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Re: Browser slow cold start
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:50 pm
by j2mcgreg
Your HDD is eleven years old and well past it's replace by date. Even when it was new it was rated slow. See here:
https://hdd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest ... 5050B9A300
You should replace it with an SSD.
As to Vivaldi's slow start, parts of it could be written on areas of the HDD that have already deteriorated.
Re: Browser slow cold start
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:32 pm
by CharlesV
There is something up with either you rig or your config.
Vivaldi on my dell tester is 4 seconds cold start, after a reboot.
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System:
Kernel: 6.6.11-1-liquorix-amd64 [6.6-15~mx23ahs] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: audit=0
intel_pstate=disable rcupdate.rcu_expedited=1 BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.6.11-1-liquorix-amd64
root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash
Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm v: 4.18.0 vt: 7
dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0 Distro: MX-23.3_x64 Libretto July 31 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12
(bookworm)
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Inspiron 5579 v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Chassis:
type: 10 serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Dell model: 0T9FN2 v: A00 serial: <superuser required> UEFI-[Legacy]: Dell v: 1.19.0
date: 12/15/2021
Battery:
ID-1: BAT0 charge: 1.1 Wh (6.0%) condition: 18.3/42.0 Wh (43.5%) volts: 12.4 min: 11.4
model: SMP DELL Y3F7Y6B type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: charging
Device-1: hid-0003:04F3:236E.0006-battery model: ELAN Touchscreen serial: N/A charge: N/A
status: N/A
CPU:
Info: model: Intel Core i5-8250U bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Coffee Lake gen: core 8 level: v3
note: check built: 2017 process: Intel 14nm family: 6 model-id: 0x8E (142) stepping: 0xA (10)
microcode: 0xF4
Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 4 tpc: 2 threads: 8 smt: enabled cache: L1: 256 KiB
desc: d-4x32 KiB; i-4x32 KiB L2: 1024 KiB desc: 4x256 KiB L3: 6 MiB desc: 1x6 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 650 high: 800 min/max: 400/1801 boost: enabled scaling: driver: acpi-cpufreq
governor: ondemand cores: 1: 800 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800 5: 400 6: 800 7: 400 8: 400 bogomips: 28800
Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Vulnerabilities:
Type: gather_data_sampling mitigation: Microcode
Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT vulnerable
Type: mds mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
Type: mmio_stale_data mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
Type: retbleed mitigation: IBRS
Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: IBRS, IBPB: conditional, STIBP: conditional, RSB filling,
PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
Type: srbds mitigation: Microcode
Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel UHD Graphics 620 vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9.5
process: Intel 14nm built: 2016-20 ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0
chip-ID: 8086:5917 class-ID: 0300
Device-2: Realtek Integrated_Webcam_HD type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 1-5:2
chip-ID: 0bda:5696 class-ID: 0e02 serial: <filter>
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver: X:
loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.00x11.22") s-diag: 582mm (22.93")
Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: BOE Display 0x06b4 built: 2016 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 142
gamma: 1.2 size: 344x194mm (13.54x7.64") diag: 395mm (15.5") ratio: 16:9 modes: 1920x1080
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 23.1.2-1~mx23ahs renderer: Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 620 (KBL GT2)
direct-render: Yes
Audio:
Device-1: Intel Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
alternate: snd_soc_skl, snd_soc_avs, snd_sof_pci_intel_skl bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:9d71
class-ID: 0403
API: ALSA v: k6.6.11-1-liquorix-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.0 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Dell
driver: ath10k_pci v: kernel modules: wl pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 01:00.0
chip-ID: 168c:003e class-ID: 0280 temp: 47.0 C
IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-7:3 chip-ID: 0cf3:e007
class-ID: e001
Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 2.1 lmp-v: 4.2
sub-v: 25a hci-v: 4.2
Info: acl-mtu: 1024:8 sco-mtu: 50:8 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff
link-mode: peripheral accept service-classes: rendering, capturing, object transfer, audio,
telephony
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 47.37 GiB (19.9%)
SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: SanDisk model: SD7TB6S256G1001 size: 238.47 GiB block-size:
physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 1201 scheme: MBR
Partition:
ID-1: / raw-size: 198.89 GiB size: 194.71 GiB (97.90%) used: 47.37 GiB (24.3%) fs: ext4
dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1
Swap:
Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 3 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 file: /swap/swap
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 53.0 C pch: 51.0 C mobo: 51.0 C sodimm: SODIMM C
Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0
Repos:
Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2324 libs: 1104 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala,synaptic pm: rpm
pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
1: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
2: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ bookworm ahs
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vivaldi.list
1: deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.vivaldi.com/stable/deb/ stable main
Info:
Processes: 340 Uptime: 1m wakeups: 1077 Memory: 7.36 GiB used: 1.17 GiB (15.9%) Init: SysVinit
v: 3.06 runlevel: 5 default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12
Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)
Re: Browser slow cold start
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:32 am
by n8ive999
@CharlesV , if the problem is with my hardware, then all browsers would/should be equally affected, not so?
