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Browser slow cold start

#1 Post by n8ive999 »

I have been experiencing a strange situation on MX with a particular web browser.

Vivaldi (6.7.3329.39 Stable) has a very long cold start, i.e. approximately 60s.
I have started this thread on the Vivaldi forum,

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/98873/s ... oot?page=1

and the discussion seems to point to an issue with combination of MX and Vivaldi configurations, but as yet, everyone seems to be stumped by it.

Can you please shed some light on this?

My setup
Lenovo Thinkpad X201 core i7
MX23

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System:
  Kernel: 6.1.0-21-amd64 [6.1.90-1] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-21-amd64 root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm v: 4.18.0 vt: 7
    dm: LightDM v: 1.26.0 Distro: MX-23_x64 Libretto July 31  2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12
    (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 36807K4 v: ThinkPad X201 serial: <superuser required>
    Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: 36807K4 serial: <superuser required> BIOS: LENOVO v: 6QET70WW (1.40 )
    date: 10/11/2012
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 0.2 Wh (100.0%) condition: 0.2/62.2 Wh (0.3%) volts: 12.4 min: 11.1
    model: LGC 42T4837 type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: not charging
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core i7 M 620 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Westmere gen: core 1 level: v2
    built: 2010-11 process: Intel 32nm family: 6 model-id: 0x25 (37) stepping: 5 microcode: 0x7
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 tpc: 2 threads: 4 smt: enabled cache: L1: 128 KiB
    desc: d-2x32 KiB; i-2x32 KiB L2: 512 KiB desc: 2x256 KiB L3: 4 MiB desc: 1x4 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1229 high: 1268 min/max: 1199/2667 boost: enabled scaling:
    driver: acpi-cpufreq governor: ondemand cores: 1: 1222 2: 1268 3: 1224 4: 1204 bogomips: 21280
  Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT vulnerable
  Type: mds status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT vulnerable
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Unknown: No mitigations
  Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed status: Not affected
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines; IBPB: conditional; IBRS_FW; STIBP: conditional; RSB
    filling; PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected; BHI: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen-5.75 process: Intel 45nm built: 2010 ports: active: LVDS-1,VGA-1 empty: DP-1,HDMI-A-1
    bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0046 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: Lenovo Integrated Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 1-1.6:6
    chip-ID: 17ef:4816 class-ID: 0e02
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver: X: loaded: intel
    dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 2720x900 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 719x238mm (28.31x9.37") s-diag: 757mm (29.82")
  Monitor-1: LVDS-1 mapped: LVDS1 pos: bottom-l model: Lenovo 0x4011 built: 2009 res: 1280x800
    hz: 60 dpi: 125 gamma: 1.2 size: 261x163mm (10.28x6.42") diag: 308mm (12.1") ratio: 16:10
    modes: 1280x800
  Monitor-2: VGA-1 mapped: VGA1 pos: top-right model: VA1912wSERIES serial: <filter> built: 2008
    res: 1440x900 hz: 60 dpi: 89 gamma: 1.2 size: 410x256mm (16.14x10.08") diag: 483mm (19")
    ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1440x900 min: 720x400
  API: OpenGL v: 2.1 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics (ILK) direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Lenovo 5 driver: snd_hda_intel
    v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:3b56 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.1.0-21-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PulseAudio v: 16.1 status: active tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82577LM Gigabit Network vendor: Lenovo driver: e1000e v: kernel port: 1820
    bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:10ea class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel modules: wl pcie: gen: 1
    speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:4239 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Broadcom BCM2045B (BDC-2.1) type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-1.4:9
    chip-ID: 0a5c:217f class-ID: fe01 serial: <filter>
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 4 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 1.2 lmp-v: 2.1
    sub-v: 4203 hci-v: 2.1 rev: 168
  Info: acl-mtu: 1021:8 sco-mtu: 64:1 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff park
    link-mode: peripheral accept service-classes: rendering, capturing, object transfer, audio,
    telephony
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 156.17 GiB (33.5%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Hitachi model: HTS545050B9A300 size: 465.76 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s type: HDD rpm: 5400 serial: <filter> rev: C61H
    scheme: MBR
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 58.59 GiB size: 57.37 GiB (97.92%) used: 12 GiB (20.9%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
    maj-min: 8:2
  ID-2: /home raw-size: 279.55 GiB size: 274.1 GiB (98.05%) used: 45.51 GiB (16.6%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda5 maj-min: 8:5
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 6.84 GiB used: 31.7 MiB (0.5%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/sda3
    maj-min: 8:3
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 49.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (RPM): fan-1: 3265
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2592 libs: 1355 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala,synaptic pm: rpm
    pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/brave-browser-release.list
    1: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/brave-browser-archive-keyring.gpg] https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com/ stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://debian.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://debian.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/freedownloadmanager.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/freedownloadmanager.gpg] https://debrepo.freedownloadmanager.org/ jammy main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb https://ftp.saix.net/pub/linux/distributions/mxlinux/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vivaldi.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.vivaldi.com/stable/deb/ stable main
Info:
  Processes: 273 Uptime: 5h 29m wakeups: 2 Memory: 7.56 GiB used: 4.19 GiB (55.5%) Init: SysVinit
  v: 3.06 runlevel: 5 default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12 Client: shell wrapper
  v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)
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Re: Browser slow cold start

