MX Linux Forum

I'm not sure if I'm posting in the right subforum.
About MX KDE currently in Beta 2; will the final version be released with Plasma 5.14?
I know that it's the Debian version but 5.18 LTS brings considerable improvements like easier system settings.
btw, it's wonderful to see KDE finally officially supported

We cannot at this time upgrade to KDE 5.18 on the Debian Stable base.

We may look into updating the Plasma version if possible for the next KDEMX release, which should be still be based on Buster, but it needs at least 200 packages backported, some of them quite hefty builds. There's no way we're going to switch horses in midstream for the 19.2 version, even if we magically had all the backports done by elves overnight. (anyone know of any nerd elves looking for work?)

Stevo wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:57 am even if we magically had all the backports done by elves overnight

lol
Thanks for the answers.
Having Plasma 5.14 is not a deal breaker. I'm waiting eagerly for KDEMX final release

Can we get the Spinning Cube back... awesome

Kogomo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:17 am Can we get the Spinning Cube back... awesome

It never went away AFAIK. Enable it in System Settings > Workspace Behaviour > Desktop Effects

sunrat wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:11 pm

Kogomo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:17 am Can we get the Spinning Cube back... awesome

It never went away AFAIK. Enable it in System Settings > Workspace Behaviour > Desktop Effects

Plus we've had it in compiz in MX for years now on non-Plasma desktops, or it was an extension for the Cinnamon desktop, too.

The news that there is now a plasma version of MX triggered me into joining the forums. A combination where you would always have the lates plasma LTS with an MX-base would be the combination of all combinations. Hopefully it will be doable some day.

Potential new user here. I agree with kjunix regarding the goal of having MX Linux incorporating the latest LTS version of plasma. I've been a KDE user since version 1.1 and tried numerous distros over time looking for one that best supports KDE while providing a stable, secure, flexible platform. I ended up on Debian many years ago and it fits the bill perfectly except for one thing, lagging support for KDE.

I've tried openSUSE, Kubuntu, KDE Neon, Netrunner, KaOS, Neptune, etc. etc. etc. but they either provide dated versions of KDE, are buggy, or lack flexibility. In the case of openSUSE (Gecko), while reliable, I find it cumbersome to use compared to Debian. I also dislike some of its design decisions that tend to make it overly complicated for typical users. It seems to be oriented more toward system administrators.

MX Linux seems to be much more desktop user oriented. I particularly like the default inclusion of programs like yakuake, aptitude, vim, digikam, clementine, vlc, and the latest version of Firefox. I like the little touches, like having syntax highlighting already enabled in vim. In fact, while there are a few applications I won't use, MX Linux out-of-the-box requires much less fiddling with than any other distro I've recently used. The ONLY application I question is the use of Back in Time rather than Timeshift, as the former doesn't seem to be actively developed anymore.

I short, I have a good feeling about this distro. Keep up the good work. I think you may have found a new user.

I thought we had Lucky Backup instead of Back in Time, but we'll consider Timeshift for the next point release. Unless we switched to BIT for the KDE edition...Thanks for the kudos!

BIT was in mxkde because it's a Qt app.

I still use Lucky backup myself, since I backup data and configs rather than whole installed systems .

Hi! Just another user who would love 5.18+ KDE. It sounds like a Debian packager is working on it as well as seen in another thread around here!

Ok, everyone asking for KDE 5.18+ needs to go back and read please, or look at the Beta or RC threads, or any of the other threads just like this.

It was already covered in this thread too:

SwampRabbit wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:47 pm We cannot at this time upgrade to KDE 5.18 on the Debian Stable base.

Stevo wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:57 am We may look into updating the Plasma version if possible for the next KDEMX release, which should be still be based on Buster, but it needs at least 200 packages backported, some of them quite hefty builds. There's no way we're going to switch horses in midstream for the 19.2 version, even if we magically had all the backports done by elves overnight. (anyone know of any nerd elves looking for work?)

Everyone gets it, but there is a reason we cannot do this right now, even if we want to. The question has been asked over and over, the same answers are given.

Asking more and saying how much you'd like it to be available isn't going to change that at this point in time.
Unless like Stevo said we get a couple hundred really smart elves all of a sudden with nothing better to do then spend hundreds of hours cranking out the backports and fixing all the issues of trying to run it on a Debian Stable (Buster) base.


As far as the Back in Time (or Lucky Backup)/ Timeshift thing, I think it was discussed quite a bit during Beta.
Timeshift wasn't the choice like asqwerth said, because its a system snapshot tool and not a normal back up tool.
One of the main reasons was because of the potential flood of forum posts from new users who start to use it and fill up their drives not understanding how it actually works.

Slayerproof32 wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:37 am https://www.preining.info/blog/2020/05 ... -to-debian

You just came over from Manjaro forums, right? Recognise the name.

I'm afraid that unlike Manjaro, Debian Stable is not rolling and it is not possible to get newer versions of Plasma in Debian Stable, because of dependency conflicts. It uses a newer Qt version than is used by packages in the Debian Stable repos. CHanging that, ie bringing in the newer Qt, means all other Qt apps in Debian Stable repos will break.

The link you posted above is a packager packaging latest Plasma for Debian Sid (ie, Unstable). He himself (Norbert) has posted in these forums stating that he did not think it was possible to backport his Plasma packages for Stable.

Enabling that repo on your MX install will break your system.

You may wish to read https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian

SwampRabbit wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:00 am
Everyone gets it, but there is a reason we cannot do this right now, even if we want to. The question has been asked over and over, the same answers are given.

I think the problem is the MX team have done such a good job with this release everyone is bored because it is so stable so we start looking for things to do.

I would love the new KDE version but not at the expense of the stability we currently have. It is easy to forget how much work has gone on so far and I am grateful for the way it is put together. If you really want the latest KDE, Neon user has it, but it crashes and reboots (at least for me) whereas MX Linux KDE is just solid.

my 0,02€

. ...Timeshift wasn't the choice like asqwerth said, because its a system snapshot tool and not a normal back up tool.

Swamprabbit, I think all I said was that Back in Time was a Qt app, so it was chosen in MX KDE.

I honestly don't know what sort of backup program it is because I stick to lucky backup.

I don't use timeshift either.

I have many distros, so as long as I have backups of my configs , settings and data (including icons, wallpaper and other customisation stuff), I'm fine.

kangburra wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:39 am I think the problem is the MX team have done such a good job with this release everyone is bored because it is so stable so we start looking for things to do.

I get it, but the thing is it isn't like we aren't moving to a new version because we don't want to, and this has all been covered so many times.

Another thing is that you say "we are looking for things to do" (I understand what you are saying), but think about it from our end, these posts seem more like "we are looking for things for the MX team to do".

There are plenty of great things users can do right now:
- read the user manual and FAQ
- help other users out on the forums with "help" or "problem" threads
- create HOWTOs on the forum or elsewhere
- find bugs AND the solution to fix them, then report
- help with translations
- create YouTube, Distrowatch, other reviews

Those things free up time and effort from the MX team to do other cool stuff for users