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Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:10 am**

Yesterday late after managed to set ActivityWatch activity tracker all good before shutdown and go to sleep, but after a logout and login I got an unusable system what I mean is:

All open windows lies amassed one above the other on the screen's left up corner,

windows have lost the 3 symbols on the right (minimise,maximize,close) and mouse/touchpad focus,

the cursor become an x but now after some logout,shutdown is again an arrow, then an x again etc,

cloak is unset and now conky have a dark frame around(see pic),

the icons(files) I had on desktop disappeared(appear after I open the lip but then disappear then panel and have to shutdown and restart),

when screensaver goes on and after when I reenter appear the desktop icons but disappear the panel(I have to logout and login to appear again the panel --and disappear desktop icons--),

the 2 default workspaces not exist more now exist only 1 workspace,

when cursor goes on a context menu(not on all windows but for sure on browser and file manager(thunar)) the context menu disappear I have to use combo keyboard keys,

network manager with no wifi(the only net inerface I use actually)-- fortunately when logged in today for some magic reason restart worked so I can write here--

Actually I can open only one window at a time because they overlap and not change focus not only with cursor but even after tap on them.

...and who knows what other.

Practically the system as is it's definitely not usable :(

I thought to reinstall but before that step lets see with your help if something is recoverable. Really dunno what happened all was OK(a part few annoyances i reported here) and suddenly came the absolute chaos.
In your opinion/feeling happened something system wide or only in my home?
Meanwhile what's the easy way to copy/backup my home(preserving as possible as the original) to a storage device?
Let me know what you think about
TIA

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System:
  Kernel: 6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64 [6.6-16~mx23ahs] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: audit=0
    intel_pstate=disable rcupdate.rcu_expedited=1 BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64
    root=UUID=<filter> ro rootflags=subvol=@ quiet splash fbcon=nodefer
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel vt: 7 dm: LightDM v: 1.26.0
    Distro: MX-23.2_ahs_x64 Libretto October 15 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP 250 15.6 inch G9 Notebook PC v: Type1ProductConfigId
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: HP model: 8A1D v: 08.37 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: Insyde v: F.59
    date: 02/04/2023
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT1 charge: 8.8 Wh (21.9%) condition: 40.2/41.0 Wh (97.9%) volts: 11.0 min: 11.3
    model: Hewlett-Packard PABAS0241231 type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: discharging
CPU:
  Info: model: 12th Gen Intel Core i5-1235U bits: 64 type: MST AMCP arch: Alder Lake level: v3
    note: check built: 2021+ process: Intel 7 (10nm ESF) family: 6 model-id: 0x9A (154) stepping: 4
    microcode: 0x430
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 10 mt: 2 tpc: 2 st: 8 threads: 12 smt: enabled cache: L1: 928 KiB
    desc: d-8x32 KiB, 2x48 KiB; i-2x32 KiB, 8x64 KiB L2: 6.5 MiB desc: 2x1.2 MiB, 2x2 MiB L3: 12 MiB
    desc: 1x12 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 596 high: 941 min/max: 400/2501 boost: enabled scaling: driver: acpi-cpufreq
    governor: ondemand cores: 1: 941 2: 768 3: 926 4: 871 5: 754 6: 400 7: 400 8: 400 9: 400 10: 400
    11: 500 12: 400 bogomips: 59904
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed status: Not affected
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Enhanced / Automatic IBRS, IBPB: conditional, RSB filling,
    PBRSB-eIBRS: SW sequence
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Alder Lake-UP3 GT2 [UHD Graphics] vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen-12.2 process: Intel 10nm built: 2021-22+ ports: active: eDP-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2, DP-3,
    HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:4628 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: Cheng Uei Precision Industry (Foxlink) HP True Vision HD Camera type: USB
    driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 1-5:2 chip-ID: 05c8:0b05 class-ID: 0e02 serial: <filter>
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
    dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.00x11.22") s-diag: 582mm (22.93")
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: ChiMei InnoLux 0x153b built: 2020 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 142
    gamma: 1.2 size: 344x193mm (13.54x7.6") diag: 394mm (15.5") ratio: 16:9 modes: 1920x1080
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 23.1.2-1~mx23ahs renderer: Mesa Intel Graphics (ADL GT2)
    direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Alder Lake PCH-P High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl alternate: snd_hda_intel,snd_sof_pci_intel_tgl bus-ID: 00:1f.3
    chip-ID: 8086:51c8 class-ID: 0401
  API: ALSA v: k6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.0 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
    tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: 4000 bus-ID: 02:00.0
    chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Realtek vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: rtw89_8852be v: kernel modules: wl pcie:
    gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: 3000 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:b852 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-10:3
    chip-ID: 0bda:b85c class-ID: e001 serial: <filter>
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: up address: <filter>
  Info: acl-mtu: 1021:6 sco-mtu: 255:12 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff park
    link-mode: peripheral accept service-classes: rendering, capturing, audio, telephony
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 942.7 GiB used: 132 GiB (14.0%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Western Digital model: WD PC SN740 SDDPNQD-512G-1006
    size: 476.94 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 63.2 Gb/s lanes: 4 type: SSD
    serial: <filter> rev: HPS3 temp: 35.9 C scheme: GPT
  ID-2: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 type: USB vendor: A-Data model: UE800 size: 465.76 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 1000 scheme: MBR
  SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure?
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 463.42 GiB size: 463.42 GiB (100.00%) used: 131.68 GiB (28.4%) fs: btrfs
    dev: /dev/dm-0 maj-min: 253:0 mapped: luks-<filter>
  ID-2: /boot raw-size: 1024 MiB size: 973.4 MiB (95.06%) used: 329.4 MiB (33.8%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2 maj-min: 259:2
  ID-3: /boot/efi raw-size: 512 MiB size: 511 MiB (99.80%) used: 288 KiB (0.1%) fs: vfat
    dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 maj-min: 259:1
  ID-4: /home raw-size: 463.42 GiB size: 463.42 GiB (100.00%) used: 131.68 GiB (28.4%) fs: btrfs
    dev: /dev/dm-0 maj-min: 253:0 mapped: luks-<filter>
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 11.98 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/dm-1
    maj-min: 253:1 mapped: luks-<filter>
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 58.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 fan-2: 0
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2832 libs: 1280 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala,synaptic pm: rpm
    pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/backports.list
    1: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-backports main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/fasttrack.list
    1: deb https://fasttrack.debian.net/debian/ bookworm-fasttrack main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/librewolf.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] http://deb.librewolf.net bookworm main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/mx/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
    2: deb http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/mx/mx/repo/ bookworm ahs
Info:
  Processes: 417 Uptime: 3h 24m wakeups: 21261 Memory: 7.44 GiB used: 2.79 GiB (37.5%)
  Init: SysVinit v: 3.06 runlevel: 5 default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0
  alt: 12 clang: 14.0.6 Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: UEFI

