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Are the members of the team here ready to make an educated guess as to what people will do (those with no experience in Linux) when the EOL runs out on Windows 10? I just read a post from Elon about his experience with Windows 11 and he was none too pleased!

I think we should push our friends and family toward Linux, and help them with the setups, applications, etc. Seems like everyone is using Linux in the background for the real work, maybe now is the time to sell ourselves as the best in the world!
At least I feel that way!

I think we should not push. People need to be ready on their own to make the move. Remember what it was like when folks pushed you to do something you didn't want?

@needmorebrains
What is supposed to be wrong with W11?
I have tried it and like it better than W10.

needmorebrains wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:51 pm Are the members of the team here ready to make an educated guess as to what people will do (those with no experience in Linux) when the EOL runs out on Windows 10? I just read a post from Elon about his experience with Windows 11 and he was none too pleased!

They will move to Windows 11. Some may move to MacOS though.
North Korea is the only place I know of where it is actually the "Year of the Linux Desktop."

needmorebrains wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:51 pmI think we should push our friends and family toward Linux, and help them with the setups, applications, etc. Seems like everyone is using Linux in the background for the real work, maybe now is the time to sell ourselves as the best in the world!
At least I feel that way!

Apart from servers, I don't know a lot of people using Linux for real work. We don't do a teriffic job selling ourselves, because the Linux community contains a lot of GNU/Zealots and people who look down on general-purpose computer users, or simply do not understand or appreciate their requirements. People who want to do real work don't want to faff about in a terminal to enter a bunch of commands to get a bloody printer to work, we need to accept this reality.
I use Linux for real work myself, but I'm a dev, and I have a much higher tolerance of things going a bit wrong than the average user who doesn't want to (and likely doesn't have time to) tinker about.
But I still use Windows for certain things, such as updating firmware on hardware that Linux cannot update, or doing things that can't be done on Linux. There are still use cases for Windows at the moment.

I have to agree with AK-47. Many people will just move to Win11 and 'be done with it'.

There are a lot of machines that cannot run win11 because of its requirements, and it is truly sad as most of that hardware is excellent stuff and will run Linux well.

The "bad" in Windows 11 is getting worse imo. Ads, telemetry, CoPilot and the forced updates are all too much ( again - imo) and coupled with the mess 'that is windows' already its too much ...

This last year I moved over only 9 people to Linux. ( In 2022 I moved over 21.) And there could have been quite a few more moved over - most would have been fine working in MX. For most people the objection is Office, then a few more apps ( Quickbooks, Adobe and a few more.) It doesnt seem to matter what they are told, there is a mental block and until people can get around it all... Five of the ones that I moved were so disheartened with windows breaking them or slowing down perfectly good software that they gave up and gave MX a try.

The last few months I have been again evaluating various software that will help with all this, and I have two businesses that are 'close', but really my support is the *only* reason they would change.

Of the people I have converted, most I had converted over to FireFox, LibreOffice and Thunderbird a few years back. And this gave them a familiarity that worked well for the conversion and they felt at home with a few tweaks.

@CharlesV wrote:

The "bad" in Windows 11 is getting worse imo. Ads, telemetry, CoPilot and the forced updates are all too much ( again - imo) and coupled with the mess 'that is windows' already its too much ...

I agree. I did battle with one of my cousin's Win 11 laptop this weekend. When I received it on Saturday, it was taking twelve minutes (I timed it) to get to a working desktop (no more spinning blue circles) and when I returned it to her this afternoon I had that down to ninety seconds. I cleaned a whole bunch of crud out of it Saturday night, then it updated this morning and I had to do another cleaning. Don't get me started on what a hot mess the new, improved Outlook is.

if some one wants to install win 11 on to a non compliant system the best way around that is to use 'Rufus' usb iso burner.
but you will need the Windows 11 'International' iso then have Rufus burn that to USB stick drive but it must be the 'International' iso.
Rufus will then give you options to bypass certain restrictions that Microsoft have embedded within the iso.

my wife and grand kids use win 11 so i have win 11 23H2 running in Gnome boxes so i can keep up with it to fix there systems ..

Eadwine Rose wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:27 pm I think we should not push. People need to be ready on their own to make the move. Remember what it was like when folks pushed you to do something you didn't want?

Yes, maybe push is not the right word. I guess the overall experience is where we can "toot or own horn" so to speak. Great Insight! You should be the administrator! Oh yea, you are!!!!

j2mcgreg wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:03 pm @CharlesV wrote:

The "bad" in Windows 11 is getting worse imo. Ads, telemetry, CoPilot and the forced updates are all too much ( again - imo) and coupled with the mess 'that is windows' already its too much ...

I agree. I did battle with one of my cousin's Win 11 laptop this weekend. When I received it on Saturday, it was taking twelve minutes (I timed it) to get to a working desktop (no more spinning blue circles) and when I returned it to her this afternoon I had that down to ninety seconds. I cleaned a whole bunch of crud out of it Saturday night, then it updated this morning and I had to do another cleaning. Don't get me started on what a hot mess the new, improved Outlook is.

yup... Similar experience a week back. I thought win11 would be 'better than 10' and we would see less need for techies ... boy was I wrong on that one! win11 is a quivering pile and yeah.. I try desperately to talk people away from office and especially outlook!

GuiGuy wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:40 pm @needmorebrains
What is supposed to be wrong with W11?
I have tried it and like it better than W10.

Its hardware requirements are stricter that W10, and although there are workarounds, it is expected that MS will block those when W10 is EOL.

Chris