wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 2:47 pm There's also a fork of Clementine called Strawberry with the library features, though I don't know if it's lighter. We have it in the main MX repos.

Never really measured CPU and RAM usage for music players, but I was impressed by how fast DeaDBeeF loaded up, compared to anything else that offered tabbed playlists or similar. Also, Strawberry used to load up way faster than Clementine on my previous system (Pentium Dual Core mobile with Fedora KDE and later LXDE), but that was before 2017.

manyroads wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 9:29 am FWIW I use DeadBeef (music) and Celluloid (Youtube Video Music).

May i suggest mpv with the --no-video flag?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 7:05 am**

asqwerth wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 11:03 am Pragha?

It's pretty light, has music library function, and I find the default sound (on my humble speakers ) good. I've used it in various of my distros for at least 5 years. Not to say I don't use Clementine as well; the latter is just old reliable and I've never had issues with it.

Huh, never heard of Pragha! I'll have to look into it!

I don't have any issues with Clementine, I really like it in fact and use it on my HTPC and my 'daily driver' laptop with 12GB of RAM....just wondering if I should replace it on this, my 'tinkering laptop, as when I'm browsing the net and have several tabs open (I can't have many on 2GB of non-replaceable RAM), Clementine is eating up a fair chunk of that if I am listening to it while doing my thing (seems like it uses about 100-130MB of RAM while playing my MP3s)

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 7:26 am**

Open MX Package Installer, click the Stable Repo tab, type lightweight music player in the Search field. For more information about each one, right-click on each result then click More Info. For even more information about each one, search the web to get screenshots etc.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 7:37 am**

@RallyDarkstrike Slimjet from MXPI Popular Apps tab (as the browser). I promise you, you'll see the difference. And.. shortly: If you don't have such a sound skipping issue (just have a try): DeadBeef .

Edit: Oh, sorry, I forgot you mentioned you wanted "Media Library function" on post #8 ..

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 7:57 am**

mpd dameon and something like cantata for a front end might suffice. but honestly, none of the players are particularly heavy.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 8:08 am**

You might be better off conserving RAM by using Fluxbox instead of a full desktop environment like Xfce and configuring unneeded services to not start at boot. viewtopic.php?p=560215#p560215

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:17 am**

Would Alsaplayer be an acceptable light weight media player in this case use?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:12 am**

Try some commandline music players , they're much lighter than GUI ones.

eg: Type in the terminal:

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 mpg123 /path/to/your/mp3/file

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 ogg123 /path/to/your/ogg/file

mpg123 and ogg123 are preinstalled on MX linux.

Just press Ctrl+C in the terminal window or press Close (X) button -> Close window to close it .

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:44 am**

I think I'm going to stick with Clementine, I'm just so used to it and it works so well...but thanks all for the suggestions, There are a few I wrote down if I ever need to switch it up in the future! :)

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:00 am**

LionelZaylan wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 10:12 am Try some commandline music players , they're much lighter than GUI ones.

eg: Type in the terminal:
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 mpg123 /path/to/your/mp3/file 
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 ogg123 /path/to/your/ogg/file 
mpg123 and ogg123 are preinstalled on MX linux.

Just press Ctrl+C in the terminal window or press Close (X) button -> Close window to close it .

They would be, but I imagine they'd also be a LOT more finicky to use :(

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 12:13 pm**

JayM wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:08 am You might be better off conserving RAM by using Fluxbox instead of a full desktop environment like Xfce and configuring unneeded services to not start at boot. viewtopic.php?p=560215#p560215

I've definitely thought about it, but it seems vastly more finicky to set up. I am considering it though!

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 1:47 pm**

RallyDarkstrike wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 8:58 am Hi all! Looking for a nice, lightweight recommendation for a music player! I use VLC for video, but am looking for a nice lightweight music play to listen to my tunes while working away on stuff that uses minimal RAM. My laptop is an HP Stream 13, so it has a hard-soldered 2GB of RAM, which isn't a lot in this day and age.

I usually use Clementine as I love it and use it on my HTPC and my other laptop, but was curious if there was anything else out there that was lighter on resources but still has a media library function :)

Cheers and thanks!