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:29 am**

Although I am a real fan of them, the Liquorix kernels can sometimes be hit and miss. At the grub screen press 'e' to edit and then select an earlier kernel as the boot choice. If this gets you back to near normal operation, you can make the switch permanent with Boot Options in MX Tools.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:34 am**

j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:29 am Although I am a real fan of them, the Liquorix kernels can sometimes be hit and miss. At the grub screen press 'e' to edit and then select an earlier kernel as the boot choice. If this gets you back to near normal operation, you can make the switch permanent with Boot Options in MX Tools.

@j2mcgreg I use it some time now without any problem, but lets try your proposition
I changed to debians ahs kernel(no need of grub's edit key all available kernels in system form a list so at boot time it's enough choose one) but nothing changed (now clock shows the correct time and cursor from arrow become again an x. On purpose that reminds me X's pointer and behaviour of windows too)
Something goes wrong with the windowing system seems returned in the old X's good days

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System:
  Kernel: 6.6.10-3-liquorix-amd64 [6.6-14~mx23ahs] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: audit=0
    intel_pstate=disable rcupdate.rcu_expedited=1 BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-6.6.10-3-liquorix-amd64
    root=UUID=<filter> ro rootflags=subvol=@ quiet splash fbcon=nodefer
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel vt: 7 dm: LightDM v: 1.26.0
    Distro: MX-23.2_ahs_x64 Libretto October 15 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP 250 15.6 inch G9 Notebook PC v: Type1ProductConfigId
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: HP model: 8A1D v: 08.37 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: Insyde v: F.59
    date: 02/04/2023
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT1 charge: 23.1 Wh (57.5%) condition: 40.2/41.0 Wh (97.9%) volts: 12.0 min: 11.3
    model: Hewlett-Packard PABAS0241231 type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: charging
CPU:
  Info: model: 12th Gen Intel Core i5-1235U bits: 64 type: MST AMCP arch: Alder Lake level: v3
    note: check built: 2021+ process: Intel 7 (10nm ESF) family: 6 model-id: 0x9A (154) stepping: 4
    microcode: 0x430
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 10 mt: 2 tpc: 2 st: 8 threads: 12 smt: enabled cache: L1: 928 KiB
    desc: d-8x32 KiB, 2x48 KiB; i-2x32 KiB, 8x64 KiB L2: 6.5 MiB desc: 2x1.2 MiB, 2x2 MiB L3: 12 MiB
    desc: 1x12 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 595 high: 1087 min/max: 400/2501 boost: enabled scaling: driver: acpi-cpufreq
    governor: ondemand cores: 1: 1087 2: 1071 3: 783 4: 800 5: 400 6: 500 7: 400 8: 400 9: 400
    10: 400 11: 500 12: 400 bogomips: 59904
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed status: Not affected
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Enhanced / Automatic IBRS, IBPB: conditional, RSB filling,
    PBRSB-eIBRS: SW sequence
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Alder Lake-UP3 GT2 [UHD Graphics] vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen-12.2 process: Intel 10nm built: 2021-22+ ports: active: eDP-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2, DP-3,
    HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:4628 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: Cheng Uei Precision Industry (Foxlink) HP True Vision HD Camera type: USB
    driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 1-5:2 chip-ID: 05c8:0b05 class-ID: 0e02 serial: <filter>
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
    dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.00x11.22") s-diag: 582mm (22.93")
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: ChiMei InnoLux 0x153b built: 2020 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 142
    gamma: 1.2 size: 344x193mm (13.54x7.6") diag: 394mm (15.5") ratio: 16:9 modes: 1920x1080
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 23.1.2-1~mx23ahs renderer: Mesa Intel Graphics (ADL GT2)
    direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Alder Lake PCH-P High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl alternate: snd_hda_intel,snd_sof_pci_intel_tgl bus-ID: 00:1f.3
    chip-ID: 8086:51c8 class-ID: 0401
  API: ALSA v: k6.6.10-3-liquorix-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.0 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
    tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: 4000 bus-ID: 02:00.0
    chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Realtek vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: rtw89_8852be v: kernel modules: wl pcie:
    gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: 3000 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:b852 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-10:3
    chip-ID: 0bda:b85c class-ID: e001 serial: <filter>
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: down bt-service: N/A rfk-block: hardware: no
    software: yes address: <filter>
  Info: acl-mtu: 1021:6 sco-mtu: 255:12 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff park
    link-mode: peripheral accept
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 942.7 GiB used: 132.01 GiB (14.0%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Western Digital model: WD PC SN740 SDDPNQD-512G-1006
    size: 476.94 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 63.2 Gb/s lanes: 4 type: SSD
    serial: <filter> rev: HPS3 temp: 41.9 C scheme: GPT
  ID-2: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 type: USB vendor: A-Data model: UE800 size: 465.76 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 1000 scheme: MBR
  SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure?
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 463.42 GiB size: 463.42 GiB (100.00%) used: 131.69 GiB (28.4%) fs: btrfs
    dev: /dev/dm-0 maj-min: 253:0 mapped: luks-<filter>
  ID-2: /boot raw-size: 1024 MiB size: 973.4 MiB (95.06%) used: 329.4 MiB (33.8%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2 maj-min: 259:2
  ID-3: /boot/efi raw-size: 512 MiB size: 511 MiB (99.80%) used: 288 KiB (0.1%) fs: vfat
    dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 maj-min: 259:1
  ID-4: /home raw-size: 463.42 GiB size: 463.42 GiB (100.00%) used: 131.69 GiB (28.4%) fs: btrfs
    dev: /dev/dm-0 maj-min: 253:0 mapped: luks-<filter>
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 11.98 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/dm-1
    maj-min: 253:1 mapped: luks-<filter>
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 45.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 fan-2: 0
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2832 libs: 1280 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala,synaptic pm: rpm
    pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/backports.list
    1: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-backports main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/fasttrack.list
    1: deb https://fasttrack.debian.net/debian/ bookworm-fasttrack main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/librewolf.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] http://deb.librewolf.net bookworm main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/mx/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
    2: deb http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/mx/mx/repo/ bookworm ahs
Info:
  Processes: 396 Uptime: 30m wakeups: 20962 Memory: 7.44 GiB used: 2.14 GiB (28.7%) Init: SysVinit
  v: 3.06 runlevel: 5 default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12
  clang: 14.0.6 Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: UEFI

