Responses to Coming changes in impending MX 25 release.

[AVLinux]

My only objection was your impression that Debian is some kind of victim (if I read that right). If Debian is a victim it must be to self-harm. The Universal Operating System shouldn’t be tied to systemd in my opinion.

This Debian systemd decision still gets to me. I'm a happy Windows user, but I wanted something different.

No worries at all! To clarify I wouldn't say 'victim' I just wondered why they didn't exert more apparent influence, your answer clarifies this, they internally voted for these things as a 'divided kingdom' so to speak, I've come away more informed, thank you!

[daemonspudguy]

The death of systemd-shim and the broken state of Docker on Arch Linux ARM share the same cause: cgroups v1 is no longer enabled on the kernel starting with version 6.12. It's a shame too because MX was basically unique in the ability to switch init systems on-the-fly.

[daemonspudguy]

Thanks anyway.

I wonder how Slackware users will cope. KDE's been default for some time and Slackware's been opposed to systemd from the very start of the affair. Then again, Patrick is quite a wizard so he may find a work around.

@LU344928 I booted up AlienBob's latest Slackware15 -current live ISO (Aug 5th 2025) but they are still on KDE 5.27

Apparently Eric is still working on getting his tooling up to date for KDE 6. Someone else has already gotten a repo ready in the meantime though.

[siamhie]

Thanks anyway.

I wonder how Slackware users will cope. KDE's been default for some time and Slackware's been opposed to systemd from the very start of the affair. Then again, Patrick is quite a wizard so he may find a work around.

@LU344928 I booted up AlienBob's latest Slackware15 -current live ISO (Aug 5th 2025) but they are still on KDE 5.27

Apparently Eric is still working on getting his tooling up to date for KDE 6. Someone else has already gotten a repo ready in the meantime though.

+1
Good to know. I currently dual boot MX-25 fluxbox and Slackware15 -current fluxbox.

[Vanitarium]

Debian13 is two days away from announced release date: how soon will MXlinux go to new version? Any release date for MXlinux on Debian13,please?
I love MX on my iMac: it's so fast and smooth!
Thank you to developers for this awesome OS

[Eadwine Rose]

It'll be ready when it is ready.

[jeffreyC]

Got it.

Considering it states, "At this time, the KDE iso will ship with systemd only" it looks like I'll be sticking with MX23 for some time.

Unless I decide to switch to Fluxbox... Xfce is out of the question.

@LU344928 You do have another choice.
You could try installing the sysVinit MX-25 XFCE ISO and add kde-full from the enabled tab in MX Package Installer.
You will still have access to all of the MX Tools. I've done this in the past.

*never mind. It has been pointed out that KDE 5.25 has switched to systemd. The MX devs made it possible to boot to SysVinit but I guess KDE6 is different in that respect.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#systemd_startup

Thanks anyway.

I wonder how Slackware users will cope. KDE's been default for some time and Slackware's been opposed to systemd from the very start of the affair. Then again, Patrick is quite a wizard so he may find a work around.

Consider that KDE is still available in the various BSDs which are completely incompatible with systemd, including a recently introduced FreeBSD install media with KDE.

[rambo919]

Consider that KDE is still available in the various BSDs which are completely incompatible with systemd, including a recently introduced FreeBSD install media with KDE.

Imagine that, BSD might be the savior or they might give up on KDE..... probably the latter inevitably.

[daemonspudguy]

Consider that KDE is still available in the various BSDs which are completely incompatible with systemd, including a recently introduced FreeBSD install media with KDE.

Imagine that, BSD might be the savior or they might give up on KDE..... probably the latter inevitably.

Wayland is supported on FreeBSD and NetBSD, and AFAIK KDE has no plans on adding hard dependencies on systemd a la GNOME.

[MikeR]

F.Y.I. Some feedback on the upcoming changes:
from www.theregister.com/2025/08/06/

On a personal note: Left Ubuntu when they forced systemD on me.
I have never, to my knowledge, booted systemD since.

Mike