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Hi, apologies for the public indecision...

To avoid further confusion:

"AV Linux" is MX+Enlightenment with a Liquorix kernel, extra system tweaks and custom utilities and a large selection of Audio and Video production applications and Plugins.
"MX Moksha" is MX+Bodhi Linux/Moksha with a Liquorix Kernel, extra system tweaks and custom utilities WITH NO Audio and Video production applications or Plugins... it is currently a base 'proof-of-concept' research project.

Having had a better look at the current precarious state of things with Debian Trixie as it pertains to Moksha and the MX build system and since I have a more or less 'finished product' I've decided just put MX-Moksha 23.6 up as-is. With the great backporting from MX and the constant updates to Moksha by the Bodhi Linux team this ISO is somewhat less exposed the the aging that normally would occur with a project released this late in a Debian Stable cycle so I think it should be a viable and useful release for a reasonably long time, at least easily until Trixie and MX-25 are released and the dust has settled on any new bugs..



CHANGELOG:

- Fix incorrect lsb-release formatting.
- New font and improved MX Moksha artwork.
- Better organized theme packages for both Moksha Green and optional Zenithal.
- New GRUB theme
- Added 'E-Modulus' Conky with it's own Editor (conky is set to not run by default, add it to system startup if you want it to use it)

DOWNLOAD:
https://downloads.bandshed.net/MX-MOKSHA/

Enjoy! Work will now commence on moving AV Linux and MX Moksha to Trixie when time allows..

FIRST!... lol... downloading now... what timing!

Thank you! Downloading....

Downloading...
Congratulations for the decision , I think it's completely right, possibly MX-25 has a long way to go until Debian Trixie is stable enough...
And it would be a pity that all your work would be so many months without seeing the light.

Best regards and good luck

thanks for your efforts will give it a spin.

Downloaded trying live so far looks very good.

hope I didn't jinx it...yeah, I didn't since AVL moksha stable release isn't bad luck...

thanks for this @AVLinux , you will be very comfortable, pertaining time, when releasing AVL mxe and AVL moksha on trixie

@AVLinux precarious state of things? Could you explain? Well, I highly believe your decision to make this release was commendable since linux has seasonal upheavals when releasing major distro versions, so this release would give us a protection from the linux cycle storms and also if there are any bugs, it would be based on a final release not a RC release...

and I don't know if this is a bug or it is just how enlightenment/moksha works, is it now possible to use any picture from any folder as wallpaper?

Aceediq wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 3:24 pm @AVLinux precarious state of things? Could you explain? Well, I highly believe your decision to make this release was commendable since linux has seasonal upheavals when releasing major distro versions, so this release would give us a protection from the linux cycle storms and also if there are any bugs, it would be based on a final release not a RC release...

and I don't know if this is a bug or it is just how enlightenment/moksha works, is it now possible to use any picture from any folder as wallpaper?

"Precarious" meaning I can't just run a build script and get a fully functioning ISO on Trixie because Debian, MX and Moksha are all in a rapid state of change and there are numerous missing pieces right now.

As far as wallpaper it is not a bug, Enlightenment/Moksha have to convert any images you want to use as backgrounds to their own native 'edj' format. So you use Menu-->Settings-->Wallpaper

Then click the 'Picture" button and find the image file you want and click 'Use' to convert it to an edj file.

What is the password for activating GUFW ?

txm0523 wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 5:34 pm What is the password for activating GUFW ?

On a live session it would be 'demo', on an install whatever you put as your User password and what you would normally use for any sudo permission elevations.

AVLinux wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 1:06 pm

Aceediq wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 3:24 pm @AVLinux precarious state of things? Could you explain? Well, I highly believe your decision to make this release was commendable since linux has seasonal upheavals when releasing major distro versions, so this release would give us a protection from the linux cycle storms and also if there are any bugs, it would be based on a final release not a RC release...

and I don't know if this is a bug or it is just how enlightenment/moksha works, is it now possible to use any picture from any folder as wallpaper?