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:37 am**

I have seen exactly what your describing, and I personally would do the following:

1) create a snapshot right now and preserve your data.

2) Back your data up using back in time or another back up program.

3) If you have recent timeshift, then :
___a) If you back up your home with timeshift, then run timeshift and create a back up now.
___b) Run timeshift again, this time restoring a the back up BEFORE teh one you just did in step a .

The panel can be fixed fairly easily with the panel restore in tweak, and you can also clear out the xfce settings to have it start fresh. But the real fix I found was to roll back to a previous timeshift.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:41 am**

...and cursor's shape changed from arrow become an x. On purpose that reminds me the good old times aka X's pointer and behaviour of windows too

Forgot to mention yesterday I did a Timeshift's rollback(only system no home) but to no avail :( . So probably that's not a wide system problem but regard only my home.
That brought me to create a second user account in the system (on occasion tried also MX users tool)with brand new skeleton of directories and .configuration files and as I thunk and now verified there is not problem at all.
So now what? We know that here some .configuration files, folders in my home for some weird reason have suddenly changed/broken and the weirdness I experience on screen is the result. All that refers locally to my home and not the wide system that's good news.
How can I do to replace the .hidden files, dirs of a new account on my broken account without more headaches?

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:47 am**

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rm ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml

Logout, login. (WM will be reset to defaults.)

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:15 am**

possbily removing any saved sessions as well. sometimes it can stupidly remember that things like the desktop or the panel are not running, and so they won't be later on session restore.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:58 am**

Charlie Brown wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:47 am
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rm ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml
Logout, login. (WM will be reset to defaults.)

@Charlie Brown I renamed the entire dir ~/.config/xfce4 Logout-login new dir generated but no luck same weirdness
Thanks

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 12:10 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:15 am possbily removing any saved sessions as well. sometimes it can stupidly remember that things like the desktop or the panel are not running, and so they won't be later on session restore.

@dolphin_oracle I had save sessions ticked. Where are stored the sessions?

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:12 pm**

you can remove them in the Sessions and Startup utility.

FYI removing the xfconf config directory while xfce and xfconf is running won't work. the files just get rewritten when xfce session is over.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:18 pm**

I could not find a way to delete them in S&S and I did at one time but I'm in MX-21.3.
The "Saved Sessions" tab does not exist, perhaps it doesn't appear if no sessions were saved?

Unless I missed something.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:29 pm**

Yes. It'll appear (for example) when you click "save session" in "Current Session" tab.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:41 pm**

Mentioned because - maybe that's why harrykar couldn't find it.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:45 pm**

assuming something wrong with the Xfce desktop, you can reset your Xfce configuration the following way.

1. logout

2. use cntrl+alt+f1 to get a console, and log in as your regular user.

3. rm -R $HOME/.config/xfce4

4. exit

5. use cntrl+alt+f7 to get back to login prompt.

6. login. you should get the default Xfce desktop.

but I did take a look at activity watch and it should seems to have a lot of X related libraries included in it. maybe remove your autostart entry for it.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:14 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:45 pm assuming something wrong with the Xfce desktop, you can reset your Xfce configuration the following way.

1. logout

2. use cntrl+alt+f1 to get a console, and log in as your regular user.

3. rm -R $HOME/.config/xfce4

4. exit

5. use cntrl+alt+f7 to get back to login prompt.

6. login. you should get the default Xfce desktop.

I did it but unfortunately no luck thank you for expanded what you refer in #10 post @dolphin_oracle
As I reported in #5 a brand new home has no problems.
How about if I cp my home's content(~150GB) to a stick (what are the options to take a copy as nearly as possible (-a = -dR --preserve=all) to original?) and then copy a skeleton from /etc/skel to my home(cp -r /etc/skel/* ~/)?
Or maybe better rename my actual home dir as userhome.back and generate(if exist adhoc cmds for that or with a mkdir) a brand new home?

but I did take a look at activity watch and it should seems to have a lot of X related libraries included in it. maybe remove your autostart entry for it.

Just did it early morning today. You think can be the culprit?

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:23 pm**

You can copy from user to user with "MX User Manager" . (Since you say nothing changes with a reset home).

Edit: Oh, now , since you reset it, nothing to copy using that software. Just copy manually one by one from backup and test (after a pkill X ) :)

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:40 pm**

Charlie Brown wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:23 pm You can copy from user to user with "MX User Manager" . (Since you say nothing changes with a reset home).

