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MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:37 pm
by danielson
With the new (explicit?) requirement of ESP partition to run MX 23 in a dual boot setup with Windows 11, it might be handy to have a brief tutorial for those who may want to try that out?

Re: MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:09 pm
by DukeComposed
danielson wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:37 pm With the new (explicit?) requirement of ESP partition to run MX 23 in a dual boot setup with Windows 11, it might be handy to have a brief tutorial for those who may want to try that out?
I'm still not convinced that Windows 11 requires multiple partitions to run. It's common for modern systems to use UEFI to boot their operating systems, but there's nothing revolutionary about Windows 11 that would make it not support legacy BIOS. Since dual-booting necessarily involves editing your system partitions, whether on a fresh install or on a machine that came with an existing Windows install (and they almost all do), I'd argue that if your machine can support BIOS, you can simply install both operating systems into their own separate partitions.

Re: MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:26 pm
by danielson
Upon install in such situation, MX 23 says it will not install unless ESP is there (even if / is already set).

Hence, 2 partitions needed.

Re: MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:10 pm
by FullScale4Me
danielson wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:37 pm With the new (explicit?) requirement of ESP partition to run MX 23 in a dual boot setup with Windows 11, it might be handy to have a brief tutorial for those who may want to try that out?
MX Linux wiki - Dual Boot - have you seen it?

Re: MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:40 pm
by danielson
D.O.'s video is how to create MX live usb with Rufus.

There is no mention in that link about making novel ESP partition.

Re: MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:00 pm
by FullScale4Me
danielson wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:40 pm D.O.'s video is how to create MX live usb with Rufus.

There is no mention in that link about making novel ESP partition.
My thought was you would respond in kind with a link to the 'novel' method.

I've been Dual Booting since the WindowsXP days and have worked a lot of Novell servers too.

My personal retirement hobby is tech writing. This might be of interest to you - Dual Boot How-To guide: brief

I'll even throw you a bone (to save you more reading) and copy the entire section on how to install MX Linux below.
FullScale4Me wrote: 4.0 MX Linux Installation

Your PC is now ready to install MX Linux on the newly create partition.

• Install MX Linux, making sure to use the same Boot Mode (UEFI vs. BIOS/CSM/Legacy) as your Window’s installation.
• Allow the MX Linux installation to install the Grub Bootloader.
• DO NOT REBOOT!
• Run “update-grub” in a terminal window after the MX Linux installer is closed.
• As the above runs “Windows Boot Loader” should show up.
• Reboot.
Yes, that's all of it.

Re: MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:09 pm
by FullScale4Me
I just installed Windows 11 in MBR mode in Virtual Box on ONE partition.

No Secure Boot, No TPM, No Online Account, No 8th Gen CPU, No ESP/Diag/Recovery/Boot partition and no GTP as well.

Re: MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:23 am
by danielson
@FullScale4Me sorry if i sounded rude.
Was not my intention.
Just trying to convey what was experienced at my end of things.
Hard to take screenshots at install time.
Even more so when not as geeky as most here.

Just recently did a fresh Windows install.

Will re-read your post in case i missed something before.
Happens when you get up in the years!

Thanks!

Re: MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:06 am
by fehlix
FullScale4Me wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:00 pm My personal retirement hobby is tech writing. This might be of interest to you - Dual Boot How-To guide: brief

I'll even throw you a bone (to save you more reading) and copy the entire section on how to install MX Linux below.
FullScale4Me wrote: 4.0 MX Linux Installation

Your PC is now ready to install MX Linux on the newly create partition.

• Install MX Linux, making sure to use the same Boot Mode (UEFI vs. BIOS/CSM/Legacy) as your Window’s installation.
• Allow the MX Linux installation to install the Grub Bootloader.
• DO NOT REBOOT!
• Run “update-grub” in a terminal window after the MX Linux installer is closed.
• As the above runs “Windows Boot Loader” should show up.
• Reboot.
Yes, that's all of it.
Suggest review this part: »Run “update-grub” in a terminal window after the MX Linux installer is closed."«
As update-grub running in terminal on a MX LiveUSB, won't work for two reasons:

1st: You will see this error: failed to get canonical path of `overlay'."

2nd: Even it it would work, update-grub generates the grub-menu config file at location /boot/grub/grub.cfg.

But boot- or /root-partition of the freshly installed System is not available (or better not mounted ) on the LiveUSB.

Also with the latest installer this addtional step might not be needed anymore to get the windows menuentry listed.
Otherwise if still needed, either run "update-grub" within the booted installed system or run within chroot-terminal e.g. by using "Chroot Rescue" to "visit" the fresh installed System. Or even use MX Boot Repair from the LiveBooted System.

Re: MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:53 am
by danielson
@fehlix - appreciate the highlights!

Have always turned off fast-boot but never heard of Bitlocker before.

Setting / as the one and only partition has always been good to me thus far.

- - - - -

Think i'll give D.O.'s respin a shot this time around.

Re: MX 23 dual boot with Windows 11- tutorial needed.

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:25 pm
by FullScale4Me
fehlix wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:06 am
FullScale4Me wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:00 pm My personal retirement hobby is tech writing. This might be of interest to you - Dual Boot How-To guide: brief

I'll even throw you a bone (to save you more reading) and copy the entire section on how to install MX Linux below.
FullScale4Me wrote: 4.0 MX Linux Installation

Your PC is now ready to install MX Linux on the newly create partition.

• Install MX Linux, making sure to use the same Boot Mode (UEFI vs. BIOS/CSM/Legacy) as your Window’s installation.
• Allow the MX Linux installation to install the Grub Bootloader.
• DO NOT REBOOT!
• Run “update-grub” in a terminal window after the MX Linux installer is closed.
• As the above runs “Windows Boot Loader” should show up.
• Reboot.
Yes, that's all of it.
Suggest review this part: »Run “update-grub” in a terminal window after the MX Linux installer is closed."«
As update-grub running in terminal on a MX LiveUSB, won't work for two reasons:

1st: You will see this error: failed to get canonical path of `overlay'."

2nd: Even it it would work, update-grub generates the grub-menu config file at location /boot/grub/grub.cfg.

But boot- or /root-partition of the freshly installed System is not available (or better not mounted ) on the LiveUSB.

Also with the latest installer this addtional step might not be needed anymore to get the windows menuentry listed.
Otherwise if still needed, either run "update-grub" within the booted installed system or run within chroot-terminal e.g. by using "Chroot Rescue" to "visit" the fresh installed System. Or even use MX Boot Repair from the LiveBooted System.
Thank you fehlix for the valuable feedback. Other (external to this forum) reviewers missed that error on my part. Document updated.