"Precarious" meaning I can't just run a build script and get a fully functioning ISO on Trixie because Debian, MX and Moksha are all in a rapid state of change and there are numerous missing pieces right now.

As far as wallpaper it is not a bug, Enlightenment/Moksha have to convert any images you want to use as backgrounds to their own native 'edj' format. So you use Menu-->Settings-->Wallpaper

Then click the 'Picture" button and find the image file you want and click 'Use' to convert it to an edj file.

edj format? there are so many sorts and variations of walled gardens in linux despite it being championed as 'open source' ...why can't one have a decent sized vanilla flavoured cake instead of cupcakes of different flavours?


also, I just came across a frustrating issue in moksha, you can't scale diagonally using the top left corner, it seems you can only use the bottom right corner

and at this point of using moksha, I am sure it is a bug on enelightenment, when you want to connect to a wifi and the password dialog box pops up, once you start typing, if you do anything else such as toggling the show password checkbox, you can't complete or make corrections to the wifi password...

Aceediq wrote: Mon May 19, 2025 5:59 am edj format? there are so many sorts and variations of walled gardens in linux despite it being championed as 'open source' ...why can't one have a decent sized vanilla flavoured cake instead of cupcakes of different flavours?

Haha, yes exactly! This is what happens when there is nobody herding the cats... Open source, open ideas, freedom to make choices both good and bad and these type of things are the messy and glorious result...

AVLinux wrote: Mon May 19, 2025 12:49 pm

Aceediq wrote: Mon May 19, 2025 5:59 am edj format? there are so many sorts and variations of walled gardens in linux despite it being championed as 'open source' ...why can't one have a decent sized vanilla flavoured cake instead of cupcakes of different flavours?

Haha, yes exactly! This is what happens when there is nobody herding the cats... Open source, open ideas, freedom to make choices both good and bad and these type of things are the messy and glorious result...

:facepalm: let me just rant make a comment, not directed at you though


open, open, open good and bad huh? messy and glorious just like eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, I don't think having the choice and most importantly the ability to be a detriment or cause a regression is something to be proud about...I believe it all becomes ashes if there is no redemption

@Aceediq

I hear and understand you are frustrated that nothing is suited to your specific needs, I have felt the same many times and you are right, this gives birth to more Distros and more fragmentation but that is the 'two-edged sword' of free choice. I simply make my projects to suit my somewhat specialized needs and once they are working well I share them in the hope that perhaps others have similar needs and that they can benefit from the work. However, I do not make things to order or by request and I am extremely limited in what I can even fix or improve so anything posted here by me is 'use at your own risk' and as an example if you have concerns about Moksha then talk to the Moksha developers on their Discord channel, they are extremely friendly and accommodating:

https://www.bodhilinux.com/#

In the future here and elsewhere it would probably be more useful to both yourself and other readers to separate functionality issue reports from opinions and rants. There is an active chat section in the forum better suited to those sorts of topics.

For the record it appears that Moksha upper left corners are indeed horizontal only, however upper right corners do increase window size diagonally.

AVLinux wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 10:09 am @Aceediq

I hear and understand you are frustrated that nothing is suited to your specific needs, I have felt the same many times and you are right, this gives birth to more Distros and more fragmentation but that is the 'two-edged sword' of free choice. I simply make my projects to suit my somewhat specialized needs and once they are working well I share them in the hope that perhaps others have similar needs and that they can benefit from the work. However, I do not make things to order or by request and I am extremely limited in what I can even fix or improve so anything posted here by me is 'use at your own risk' and as an example if you have concerns about Moksha then talk to the Moksha developers on their Discord channel, they are extremely friendly and accommodating:

https://www.bodhilinux.com/#

In the future here and elsewhere it would probably be more useful to both yourself and other readers to separate functionality issue reports from opinions and rants. There is an active chat section in the forum better suited to those sorts of topics.

For the record it appears that Moksha upper left corners are indeed horizontal only, however upper right corners do increase window size diagonally.