@Charlie Brown I'm not sure understand what you mean. I say (already verified) that a brand new account in the same system work fine haven't the problems I actually have.
Till now I did nothing new/reset anyway

Edit: Oh, now , since you reset it, nothing to copy using that software. Just copy manually one by one from backup and test (after a pkill X ) :)

?

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:58 pm**

I mean, normally you can copy from user to user, but since you did as Dolphin suggested, then nothing to copy, cause your previous settings are already gone. So, you can copy things one by one from your backup to the new user. (Then either logout, login or pkill X each time to make it take effect and see/catch the culprit)

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:21 am**

Charlie Brown wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:58 pm I mean, normally you can copy from user to user, but since you did as Dolphin suggested, then nothing to copy, cause your previous settings are already gone. So, you can copy things one by one from your backup to the new user. (Then either logout, login or pkill X each time to make it take effect and see/catch the culprit)

Right now I'm again on my default home sweet home :)). In my spare time I do the needed investigation and refer results here
Thank you @Charlie Brown

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:09 am**

Finally Home Sweet Home
What I did:

First thing first an integral copy(as near in the original as possible) of my home in a USB stick' The -a option did the trick
(same as -dR --preserve=all) ->
(-d: same as --no-dereference --preserve=links,
-R, -r, --recursive: copy directories recursively,
--preserve=all:
--preserve[=ATTR_LIST] preserve the specified attributes,
-p same as --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps,
--no-dereference --preserve=link
)
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```
sudo cp -a /home /media/harrykar
```
- My brother borrow me a 0.5TB stick identified in linux as sda with a partition sda1 of type c W95 FAT32(LBA).
  A first try to cp my home notifies me that stick's file system(i.e. FS fat32) was not capable to treat soft links so had to transform the sda1's FS's type to linux(i.e. from c to 83) trough t(i.e. type) fdisk's internal option. That's the so called "low level format":
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```
fdisk /dev/sda
```
- Create an ext4 FS(ext4 unlike MS Windows's FAT is obviously aware of soft links) in sda1 partition trough(t is for type of FS). That's the so called "high level format" or simply "format":
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```
sudo mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sda1
```

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:15 am**

Good job and glad you got it!

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:30 am**

Please mark the topic as 'solved' by clicking on the check mark beside the post that gave the solution.

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:39 am**

Finally Home Sweet Home

:))
What I did:

First thing first an integral copy(as near in the original as possible) of my home in a USB stick' The -a option did the trick
(same as -dR --preserve=all) ->
(-d: same as --no-dereference --preserve=links,
-R, -r, --recursive: copy directories recursively,
--preserve=all:
--preserve[=ATTR_LIST] preserve the specified attributes,
-p same as --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps,
--no-dereference --preserve=link
)
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```
sudo cp -a /home /media/harrykar
```
- But before copy let's prepare the storage device. My brother borrow me a 0.5TB stick identified in linux as sda with a partition sda1 of type c W95 FAT32(LBA).
  A first try to cp my home notifies me that stick's file system(i.e. FS fat32) was not capable to treat soft links so had to transform the sda1's FS's type to linux(i.e. from c to 83) trough t(i.e. type) fdisk's internal option. That's the so called "low level format":
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```
fdisk /dev/sda
```
- Create an ext4 FS(ext4 unlike MS Windows's FAT is obviously aware of soft links) in sda1 partition trough mkfs (t is for type of FS). That's the so called "high level format" or simply "format":
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```
sudo mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sda1
```