Hi! went back and really read you first comment on this topic, to find out what computer you are trying to setup a mp3 player on. You have one of the same machines I have for that very purpose! 2GB of ram and no more, is the major limiting factor here. The CPU is an intel with MMX and sse2/sse3 so it works fine for all intended purposes. Flash drive space? You have 3 options, the internal drive for the OS and Apps, and USB2 and sd slot for removable media with songs on them.. About the mp3 player options: MX LINUX is a fine choice of an OS for all intents and purposes, as you can and should, install some choice mp3 apps and window managers and filemanagers, to give you that "sweet spot" setup, on which to testthe best combination. Without going into too much detail here(forum will frown on it), I will say I have successfully accomplished this for that very machine and a few others like it!

Audacious, VLC, and musique which are all on mx repos, is the best options for lightweight media players with library function in a GUI. For the play it and leave it simplicity mpg123 with a cheat sheet of keyboard shortcuts, is the next best thing, as you can literally setup an account on that machine to boot into TWM with an xterm open and a script to play all mp3s in a folder at start up, if you are into that MUZAK system kind of thing like me. If not, then yeah stick to gui options. Again..
2GB of ram is the killer here.. Sadly, with any of these options, you will run out of ram and the system will lock up on you after playing so many files in a day. The lack of a swap space is to blame.. SSD drives, especially the internal one will fail with too many write cycles if you setup a swap on it. But, what I have done to mitigate this is run my OS live with only the apps and WM I want for that one specific purpose "mp3 playback". While this is not a straight forward "just boot and go" solution, ie: you can not run the full MX distro live with that little ram and expect stability and fun, you can customize MX linux and respin it down to the size you want for your machine and purpose. I did mine with a 657MB MX19.3 32bit with only XFCE, VLC,AUDACIOUS, and IMAGE VIEWER, as well as some commandline apps(mpg123,nano). There is alot more details but suffice it to say, it works!

If you ru your os LIVE from an SD card, and access your mp3 files off usb sticks, you will at least keep the internal ssd from wearing out and you do not even need to touch it. When the system locks up due to running out of ram, you simply reboot, and go back to the song in your library where you left off, and play from there until it freezes again..

Sadly, there are no real elegant options for 2GB of ram based systems anymore, outside of Live Linux OS with as basic of a system as possible(Just enough OS for KODI or Audacious or VLC), and as such, you WILL run out of ram. I tried slitaz and puppy linux and even geexbox which works as good as MX Linux, but they all lock up after so many files played with only the 2GB ram and no way to safely add a swapspace..

These are your trade offs with the hardware you have. Indeed using a better system is your best and most expedient option..

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:15 pm**

DeadBeef does have a "library" function. It simply displays the folder structure using the 'file browser' plugin. You have to download the plugin and extract it to the "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/deadbeef folder. The trick with getting it to look and act like you like is to use 'View', "design mode' and then get familiar with the "Splitter" function. Splitter simply creates separated spaces which you then assign whatever you like, incl the file browser, cover art, etc..
https://postimg.cc/G4xL3jzF
I just started using it again just recently. Now that I'm solidly on linux it is THE player as far as I'm concerned.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 12:21 am**

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Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 2:24 am**

OK. I had a thumb at first but thought it too difficult to see the actual file browser, as it were.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 2:45 am**

RallyDarkstrike wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 8:58 am
I usually use Clementine as I love it and use it on my HTPC and my other laptop, but was curious if there was anything else out there that was lighter on resources but still has a media library function :)

Cheers and thanks!

Then you might like Pragha.
Similar functionality, a bit lighter (105mb ram) than Clementine (125mb) according to Taskmanager.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 12:11 pm**

If you want some super light options, this reddit thread discusses a few. I find that ranger without anything fancy added actually works quote well. Not too pretty but if it's lightweight you want.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions ... s_a_music/

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:34 pm**

I've played around with a bunch of music players. I ended up using VLC for some years, then switched to Audacious. Now mostly using DeaDBeeF. All on machines that have only 2 GB RAM (I still have 3 of them). I don't recall having any problems with any of the music players I've tried on those machines. But really, just install one and try it out. Not that big of a deal to switch to something else if you don't like what you're seeing.

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2021 1:05 pm**

Audacious is very good on memory. I use it on all my low powered systems. It does support "Libraries" through the file system. If you want more of a manager like Clementine than I would suggest Cantata.