Yet, Brave is not affected, it opens in about 5s.
When I was running MX 21, I thought I must have screwed up something, so last week I completely reinstalled MX23, did a fresh install of Vivaldi, no profiles, no addons.
Same result.
I tested in a VM of LinuxMint.
Both browsers open in the same time. (35s - but VMs are generally slower anyway)
So, if Brave opens in 5s on native system, I would expect similar times for Vivaldi.
Other users who report this problem have been on Debian12. So it seems Debian is the common factor.
Re: Browser slow cold start
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:52 am
by j2mcgreg
@n8ive999 wrote:
if the problem is with my hardware, then all browsers would/should be equally affected, not so?
Yet, Brave is not affected, it opens in about 5s.
You are the only one reporting this issue. If there was a problem with Vivaldi in general, other users would be chiming in to report it. That they are not and because none of us can duplicate your problem, makes this unique to your rig.
Re: Browser slow cold start
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:58 am
by siamhie
Is there a difference with version 6.8.3381.46-1?
Re: Browser slow cold start
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:07 am
by siamhie
n8ive999 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:32 am
Yet, Brave is not affected, it opens in about 5s.
Brave is not Vivaldi. Stop the comparison.
Re: Browser slow cold start
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:37 am
by j2mcgreg
siamhie wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:07 am
n8ive999 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:32 am
Yet, Brave is not affected, it opens in about 5s.
Brave is not Vivaldi. Stop the comparison.
+1
Re: Browser slow cold start
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:26 am
by CharlesV
n8ive999 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:32 am
@CharlesV , if the problem is with my hardware, then all browsers would/should be equally affected, not so?
Yet, Brave is not affected, it opens in about 5s.
When I was running MX 21, I thought I must have screwed up something, so last week I completely reinstalled MX23, did a fresh install of Vivaldi, no profiles, no addons.
Same result.
I tested in a VM of LinuxMint.
Both browsers open in the same time. (35s - but VMs are generally slower anyway)
So, if Brave opens in 5s on native system, I would expect similar times for Vivaldi.
Other users who report this problem have been on Debian12. So it seems Debian is the common factor.
I disagree with the "it cannot be my hardware if other ..." .. it is VERY possible that you could be having an issue with your hard drive and it is affecting the cache or other area that vivaldi sits upon.
How old IS that hard drive ?
Also, and possibly more to the point, is that this could be something in the vivaldi config, cache or something entirely different. The error you posted seems to point to something with the video or a driver.
is Hardware acceleration ON?
Have you tried cleaning the system cache?
personally run stacer and I clear EVERYTHING other than trash, no longer than every two weeks (many times twice a week! While this may seem extreme, it keeps my machine running optimally ( imo )
Have you tried saving your extensions, bookmarks etc etc, then purging vivaldi ?
( then restart and then reload ONLY vivaldi to test - adding in extensions next, test and then finally bookmarks etc. )
IN four systems I have access too, vivaldi runs nearly 3 seconds on first startup, but my machines are ssd and very fast. My testers are not as fast and even those open vivaldi VERY quickly. That, along with nobody else complaining about this here ... I firmly do not believe that it is an 'mx' thing . (nor debian actually.) .. Your system is throwing an error..
Re: Browser slow cold start
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:54 am
by j2mcgreg
@CharlesV wrote:
How old IS that hard drive ?
The benchmark I linked to in post #11 shows that it hit retail in late summer 2013.
Re: Browser slow cold start
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:57 am
by CharlesV
j2mcgreg wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:54 am
@CharlesV wrote:
How old IS that hard drive ?
The benchmark I linked to in post #11 shows that it hit retail in late summer 2013.
Oooya .. replace :-)