Copy in home the entire skeleton structure did the trick
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```
cp  -rb  /etc/skel/.??*  ~/
```

I would thank all you guys that contributed to solve that issue. Hoping that can help the next misadventure comrade to feel a bit better.

PS:
1) For more info about the meaning(there's a caveat regard globbing :P) of the aforementioned cmd see in the tips & tricks section here
2) Pic is pixelated because was heavy(~800KB) and was obliged to use gimp to lighten it up. Anyway that's the pixelated screen I got when used nomodeset in boot options as a workaround on system freeze issue on machine's restart . For more look in that thread

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:41 pm**

CharlesV wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:15 am Good job and glad you got it!

@CharlesV
Thanks mate indeed the mess was heavy(Actually I haven't more machines other than that notebook) so that initially I was ready to a system complete reinstall.
Now with calm I'm wondered what was that caused all that brothel, the first suspect(in order of timing coincidence and nothing more) is ActivityWatch as they also advertise(as would be in general for every application) that AW can't broken an entire system.
Now on I refer here everything related on that inconvenience

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:15 pm**

j2mcgreg wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:30 am Please mark the topic as 'solved' by clicking on the check mark beside the post that gave the solution.

Just did it thanks for have reminded me

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:55 pm**

harrykar wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:41 pm
CharlesV wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:15 am Good job and glad you got it!
@CharlesV
Thanks mate indeed the mess was heavy(Actually I haven't more machines other than that notebook) so that initially I was ready to a system complete reinstall.
Now with calm I'm wondered what was that caused all that brothel, the first suspect(in order of coincidence and nothing more) is ActivityWatch as they also advertise(as would be in general for every application) that AW can't broken an entire system.
Now on I refer here everything related on that inconvenience

Not convinced it was ActivityWatch as I have seen this same result a couple of times now, but it is indeed interesting and as I said I am not too hot on believing a coincidence :-)

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:48 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:15 am possbily removing any saved sessions as well. sometimes it can stupidly remember that things like the desktop or the panel are not running, and so they won't be later on session restore.

After have restored the system I would try to analyze(at a lazy pace) the inconvenience.
So here's the session 2 available logs(x-session.errors) of today IIRC system's restore with few errors, early morning when booted up the system I saw one log(x-session.errors) full of errors unfortunatelly not copy/pasted
@dolphin_oracle If you can devise something interesting let me know
TIA

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Xsession: X session started for harrykar at Tue Jan 30 11:28:36 AM EET 2024
dbus-update-activation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DISPLAY=:0
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XAUTHORITY=/home/harrykar/.Xauthority
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
localuser:harrykar being added to access control list
dbus-update-activation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GTK_MODULES=canberra-gtk-module:gail:atk-bridge
dbus-update-activation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
dbus-update-activation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_SCALE_FACTOR=1
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting USER=harrykar
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting HOME=/home/harrykar
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GTK_MODULES=canberra-gtk-module:gail:atk-bridge
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/tmp/dbus-6Q7y8viUKl,guid=f2d4e4d450863bf3c03921f165b8c145
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting LOGNAME=harrykar
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GDM_LANG=en_US.utf8
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DISPLAY=:0
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting LANG=en_US.UTF-8
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xfce
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XAUTHORITY=/home/harrykar/.Xauthority
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm/data/harrykar
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting SHELL=/bin/bash
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GDMSESSION=xfce
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_LOGGING_RULES=qt.qpa.xcb.warning=false
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PWD=/home/harrykar
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/xfce4:/home/harrykar/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_PLATFORM_PLUGIN=gtk2
VirtualBox Additions disabled, not in a Virtual Machine
/usr/bin/startxfce4: X server already running on display :0
/usr/bin/iceauth:  creating new authority file /run/user/1000/ICEauthority
xfce4-session-Message: 11:28:37.703: SSH authentication agent is already running
xfsettingsd: Another instance took over. Leaving...
xfsettingsd: No window manager registered on screen 0.

(xfsettingsd:2710): xfsettingsd-WARNING **: 11:28:42.878: Failed to get the _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS property.
xfce4-panel: No window manager registered on screen 0. To start the panel without this check, run with --disable-wm-check.
No window manager registered on screen 0. To start the xfdesktop without this check, run with --disable-wm-check.

** (wrapper-2.0:9736): WARNING **: 11:28:43.276: No outputs have backlight property

(xfce4-session:2502): xfce4-session-WARNING **: 11:28:43.495: Unable to launch "/usr/lib/apt-notifier/modules/apt-notifier.py": Failed to execute child process “/usr/lib/apt-notifier/modules/apt-notifier.py” (Permission denied)
Xfce power manager is not running

(xfce4-power-manager:9786): xfce4-power-manager-WARNING **: 11:28:43.611: could not map keysym 1008ffa8 to keycode


** (xfce4-power-manager:9786): WARNING **: 11:28:43.618: No outputs have backlight property

(xfce4-power-manager:9786): xfce4-power-manager-WARNING **: 11:28:43.622: It seems the kernel brightness switch handling value was not restored properly on exit last time, xfce4-power-manager will try to restore it this time.
xfce4-power-manager-Message: 11:28:43.636: Set kernel brightness switch to 0

(xfce4-power-manager:9786): xfce4-power-manager-WARNING **: 11:28:43.640: Failed to get keyboard max brightness level : GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Object does not exist at path “/org/freedesktop/UPower/KbdBacklight”

(xfce4-power-manager:9786): xfconf-WARNING **: 11:28:43.640: Failed to set property "xfce4-power-manager::/xfce4-power-manager/brightness-switch": Operation was cancelled
xfce4-power-manager-Message: 11:28:43.654: Set kernel brightness switch to 0
** Message: 11:28:43.686: couldn't access control socket: /run/user/1000/keyring/control: No such file or directory
discover_other_daemon: 0No keyboard layout specified on the command line
