MX Linux Forum

AVLinux wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 7:21 pm Well, I don't pretend to know all the details and Gnome 2 was on it's way out when I got onboard but certainly RedHat seems to call the tune and what Fedora gets first (usually in an early beta state) we all get later. It's always puzzled me how Debian is often the cautious voice of choice and reason and the foundation of most popular Distros yet they seem to carry no weight in 'big Linux' decisions..

Just like the current subversion of Democracy around the world by the fascists, the parasite corporations have played the long game for decades. They have used the money and the jobs given to key members of the open source community to slowly little by little over these many years to impose their agenda upon it. You see it more and more all the time with less choice being offered. Even with the Debian GNU/Linux project supposed support of the *nix philosophy do one thing and do it well has been totally subverted when they adopted the abomination of systemd. Which has grown to include its tentacles into every damn thing there is in a GNU/Linux system they conveniently forget it is supposed to be an init system. Soon it will be impossible to boot without it being present if the Microsoft employed maintainers get their way. Oh and they were just like that Miguel de Icaza leader of Gnome part of the Redhat (now owned by another corporate parasite IBM) team leading Microsoft pushed technologies to push into this before they all gave up the pretense and went back to the mother ship to get their rewards paid in full. In short it is the corporations driving the agenda, the community usually has no say, with the added bonus of having people do the work they can take for free with a few crumbs tossed on the table for open source people to have. The work they build multi-billion dollar companies on then the scumbags will not even make certain the important parts of it having the funding needed to maintain itself proper let along security concerns. I could go on for days on the subject...

@RedGreen925 Lets not please.. you are getting into political areas that are heavily frowned upon in the forum. Back on topic please.

CharlesV wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 7:50 pm @RedGreen925 Lets not please.. you are getting into political areas that are heavily frowned upon in the forum. Back on topic please.

Reasonable enough.

AVLinux wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 7:21 pm Well, I don't pretend to know all the details and Gnome 2 was on it's way out when I got onboard but certainly RedHat seems to call the tune and what Fedora gets first (usually in an early beta state) we all get later. It's always puzzled me how Debian is often the cautious voice of choice and reason and the foundation of most popular Distros yet they seem to carry no weight in 'big Linux' decisions..

EDIT: nvm the explanation would be deemed "political", let's just say that sometimes strange or political seeming things really are just money or corruption things.

Is there likely to be a performance hit if running systemd? I've always enjoyed MX's lean-ness, speed and responsiveness. Will that be affected?

Shifu wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 5:36 am Is there likely to be a performance hit if running systemd?

Not for the average user.

siamhie wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 3:24 pm

LU344928 wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 3:11 pm

siamhie wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 6:11 am

Yes. It's mentioned in the blog. The link to the blog is on post #1.
Currently, KDE defaults to X11 but users can switch to Wayland if they want to.

Got it.

Considering it states, "At this time, the KDE iso will ship with systemd only" it looks like I'll be sticking with MX23 for some time.

Unless I decide to switch to Fluxbox... Xfce is out of the question.

@LU344928 You do have another choice.
You could try installing the sysVinit MX-25 XFCE ISO and add kde-full from the enabled tab in MX Package Installer.
You will still have access to all of the MX Tools. I've done this in the past.

*never mind. It has been pointed out that KDE 5.25 has switched to systemd. The MX devs made it possible to boot to SysVinit but I guess KDE6 is different in that respect.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#systemd_startup

Thanks anyway.

I wonder how Slackware users will cope. KDE's been default for some time and Slackware's been opposed to systemd from the very start of the affair. Then again, Patrick is quite a wizard so he may find a work around.

Please forgive me - if I wish to stick with MX 23, how long will it be "supported"? I'm happy with the way things are now (MX 23 with KDE5), and I know that the 6.1 LTS kernel series is "supported" until December 2027 - would that timeframe be a reasonable cutoff date for MX 23 "support", as well? I have read the original blog post in #1 - it's just not crystal clear to me about the timelines for remaining on SysV with KDE and MX 23.

LU344928 wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 6:27 am

siamhie wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 3:24 pm

LU344928 wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 3:11 pm

Got it.

Considering it states, "At this time, the KDE iso will ship with systemd only" it looks like I'll be sticking with MX23 for some time.

Unless I decide to switch to Fluxbox... Xfce is out of the question.

@LU344928 You do have another choice.
You could try installing the sysVinit MX-25 XFCE ISO and add kde-full from the enabled tab in MX Package Installer.
You will still have access to all of the MX Tools. I've done this in the past.

*never mind. It has been pointed out that KDE 5.25 has switched to systemd. The MX devs made it possible to boot to SysVinit but I guess KDE6 is different in that respect.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#systemd_startup

Thanks anyway.

I wonder how Slackware users will cope. KDE's been default for some time and Slackware's been opposed to systemd from the very start of the affair. Then again, Patrick is quite a wizard so he may find a work around.

Or is it down to the fact that Slackware is not Debian, and that in itself is the work around?

bradhamilton wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 7:50 am Please forgive me - if I wish to stick with MX 23, how long will it be "supported"? I'm happy with the way things are now (MX 23 with KDE5), and I know that the 6.1 LTS kernel series is "supported" until December 2027 - would that timeframe be a reasonable cutoff date for MX 23 "support", as well? I have read the original blog post in #1 - it's just not crystal clear to me about the timelines for remaining on SysV with KDE and MX 23.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_Linux

June 30, 2028