Here is a thread from a couple of years ago on this subject:
viewtopic.php?f=108&t=49355&hilit=music+player

You should consider using memory better in general. If you want to stay with a memory hungry browser you will have fewer choices. But if you learn to use browser settings that use your memory better you can achieve better results. You can tweak your settings or use different browsers that use less memory. Many have the same features as FF or Chrome or use the same plugins.

If you try Fluxbox you'll be ahead of the game as far as initial memory use. Then you can tweak from there to get even less memory in use and then launch your browser and music player. I do this all the time on equipment much more limited than your's. Two core and 2GB of RAM is more than enough if you set it up right. I use Audacious or Cantata and SeaMonkey or Otter on old P-III systems with 512MB or less. On your equipment I would use MX Fluxbox and Slimjet or Chromium with Audacious.

Seaken64

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:15 am**

What about writing one ourselves ?
We can use mpg123 , ogg123 etc., as backends and just develop the interface.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:05 am**

Qmplay2 - you can think of it as a "lighter VLC" with an easy internet radio browser.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:11 am**

That was maybe once with QMPlay2 "easier than VLC."
My primary player is Pragha, which of course only plays music and no videos, Ram requirement around 100 mb.
VLC with the same playlist around 130mb and qmplay2 around 160mb.
It's even easier with cmus in xterm (around 50mb), cmus in xfce4-terminal is already around 80mb, the difference to Pragha would be too small for me to do without a nice GUI ;-}

Whereby the values fluctuate quite a bit >+/-10% with VLC and QMPlay2, depending on what is being played (mainly videos).

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Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:23 am**

LionelZaylan wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:15 am What about writing one ourselves ?
We can use mpg123 , ogg123 etc., as backends and just develop the interface.

Is there really the need for another media player though?

As for QMPlay2, installation from the stable repos gives this error message:

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qmplay2 : Depends: libva-glx2 (>= 1.0.3) but it is not going to be installed

Which in turn won't be installed because:

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libva-glx2 : Depends: libva2 (< 2.4.0.1) but 2.6.1-1mx19+1 is to be installed

An AppImage can be found here, but this probably beats the "lightweight" criterion. I'm giving a go on most players suggested here, and QMPlay2 seemed promising.

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Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:36 am**

@radonrose in your case you have libva packages from the MX test repo, and you would first need to install libva-glx2 from there

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:08 am**

seaken64 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:05 pm Audacious is very good on memory. I use it on all my low powered systems. It does support "Libraries" through the file system. If you want more of a manager like Clementine than I would suggest Cantata.
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Audacious memory consumption (private+shared RAM) comes to a little under 30 Mb only

Posted: **Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:43 pm**

Another vote for Audacious. As others have stated it's quite lightweight and I particularly like the Winamp interface option as that was my preferred player while on that other OS.

In one way it performs better than Clementine. There's one mp3 which plays normally on Audacious but when Clementine encounters it an error message is displayed and it skips to the next track. It's just this one mp3, all others it plays no probs. The only way this track differs from the rest is that it was ripped from a video using VLC, though I'm not sure if that's the cause. There's probably an easy fix with a wave editor but I just haven't got around to trying that yet.

However, Clementine is still rather appealing and I continue to use it, just not as much. I like the (default) option to fade out when you stop before the end of a song, easier on the ears than an abrupt halt. If Audacious had that then it would be near perfect.

Posted: **Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm**

I will concur that Audacious is the best choice for a light weight multi format MUSIC player with built in library and playlist functions that blends in perfectly with the OS, and the GUI interface. It works great on your Netbook. I respun my MX 19.3 32bit to only have Audacious as the only media player for a HP T5740 thin client machine that ONLY uses flash disk as the main hard drive BUT that device can accept a regular laptop HDD with an add on and it can also accept 4GB ram which is more than enough for a 32bit OS. But my HP netbook that is like yours, has that 32GB built in flash disk and built in 2GB ram. Without a swap space, the OS will run out of ram after playing so many files.. So the lighter the GUI and apps that run concurrently are, the better off you are. Finding the lightest MP3 player is all well and good and mpg123 with a script is as light as you can get, but the hardware limitation of the NETBOOK, is the main hurdle. In the end, you will also run into issues with the built in BATTERY too. Like with modern Apple Macbooks and ipads, this too will be limiting factor. But for the mean time as a fin project for listening to music while you work, it will do fine with MX 19.3 and audacious in fluxbox as is suggested here. I am just throwing that warning for later issues with the hardware, not the software..

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