Trailing -layout option ignored
only one keyboard

(xfce4-session:2502): xfce4-session-WARNING **: 11:28:43.752: Unable to launch "xfce4-screensaver" (specified by autostart/xfce4-screensaver.desktop): Failed to execute child process “xfce4-screensaver” (No such file or directory)
arguement is:  

init [5]
start pipewire

(xfce4-session:2502): Wnck-CRITICAL **: 11:28:43.823: wnck_workspace_activate: assertion 'WNCK_IS_WORKSPACE (space)' failed
[W][00040.351227] mod.jackdbus-detect | [module-jackdbus-:  216 on_is_started_received()] Failed to receive jackdbus reply: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.jackaudio.service was not provided by any .service files

** (xfce4-clipman:9842): WARNING **: 11:28:43.879: Unable to register GApplication: An object is already exported for the interface org.gtk.Application at /org/xfce/clipman

(xfce4-clipman:9842): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 11:28:43.879: g_application_get_is_remote: assertion 'application->priv->is_registered' failed

(xfce4-clipman:9842): GLib-WARNING **: 11:28:43.879: g_set_application_name() called multiple times
Xfce Power Manager: Another power manager is already running
Another notification daemon is running, exiting
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
ls: cannot access '/home/harrykar/.config/MX-Linux/MX-Tweak/brightness': No such file or directory
[0:00:42.500115460] [10620] [1;33m WARN [1;37mIPAManager [1;34mipa_manager.cpp:154 [0mNo IPA found in '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamera'
[0:00:42.500224524] [10620] [1;32m INFO [1;37mCamera [1;34mcamera_manager.cpp:299 [0mlibcamera v0.0.3
libva info: VA-API version 1.18.0
libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so
libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_17
libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
[0:00:42.882771884] [9978] [1;33m WARN [1;37mIPAManager [1;34mipa_manager.cpp:154 [0mNo IPA found in '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamera'
[0:00:42.882828821] [9978] [1;32m INFO [1;37mCamera [1;34mcamera_manager.cpp:299 [0mlibcamera v0.0.3
W 11:28:46.421677 m-portal-permissio ../modules/module-portal-permissionstore.c:63:wp_portal_permissionstore_plugin_lookup: <WpPortalPermissionStorePlugin:0x55791c73fa00> Failed to call Lookup: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.portal.Error.NotFound: No entry for camera
W 11:28:46.422437 m-portal-permissio ../modules/module-portal-permissionstore.c:63:wp_portal_permissionstore_plugin_lookup: <WpPortalPermissionStorePlugin:0x55791c73fa00> Failed to call Lookup: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.portal.Error.NotFound: No entry for camera
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
Cleanup-notifier: available space at '/boot' 577 MiB
conky: no process found
conky: desktop window (79c) is root window
conky: window type - normal
conky: drawing to created window (0x4c00002)
conky: drawing to double buffer

(xfce4-terminal:14159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:33.970: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'GtkMenu'

(xfce4-terminal:14159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:33.971: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'GtkContainer'

(xfce4-terminal:14159): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 12:48:33.971: gtk_container_foreach: assertion 'GTK_IS_CONTAINER (container)' failed

(xfce4-terminal:14159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:33.971: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'GtkMenuShell'

(xfce4-terminal:14159): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 12:48:33.971: gtk_menu_shell_insert: assertion 'GTK_IS_MENU_SHELL (menu_shell)' failed

(xfce4-terminal:14159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:33.971: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'GtkMenuShell'

(xfce4-terminal:14159): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 12:48:33.971: gtk_menu_shell_insert: assertion 'GTK_IS_MENU_SHELL (menu_shell)' failed

(xfce4-terminal:14159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:33.971: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'GtkMenuShell'

(xfce4-terminal:14159): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 12:48:33.971: gtk_menu_shell_insert: assertion 'GTK_IS_MENU_SHELL (menu_shell)' failed

(xfce4-terminal:14159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:33.971: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'GtkMenuShell'

(xfce4-terminal:14159): libxfce4ui-CRITICAL **: 12:48:33.971: IA__xfce_gtk_menu_append_seperator: assertion 'GTK_IS_MENU_SHELL (menu)' failed

(xfce4-terminal:14159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:33.971: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'GtkMenuShell'

(xfce4-terminal:14159): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 12:48:33.971: gtk_menu_shell_insert: assertion 'GTK_IS_MENU_SHELL (menu_shell)' failed

(xfce4-terminal:14159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:33.971: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'GtkMenuShell'

(xfce4-terminal:14159): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 12:48:33.971: gtk_menu_shell_insert: assertion 'GTK_IS_MENU_SHELL (menu_shell)' failed

(xfce4-terminal:14159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:33.971: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'GtkMenuShell'

(xfce4-terminal:14159): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 12:48:33.971: gtk_menu_shell_insert: assertion 'GTK_IS_MENU_SHELL (menu_shell)' failed

(xfce4-terminal:14159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:33.971: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'GtkWidget'

(xfce4-terminal:14159): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 12:48:33.971: gtk_widget_show_all: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
xfce4-power-manager-Message: 12:48:34.006: Restored brightness switch value to: 1

(xfce4-session:2502): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:48:34.516: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to 'XfsmManager'
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
xscreensaver-systemd: 12:48:34: X connection closed
M 12:48:34.536063        wireplumber ../src/main.c:372:signal_handler: stopped by signal: Terminated
M 12:48:34.540508        wireplumber ../src/main.c:364:on_disconnected: disconnected from pipewire
conky: X Error: Display 55a0e226d750

[1:25:04.679356245] [9978] [1;33m WARN [1;37mIPAManager [1;34mipa_manager.cpp:154 [0mNo IPA found in '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamera'
[1:25:04.679426043] [9978] [1;32m INFO [1;37mCamera [1;34mcamera_manager.cpp:299 [0mlibcamera v0.0.3

Here's certainly after system's restored I guess

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Xsession: X session started for harrykar at Tue Jan 30 12:53:04 PM EET 2024
dbus-update-activation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DISPLAY=:0
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XAUTHORITY=/home/harrykar/.Xauthority
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
localuser:harrykar being added to access control list
dbus-update-activation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GTK_MODULES=canberra-gtk-module:gail:atk-bridge