I know, I know...that you indulge me most time is a good trait though, you didn't allow the disdain and irritation that comes with most linux devs to taint you...mx devs are very accomodating though, far better than antix despite being relatives

also what I am not okay with is not things being bespoke to me, it is that there is not enough lego blocks provided creating a lock in or nerfing of some sorts while still flying the 'open' banner...that's borderline deception

yeah, I am on avlinux because of your approach, you don't try to enforce any lock in of yours, you provided the .deb softwares with some of your tweaks, made your custom thunar actions almost, if not totally DE agnostic, you welcome changes and decisions that influences your line of action, that should be the linux spirit, what else would I want, even when you provided cinlerragg, you gave your thoughtful reasons, while also providing kdenlive

as for the window resizing, big thanks, I was wondering when you would say something about that...but shouldn't all this quirky but kinda infuriating traits be stated as part of the feature of a product in linux...at least let us be well informed of what is presented

sincerely if I knew of this quirky feature and that palette nerfing I wouldn't try out moksha even though it trumps enlightenment in more ways than enlightenment trumps moksha...

but now that I know of moksha's advantages, I am staying on moksha till further notice

and if I may ask what handles rendering on moksha picom or compton mod?

ps: I am not frustrated, I didn't come to linux after being evangelized or brainwashed after watching a youtube video or being peer influenced, worked with other msoft users for about 3years in an NGO without issues...over 4 years going and I have only met about 2 or 3 people using linux as their OS, maybe only 1 out of those 2 or 3 doesn't dualboot with windows...I have come across about 2 distros that hibernates properly without further tinkering from me, I hibernate far more than I shutdown, the nerds/purists can keep the statistics that advice against that on their walls...I currently use a 5th gen laptop that 75% of the time, and I am being very generous, doesn't boot past the mx logo without tripping off and goes on that cycle for a while till when it boots completely, previously on moksha RC2, it did that for about 5 or 6 cycles before booting completely but after installing moksha 23.6, it got so bad that even yesterday it did that continuously for close to an hour before I put it to rest, I have checked RAM and what have you, still no improvement...

so I really need hibernation more than I have needed it before but when I think of rebooting after tinkering with UUID, I settle with suspending for now...

so when you talked about me being frustrated, it felt off

Hmmm, I never use Suspend or Hibernate and I never test them, they have been broken on Linux kernels uncountable times so I avoid it completely. RC2 and 23.6 use the same kernel and are 99% alike there is no reason for them to behave differently in that regard

As far as compositing, although the module is called 'ComptonMod' it now uses picom and picom and picom conf are included on the ISO, all you need to do for compositing is turn on the ComptonMod module..

So Menu-->Settings-->Modules--->"Look" tab--->ComptonMod, then load that module

AVLinux wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 2:11 pm Hmmm, I never use Suspend or Hibernate and I never test them, they have been broken on Linux kernels uncountable times so I avoid it completely. RC2 and 23.6 use the same kernel and are 99% alike there is no reason for them to behave differently in that regard

As far as compositing, although the module is called 'ComptonMod' it now uses picom and picom and picom conf are included on the ISO, all you need to do for compositing is turn on the ComptonMod module..

So Menu-->Settings-->Modules--->"Look" tab--->ComptonMod, then load that module

do you experience split second lags or delays on moksha...it seems like moksha is slower than avl mxe on my end...a tad bit

Not that I've noticed, however I like fairly slow fades with compositing. Picom could behave differently than Enlightenment's native compositor on a given system.

i chose wallpaper MokshaZenithal.
Catch Orphan Xload monitor mXgreen
sneaks in around conky when this command is Run on MXeMoksha

txm0523 wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 5:34 pm What is the password for activating GUFW ?

Your own password?

@Aceediq and others reading..

@the_waiter has fixed the window issue with resizing from the upper left corner, there should be an update coming soon to the Moksha Green theme in the Bodhi repos contained in MX Moksha.

Many thanks for the quick fix!

