To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?

[JayM]

It's the emacs vs. vi wars all over again.

[asqwerth]

I havent used Fedora or Redhat for over 10 years and did not follow at all what they do.
I just used gnome applications if they were indispensable.
Did not expect this kind of subterfuge of init.

Anyway you helped me a lot. I now know where the fish rots.
Thanks

OK, so now we know how you got gnome onto your system. The way you did it probably caused your problems.
But if you are so against systemd, I'm rather surprised you would not know how interconnected with systemd the full gnome suite is. It's the red hat, poettering connection.
Not many people are going to compile gnome from scratch ; they would install binaries from Debian repos. And that can be done in mx without leading to removal of sysv or samba.

zimbodel, I do have to agree with Adrian that your initial claims that:

1) MX was running systemd by default (and thus that MX's statements about itself were wrong)
2) removing systemd would remove sysV and various other MX default packages
3) (another thread) that samba was not on your system by default and could not be installed

were not correct.

Like I said, I think how you installed gnome wholesale (and did not check what was being removed) caused the issues.

By default, sysV is definitely on the MX live and installed system, and systemd is not running. Samba is also preinstalled.

If you check MX Packageinstaller >> Popular Apps tab >> desktop environment category, you can install a base Gnome system without causing havoc to your system or changing the default init manager.

You may also want to read this thread about whether it's appropriate to use MX as a server: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=48337

From the thread discussion (although it isn't long), the conclusion appears to be that standard Debian kernels with lower frequency are more suited to server usage, while MX is optimised for desktop use with higher frequency kernel. However, samba is already set up.

[Eadwine Rose]

Topic closed pending mod discussion