dbus-update-activation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
dbus-update-activation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_SCALE_FACTOR=1
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting USER=harrykar
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting HOME=/home/harrykar
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GTK_MODULES=canberra-gtk-module:gail:atk-bridge
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/tmp/dbus-USZONG6jGu,guid=1872fe0d7a1f129afc3851e065b8d510
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting LOGNAME=harrykar
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GDM_LANG=en_US.utf8
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session1
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DISPLAY=:0
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting LANG=en_US.UTF-8
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xfce
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XAUTHORITY=/home/harrykar/.Xauthority
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm/data/harrykar
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting SHELL=/bin/bash
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GDMSESSION=xfce
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_LOGGING_RULES=qt.qpa.xcb.warning=false
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PWD=/home/harrykar
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/xfce4:/home/harrykar/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share
dbus-update-activation-environment: setting QT_PLATFORM_PLUGIN=gtk2
VirtualBox Additions disabled, not in a Virtual Machine
/usr/bin/startxfce4: X server already running on display :0

(xfce4-session:28615): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.014: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied
xfce4-session-Message: 12:53:05.021: SSH authentication agent is already running

(xfwm4:28773): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.051: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

(xfsettingsd:28793): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.183: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

(xfce4-panel:28797): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.337: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

(Thunar:28801): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.387: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

(wrapper-2.0:28807): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.495: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

(xfdesktop:28806): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.496: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

(wrapper-2.0:28809): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.499: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

(wrapper-2.0:28808): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.510: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

(wrapper-2.0:28810): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.517: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

(wrapper-2.0:28811): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.519: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

** (wrapper-2.0:28811): WARNING **: 12:53:05.522: No outputs have backlight property

(wrapper-2.0:28816): dbind-WARNING **: 12:53:05.523: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/108/at-spi/bus_0: Permission denied

(wrapper-2.0:28811): xfce4-power-manager-plugin-WARNING **: 12:53:05.553: Xfce4-power-manager: The panel plugin is present, so the tray icon gets disabled.
bluetooth found
discover_other_daemon: 1
(xfce4-session:28615): xfce4-session-WARNING **: 12:53:05.792: Unable to launch "xfce4-screensaver" (specified by autostart/xfce4-screensaver.desktop): Failed to execute child process “xfce4-screensaver” (No such file or directory)
No keyboard layout specified on the command line
Trailing -layout option ignored

only one keyboard
init [5]
start pipewire

** (xfce4-clipman:28868): WARNING **: 12:53:05.919: Unable to register GApplication: An object is already exported for the interface org.gtk.Application at /org/xfce/clipman

(xfce4-clipman:28868): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 12:53:05.919: g_application_get_is_remote: assertion 'application->priv->is_registered' failed

(xfce4-clipman:28868): GLib-WARNING **: 12:53:05.919: g_set_application_name() called multiple times
dbus-daemon[28939]: Activating service name='org.a11y.atspi.Registry' requested by ':1.1' (uid=1000 pid=28893 comm="/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentica")
Another notification daemon is running, exiting
dbus-daemon[28939]: Successfully activated service 'org.a11y.atspi.Registry'
SpiRegistry daemon is running with well-known name - org.a11y.atspi.Registry

(xfce4-power-manager:28914): xfce4-power-manager-WARNING **: 12:53:05.959: could not map keysym 1008ffa8 to keycode


** (xfce4-power-manager:28914): WARNING **: 12:53:05.970: No outputs have backlight property

(xfce4-power-manager:28914): xfce4-power-manager-WARNING **: 12:53:05.975: It seems the kernel brightness switch handling value was not restored properly on exit last time, xfce4-power-manager will try to restore it this time.
xfce4-power-manager-Message: 12:53:05.997: Set kernel brightness switch to 0

(xfce4-power-manager:28914): xfce4-power-manager-WARNING **: 12:53:06.003: Failed to get keyboard max brightness level : GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Object does not exist at path “/org/freedesktop/UPower/KbdBacklight”

(xfce4-power-manager:28914): xfconf-WARNING **: 12:53:06.003: Failed to set property "xfce4-power-manager::/xfce4-power-manager/brightness-switch": Operation was cancelled
xfce4-power-manager-Message: 12:53:06.023: Set kernel brightness switch to 0
blueman-applet 12.53.06 WARNING  PluginManager:151 __load_plugin: Not loading DhcpClient because its conflict has higher priority
blueman-applet 12.53.06 WARNING  PluginManager:151 __load_plugin: Not loading PPPSupport because its conflict has higher priority
ls: cannot access '/home/harrykar/.config/MX-Linux/MX-Tweak/brightness': No such file or directory
[1:25:04.436435266] [29216] [1;33m WARN [1;37mIPAManager [1;34mipa_manager.cpp:154 [0mNo IPA found in '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamera'
[1:25:04.436465410] [29216] [1;32m INFO [1;37mCamera [1;34mcamera_manager.cpp:299 [0mlibcamera v0.0.3
W 12:53:08.206262 m-portal-permissio ../modules/module-portal-permissionstore.c:63:wp_portal_permissionstore_plugin_lookup: <WpPortalPermissionStorePlugin:0x5647dfba7240> Failed to call Lookup: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.portal.Error.NotFound: No entry for camera
W 12:53:08.206782 m-portal-permissio ../modules/module-portal-permissionstore.c:63:wp_portal_permissionstore_plugin_lookup: <WpPortalPermissionStorePlugin:0x5647dfba7240> Failed to call Lookup: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.portal.Error.NotFound: No entry for camera

(wrapper-2.0:28810): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: 12:53:08.225: Unable to replace properties on 0: Error getting properties for ID
mx-welcome version: 21.08mx21
desktop is  "Xfce v: 4.18.1"
Cleanup-notifier: available space at '/boot' 577 MiB
conky: no process found
conky: desktop window (1a0002b) is subwindow of root window (79c)