#2 Post by CharlesV »

A few things jump out immediately to me, your QSI shows:

1) Your swap is engage at 31mb at this time?
__ how heavy a load is your machine running at?

2) Your machine is 12 years old, how old is that hard drive?
__ THAT model HD is a 5400rpm, so it is slower then a fast drive.


Run vivaldi from a shell and post the messages please.
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Re: Browser slow cold start

#3 Post by n8ive999 »

Thanks for the reply.

As the thread quoted will show, I run Brave on exactly the same specs, and get different results.
Current swap is irrelevant, as all tests are done just after startup, when RAM is at around 700M (out of 8G). My Swappiness=15.
There are also testimonies from other users (on Debian12) with more modern equipment showing the same results as I.

I'll try to get the shell messages at the next boot.

My current situation is MXlinux with Brave as the default browser; there is no problem with this. My question is why does Vivaldi show this inappropriate behaviour on exactly the same system? Especially when I prefer Vivaldi to Brave.
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#4 Post by siamhie »

n8ive999 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:18 am Brave as the default browser; there is no problem with this. My question is why does Vivaldi show this inappropriate behavior on exactly the same system? Especially when I prefer Vivaldi to Brave.

You're comparing two different browsers. That would be like comparing Waterfox to LibreWolf. Sure, both are Firefox clones but are built differently from source.



How many extensions do you have installed? How many tabs open when you start the browser? Have you tried clearing the cache? Have you tried with a new user profile?
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#5 Post by j2mcgreg »

Vivaldi can a bit of a resource hog and not great at releasing memory after the fact.
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Re: Browser slow cold start

#6 Post by n8ive999 »

@siamhie @j2mcgreg
Read the full quoted thread.
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#7 Post by j2mcgreg »

n8ive999 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:48 am @siamhie @j2mcgreg
Read the full quoted thread.
I did and of all the rigs described, the one whose specs are closest to yours is still seven generations newer and is going to be much faster.
HP 15; ryzen 3 5300U APU; 500 Gb SSD; 8GB ram
HP 17; ryzen 3 3200; 500 GB SSD; 12 GB ram
Idea Center 3; 12 gen i5; 256 GB ssd;

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#8 Post by siamhie »

n8ive999 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:48 am @siamhie @j2mcgreg
Read the full quoted thread.

I did and others in that thread also bought this up.
CharlesV wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:20 am
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Re: Browser slow cold start

#9 Post by n8ive999 »

After reboot, on a cold start of Vivaldi, this is the only output from shell

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vivaldi-stable
libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init failed
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Re: Browser slow cold start

#10 Post by n8ive999 »

j2mcgreg wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:10 pm
n8ive999 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:48 am @siamhie @j2mcgreg
Read the full quoted thread.
I did and of all the rigs described, the one whose specs are closest to yours is still seven generations newer and is going to be much faster.
This does not explain why Brave starts 10 times faster.
And why others have the same issue.
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