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mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:09 am
by drogon69
I've been researching some stuff in mxlinux and i3 for about a month now, but so far not a perfect marriage in some programs and software in mxlinux and i3.
what is it about, well in an archlinux you can open pamac manager without floating or not windows in any i3.
but within mxlinux and i3 a lot of problems have arisen, for example as far as I know and see you can't deliver a distro with snapshot only i3 iso and that is a pity I personally think.
why does this not work for the simple reason whatever you try to program inside the .config it will not work ,
example if you try to open synaptic it won't work neither will floating , you can open it via root in terminal but then can't install nothing , same in many programs within mxtools , some of them don't work because they may need floating , a bit very strange if you ask me because this is not with everything inside mxtools.
suppose you would remove xfce as an example and keep i3 about how are you going to open snapshot now , ah you think via root , yes ok maybe you can make a snapshot like that , but then what , via the software channels of synaptic or inside mxtools you can also don't use the software tool anymore because with floating or without it won't open , in short i3 and mxlinux is not a perfect marriage.
and i have tested different i3 configs within i3 from different distros , rofi works perfectly , but there are a lot of things that just way inside i3 are not compatible with mxlinux
the only good news is that i3 mxlinux runs under 200mb ram for me and that is one of the lowest rams i have ever seen.
i have 2 perfect distro even with polybar , rofi and dmenu all working inside , but to install software its only possible in terminal under any users and thats why some software inside mxlinux and i3 , wil not work perfect , if you know how to fix show me but you can not i have try many things inside .config (one word not working at all)
update
i think i have find away to a working mxlinux i3 , i have test alot of configs so far and distro but maybe , this config wil work , it opens under ubuntu focal , so why the hell wil it not run under mxlinux debian that is very strange , but i let you know or make a video proof ot it this day. so what i do is make 2 virtualbox and network share that i can put the new config on mxlinux from the tester i3 distro of ubuntu focal and mayby sysnaptic wil run

Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:47 am
by dolphin_oracle
drogon69 wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:09 am
I've been researching some stuff in mxlinux and i3 for about a month now, but so far not a perfect marriage in some programs and software in mxlinux and i3.
what is it about, well in an archlinux you can open pamac manager without floating or not windows in any i3.
but within mxlinux and i3 a lot of problems have arisen, for example as far as I know and see you can't deliver a distro with snapshot only i3 iso and that is a pity I personally think.
why does this not work for the simple reason whatever you try to program inside the .config it will not work ,
example if you try to open synaptic it won't work neither will floating , you can open it via root in terminal but then can't install nothing , same in many programs within mxtools , some of them don't work because they may need floating , a bit very strange if you ask me because this is not with everything inside mxtools.
suppose you would remove xfce as an example and keep i3 about how are you going to open snapshot now , ah you think via root , yes ok maybe you can make a snapshot like that , but then what , via the software channels of synaptic or inside mxtools you can also don't use the software tool anymore because with floating or without it won't open , in short i3 and mxlinux is not a perfect marriage.
and i have tested different i3 configs within i3 from different distros , rofi works perfectly , but there are a lot of things that just way inside i3 are not compatible with mxlinux
the only good news is that i3 mxlinux runs under 200mb ram for me and that is one of the lowest rams i have ever seen.
i have 2 perfect distro even with polybar , rofi and dmenu all working inside , but to install software its only possible in terminal under any users and thats why some software inside mxlinux and i3 , wil not work perfect , if you know how to fix show me but you can not i have try many things inside .config (one word not working at all)
update
i think i have find away to a working mxlinux i3 , i have test alot of configs so far and distro but maybe , this config wil work , it opens under ubuntu focal , so why the hell wil it not run under mxlinux debian that is very strange , but i let you know or make a video proof ot it this day. so what i do is make 2 virtualbox and network share that i can put the new config on mxlinux from the tester i3 distro of ubuntu focal and mayby sysnaptic wil run
I think you are missing a policykit authenticator running. many window managers don't run them automatically, unlike the Desktop Environments.
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:29 am
by manyroads
i3 works wonderfully on MX and antiX. No problems at all.
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:36 am
by manyroads
@drogon69 It sounds like you are not exactly comfortable setting up effective i3wm & dwm environments. I provided you links to my dwm posts & tutorials in another thread; here is a link to my i3wm materials. You are free to use them. Perhaps they will help you get through some of your challenges.
https://eirenicon.org/?s=i3wm
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:00 am
by drogon69
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Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:40 am
by anticapitalista
Do what dolphin_oracle suggests instead of repeating the same old noise.
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:42 am
by drogon69
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Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:51 am
by dolphin_oracle
well, none-root level mx tools seem to be ok.
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:55 am
by dolphin_oracle
adding the launch of the polkit authenticator and root level apps appear to be OK. I'm not i3 expert by any means, so I don't know much about all the tiling options but here's mx-boot-options running along side synaptic.
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:56 am
by SwampRabbit
i3 and dwm are not officially supported on MX, not because of lack of caring, but lack of time. so rather than constantly crying "not working" and screaming out into space.... how about being part of the solutions rather than part of the problems?
AVLinux has adapted MX to work with openbox and since MX is based on Debian, I really don't think getting i3 and dwm working would be too hard, especially since people like andyprough and manyroads have had good success.
Edit: ninja'd by dolphin
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:17 am
by manyroads
Because the same things is running in two threads... here is what I posted in the 'other' thread:
viewtopic.php?p=655805#p655805
What I can tell everyone (because there is no way to make a screenshot of it is....) I use all the tools presented in the 5 images. I have no problems with any of them. None work differently from the way they work in xfce.
FWIW:
The screenshots are from my dwm desktop (these functions look the same on i3wm)...

Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:18 am
by nXecure
Dear pseudo-expert.
Add this startup command to i3 config after installing policykit-1-gnome
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exec --no-startup-id /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 &
start your i3 session.
Launch mx-tools and select an item from there.
Enter password
...
Profit
Man, I really can't understand these pseudo-experts. They go "I am a tile window manager genius" but they don't know sh*t about how an operating system works. I NEVER use tiling (I am a stack NOOB), with less linux experience than Dr. pseudo-expert, but it seems I am a genius! I am waiting for those 100 dollars being donated to the MX-antiX project.

Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:26 am
by manyroads
nXecure wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:18 am
Dear pseudo-expert.
Add this startup command to i3 config after installing policykit-1-gnome
Code: Select all
exec --no-startup-id /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 &
start your i3 session.
Launch mx-tools and select an item from there.
Enter password
...
Profit
Man, I really can't understand these pseudo-experts. They go "I am a tile window manager genius" but they don't know sh*t about how an operating system works. I NEVER use tiling (I am a stack NOOB), with less linux experience than Dr. pseudo-expert, but it seems I am a genius! I am waiting for those 100 dollars being donated to the MX-antiX project.
Personally, I prefer to use lxpolkit (and lxsessions) with wms. That's an old recommendation I received from
@dolphin_oracle . Sadly though both lxpolkit & lxsessions are getting dependency heavy in many distros. I still like their rudimental look & feel, though. But I'm old. What do I know.
EDIT: Proof of life photo (scrot):
EDIT EDIT: because I start both i3wm & dwm in the same userspace, I move such polkit commands (on debian) to .xsessionrc the command I use is:
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# Polkit #####################
lxpolkit &
#/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 &
And yes.... I leave the gnome polkit command (from arch, I think

) there as reminder of what I might want to use if lxpolkit runs into an issue or if I move the start file to a different environment.
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:31 am
by nXecure
manyroads wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:26 am
Personally, I prefer to use lxpolkit (and lxsessions) with wms. That's an old recommendation I received from
@dolphin_oracle . Sadly though both lxpolkit & lxsessions are getting dependency heavy in many distros. I still like their rudimental look & feel, though. But I'm old. What do I know.
I understand. WMs are made to be light. I just went with the first polickit recommended to work with everything. I don't use any at all on antiX, so my recommendation isn't the best, and it is better to follow your guidance with this.
Hopefully this will illustrate that there is more than one road (wink) to reach the same outcome, and that is the Linux way (choice).
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:47 am
by oops
nXecure wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:31 am
...
Hopefully this will illustrate that there is more than one road (wink) to reach the same outcome, and that is the Linux way (choice).
... You are right, but for some people the effort to learn a little by oneself seems to be an insurmountable suffering. It's easier and practical to say that it does not work (in a first time). ;-)
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:06 pm
by deanr72
I'll add another for what it's worth.
I directly replaced xfwm in the Xfce version of MX-Linux with awesomewm and have no problems running any of the mx apps. In fact, it all runs beautifully and I'm working up to cloning it onto my desktop as my daily driver.
At log-in, I choose the default Xfce session. I believe installing wms otherwise do indeed require polkit(s) in order to get native apps and synaptic working correctly.
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:19 pm
by drogon69
dolphin_oracle wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:51 am
well, none-root level mx tools seem to be ok.
and how is it opened by sudo synaptic , yes that is the way that you have opened , that proofs nothing , sysnaptic must open without sudo in tilling window manager , you dont fool me
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:25 pm
by manyroads
Mods, please close this thread.
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:25 pm
by Eadwine Rose
Thread has outlived its usefulness, closed.
Re: mxlinux and i3 is not a perfect marriage
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:46 pm
by dolphin_oracle
drogon69 wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:19 pm
dolphin_oracle wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:51 am
well, none-root level mx tools seem to be ok.
and how is it opened by sudo synaptic , yes that is the way that you have opened , that proofs nothing , sysnaptic must open without sudo in tilling window manager , you dont fool me
I don't need to fool you, I know how to operate polkit at least enough to launch apps.
here's a video showing launching a polkit authenticator, along with several apps from the dmenu. there is no audio in the video because I don't have a mic with me.
There is a lot more to building up a system than installing a window manager. It helps to know how some of the underlying stuff works.
happy trails.
https://youtu.be/1SbdwL3CmZE