AVLinux wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 6:03 pm

txm0523 wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 5:34 pm What is the password for activating GUFW ?

On a live session it would be 'demo', on an install whatever you put as your User password and what you would normally use for any sudo permission elevations.

"demo" isn't working for me.

mgold1 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 3:09 pm

AVLinux wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 6:03 pm

txm0523 wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 5:34 pm What is the password for activating GUFW ?

On a live session it would be 'demo', on an install whatever you put as your User password and what you would normally use for any sudo permission elevations.

"demo" isn't working for me.

Hi,

I'm sorry, I can't reproduce this, are you using a non-English keyboard? 'demo' works for me with US keyboard. In Moksha the keyboard is set by the keyboard layout applet on the Panel.

MokshaGreen repacked and uploaded to repo. Try left top corner now @Aceediq

mgold1 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 3:09 pm

AVLinux wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 6:03 pm

txm0523 wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 5:34 pm What is the password for activating GUFW ?

On a live session it would be 'demo', on an install whatever you put as your User password and what you would normally use for any sudo permission elevations.

"demo" isn't working for me.

There in no password in live session, just press Enter.

the_waiter wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 9:07 am

mgold1 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 3:09 pm

AVLinux wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 6:03 pm

On a live session it would be 'demo', on an install whatever you put as your User password and what you would normally use for any sudo permission elevations.

"demo" isn't working for me.

There in no password in live session, just press Enter.

There is a password for GUFW (the firewall application) because it requires elevation of permissions, in the Live session the default sudo password is 'demo'. For me here 'demo' is working on the default Live session.

AVLinux wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 6:02 pm

mgold1 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 3:09 pm

AVLinux wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 6:03 pm

On a live session it would be 'demo', on an install whatever you put as your User password and what you would normally use for any sudo permission elevations.

"demo" isn't working for me.

Hi,

I'm sorry, I can't reproduce this, are you using a non-English keyboard? 'demo' works for me with US keyboard. In Moksha the keyboard is set by the keyboard layout applet on the Panel.

I don't recall what I did, but I was able to log in and do an install. I put in my own password during the install and it's working.

Good news, thanks for the update!

hi. i have been running with the RC2 for a bit now, and ive got to say that im impressed. i used mint for a decade, then i tried ubuntu studio for a couple years. then i fully switched to using av about a year or so ago. this is a great middle ground OS that offers mostly out-of-box usability without all of the fluff. for me, your moksha build feels like the first time i havent had to spend a few hours with a new install just removing all the crap i dont need/use. thank you for continuing to develop this very lean system. i look forward to giving 23.6 a go. i will crawl back into the forest in which i dwell now. thanks.

null wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 3:58 pm hi. i have been running with the RC2 for a bit now, and ive got to say that im impressed. i used mint for a decade, then i tried ubuntu studio for a couple years. then i fully switched to using av about a year or so ago. this is a great middle ground OS that offers mostly out-of-box usability without all of the fluff. for me, your moksha build feels like the first time i havent had to spend a few hours with a new install just removing all the crap i dont need/use. thank you for continuing to develop this very lean system. i look forward to giving 23.6 a go. i will crawl back into the forest in which i dwell now. thanks.

Thanks, that's nice to hear!

mgold1 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 1:18 pmI don't recall what I did, but I was able to log in and do an install. I put in my own password during the install and it's working.

maybe you forced a new password from grub menu > advanced options... I do this sometimes and forget I've done it... derp!

This probably isn't the place to ask, but I'm just curious if an AVL/Moksha users also use the "User Installed Packages" tool... if so, my question is, do you know if the list created is software version agnostic, and you can use the list created on any future versions of MX linux, as long as there is a version in the repo that has been updated to work with the current version of MX? I'm sorry if this is a confusing question... just curious... seems very helpful for moving from one major release to the next major release...

blast0id wrote: Thu May 29, 2025 8:10 pm This probably isn't the place to ask, but I'm just curious if an AVL/Moksha users also use the "User Installed Packages" tool... if so, my question is, do you know if the list created is software version agnostic, and you can use the list created on any future versions of MX linux, as long as there is a version in the repo that has been updated to work with the current version of MX? I'm sorry if this is a confusing question... just curious... seems very helpful for moving from one major release to the next major release...

Hi,

Although I'm aware of the tool I don't know it in depth. If it uses Package names without the specific version information then it will definitely be helpful for what you ask...BUT... When you move to a new Debian platform some Package names will change and some packages with be obsoleted or renamed. As an example some names are suffixed with a number so if Debian Bookworm has 'libfunnyface2' and the next Debian moves to 'libfunnyface3' then the User Installed app will likely miss that. Another thing that often happens is a name change or a individual program gets merged into another project, this happened in Debian Trixie with 'samplerate-programs' which is used in AV Linux utilities, it is now part of libsndfile and is called 'sndfile-tools', that would also get missed. The User Installed Packages script is primarily useful for working within the same Distro Release Version going from one machine to another, it gets complicated jumping from an older version to a new platform version.

Most of the tedium in preparing a new Distro release is figuring out the details of package versioning and renaming and updating your build system to accommodate all those new changes..

AVLinux wrote: Fri May 30, 2025 12:08 pmThe User Installed Packages script is primarily useful for working within the same Distro Release Version going from one machine to another, it gets complicated jumping from an older version to a new platform version.

As always thank you for your time & consideration... finally got your mx moksha installed, had zero of the issues I had with enlightenment when trying to bring over live environment changes after install... also feels noticeably snappier! would love for this to become an AVL base release, if not a full AVL release! I hope I'm one of many monthly donars, because this is certainly a worthy cause, even if only covering a 6pack or so

_blast0id

AVLinux wrote: Fri May 30, 2025 12:08 pm .... The User Installed Packages script is primarily useful for working within the same Distro Release Version going from one machine to another, it gets complicated jumping from an older version to a new platform version....

It's still a pretty good starting point when you move to a new release/version. And for most run of the mill applications, the likelihood of packages being renamed is less, IMO.

Although, UIP probably won't be as helpful for your AV-focused releases with so many proprietary plugins and apps that don't originate from any repos.


BTW, I downloaded your iso to test live and then installed it. It looks awesome, but I have to admit I'm really not familiar with Enlightenment/Moksha, and it's been overlooked in the midst of working on MX25. I think I only booted into it once after installation.

blast0id wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:11 am

AVLinux wrote: Fri May 30, 2025 12:08 pmThe User Installed Packages script is primarily useful for working within the same Distro Release Version going from one machine to another, it gets complicated jumping from an older version to a new platform version.

As always thank you for your time & consideration... finally got your mx moksha installed, had zero of the issues I had with enlightenment when trying to bring over live environment changes after install... also feels noticeably snappier! would love for this to become an AVL base release, if not a full AVL release! I hope I'm one of many monthly donars, because this is certainly a worthy cause, even if only covering a 6pack or so

_blast0id

Thanks I'm glad to hear that! Unfortunately folks like you are quite rare and as a result quite precious, thanks very much! I have a LOT of work to do on AVL 25 but my current plan is to continue with the 'Greatest Hits' type of concept on Enlightenment and something similar with MX Moksha so you will have a choice of either or both..

@asqwerth

Yes, you are correct, another wrinkle is all of the AVL custom packaging is not handled at all by the UIP application.

AVLinux wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:13 am...snip... Unfortunately folks like you are quite rare and as a result quite precious, thanks very much! ...snip...

well that's a bit disheartening... I'm glad you're doing it for you then at least... got moksha up and running, and so far I think I can live with the green, it's nice. was a much upgraded experience from my first MXe experience... it feel so much more polished than the enlightenment version... the attention to detail by moksha's devs is quite refreshing... I still have some deep learning when it comes to this DE, but I think I will stick with the moksha flavor in the future, for sure. Thanks for your service!

w00t w00t!