conky: window type - normal
conky: drawing to created window (0x5400002)
conky: drawing to double buffer

** (xfce4-screenshooter:29413): WARNING **: 12:53:54.688: Failed to query file info: file:~/Pictures

** (xfce4-screenshooter:29413): WARNING **: 12:53:54.688: Invalid directory or permissions: file:~/Pictures
mx-welcome version: 21.08mx21
desktop is  "Xfce v: 4.18.1"
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.

(wrapper-2.0:28810): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: 13:12:41.414: Unable to replace properties on 0: Error getting properties for ID
nm-applet-Message: 13:13:23.941: No keyring secrets found for WIND_789AB4/802-11-wireless-security; asking user.
libva info: VA-API version 1.18.0
libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so
libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_17
libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.

(wrapper-2.0:28810): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: 13:29:58.108: Unable to replace properties on 0: Error getting properties for ID

(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:28893): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: 13:41:22.872: Couldn't open user icon: Failed to open file “/home/harrykar/.face”: No such file or directory

(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:28893): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: 13:41:22.874: Couldn't open user icon: Failed to open file “/home/harry/.face”: Permission denied

(wrapper-2.0:28810): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: 13:42:30.247: Unable to replace properties on 0: Error getting properties for ID
mxpi-launcher version: 24.1
+++ void MainWindow::setProgressDialog() +++
+++ void MainWindow::setup() +++
dpkg-query -f '${Version}' -W flatpak
apt-get update --print-uris | grep -m1 -qE '/mx/testrepo/dists/bookworm/test/'
+++ void MainWindow::loadPmFiles() +++
+++ void MainWindow::refreshPopularApps() +++
+++ QStringList MainWindow::listInstalled() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::displayPopularApps() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::displayPackages() +++
+++ QHash<QString, VersionNumber> MainWindow::listInstalledVersions() +++
test -n "$(apt-get --dry-run autoremove |grep -Po '^Remv \K[^ ]+' )"
+++ void MainWindow::updateInterface() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::displayFlatpaks(bool) +++
+++ void MainWindow::listFlatpakRemotes() const +++
flatpak remote-list --system | cut -f1
+++ QStringList MainWindow::listFlatpaks(const QString&, const QString&) const +++
flatpak update --appstream
flatpak remote-ls --system flathub --arch=x86_64 --app --columns=ver,ref,installed-size 2>/dev/null
flatpak remote-ls --system flathub --arch=x86_64 --runtime --columns=branch,ref,installed-size 2>/dev/null
flatpak list --system 2>/dev/null --app --columns=ref
flatpak list --system 2>/dev/null --runtime --columns=ref
+++ void MainWindow::listSizeInstalledFP() +++
flatpak list --system --columns app,size
+++ void MainWindow::on_tabWidget_currentChanged(int) +++
+++ void MainWindow::setCurrentTree() +++
+++ void MainWindow::updateInterface() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::displayWarning(const QString&) +++
+++ void MainWindow::filterChanged(const QString&) +++
+++ QStringList MainWindow::listFlatpaks(const QString&, const QString&) const +++
flatpak remote-ls --system flathub --arch=x86_64 --app --columns=ver,ref,installed-size 2>/dev/null
+++ void MainWindow::displayFilteredFP(QStringList, bool) +++
+++ void MainWindow::on_tabWidget_currentChanged(int) +++
+++ void MainWindow::setCurrentTree() +++
+++ void MainWindow::updateInterface() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::on_tabWidget_currentChanged(int) +++
+++ void MainWindow::setCurrentTree() +++
+++ void MainWindow::updateInterface() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::on_tabWidget_currentChanged(int) +++
+++ void MainWindow::setCurrentTree() +++
+++ void MainWindow::updateInterface() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::on_pushInstall_clicked() +++
+++ void MainWindow::on_tabWidget_currentChanged(int) +++
+++ bool MainWindow::installPopularApps() +++
+++ bool MainWindow::updateApt() +++
pid=$(fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock 2>/dev/null); [[ -n "$pid" ]] && ps --no-headers -o comm -p $pid

(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:28893): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: 13:50:11.777: Couldn't open user icon: Failed to open file “/home/harrykar/.face”: No such file or directory

(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:28893): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: 13:50:11.778: Couldn't open user icon: Failed to open file “/home/harry/.face”: Permission denied
apt-get update -o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 -o Acquire::http:Timeout=10 -o Acquire::https:Timeout=10 -o Acquire::ftp:Timeout=10
"Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease"
"Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease"
"Hit:4 http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/mx/mx/repo bookworm InRelease"
"Hit:5 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports InRelease"
"Hit:3 https://deb.librewolf.net bookworm InRelease"
"Hit:6 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease"
"Hit:7 https://fasttrack.debian.net/debian bookworm-fasttrack InRelease"
"Reading package lists..."
""
sources updated OK
+++ bool MainWindow::installBatch(const QStringList&) +++
+++ bool MainWindow::install(const QString&) +++
+++ bool MainWindow::confirmActions(const QString&, const QString&) +++
names "gimp gimp-data gimp-data-extras gimp-cbmplugs gimp-gluas gimp-gmic gimp-lensfun gimp-plugin-registry gimp-texturize " and ()
DEBIAN_FRONTEND=$(dpkg -l debconf-kde-helper 2>/dev/null | grep -sq ^i && echo kde || echo gnome) LANG=C apt-get -s -V -o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 install --reinstall gimp gimp-data gimp-data-extras gimp-cbmplugs gimp-gluas gimp-gmic gimp-lensfun gimp-plugin-registry gimp-texturize |grep 'Inst\|Remv'| awk '{V=""; P="";}; $3 ~ /^\[/ { V=$3 }; $3 ~ /^\(/ { P=$3 ")"}; $4 ~ /^\(/ {P=" => " $4 ")"};  {print $2 ";" V  P ";" $1}'
"gdal-data;(3.6.2+dfsg-1);Inst\ngdal-plugins;(3.6.2+dfsg-1+b2);Inst\nlibbabl-0.1-0;(1:0.1.98-1+b1);Inst\nlibamd2;(1:5.12.0+dfsg-2);Inst\nlibcamd2;(1:5.12.0+dfsg-2);Inst\nlibccolamd2;(1:5.12.0+dfsg-2);Inst\nlibmetis5;(5.1.0.dfsg-7);Inst\nlibcholmod3;(1:5.12.0+dfsg-2);Inst\nlibumfpack5;(1:5.12.0+dfsg-2);Inst\nlibgegl-common;(1:0.4.42-2);Inst\nlibgegl-0.4-0;(1:0.4.42-2);Inst\nlibgexiv2-2;(0.14.0-1+b1);Inst\nlibgimp2.0;(2.10.34-1+deb12u2);Inst\ngimp-data;(2.10.34-1+deb12u2);Inst\nlibann0;(1.1.2+doc-9+b1);Inst\nlibcdt5;(2.42.2-7+b3);Inst\nlibcgraph6;(2.42.2-7+b3);Inst\nlibgts-0.7-5;(0.7.6+darcs121130-5+b1);Inst\nlibpathplan4;(2.42.2-7+b3);Inst\nlibgvc6;(2.42.2-7+b3);Inst\nlibgvpr2;(2.42.2-7+b3);Inst\nliblab-gamut1;(2.42.2-7+b3);Inst\ngraphviz;(2.42.2-7+b3);Inst\nlibmypaint-common;(1.6.0-2);Inst\nlibmypaint-1.5-1;(1.6.0-2);Inst\nlibwmflite-0.2-7;(0.2.12-5.1);Inst\nlibwmf-0.2-7;(0.2.12-5.1);Inst\ngimp;(2.10.34-1+deb12u2);Inst\ngimp-cbmplugs;(1.2.2-1.2);Inst\ngimp-data-extras;(1:2.0.2-1.1);Inst\ngimp-gluas;(0.1.20-2);Inst\nlibgraphicsmagick-q16-3;(1.4+really1.3.40-4);Inst\nlibgraphicsmagick++-q16-12;(1.4+really1.3.40-4);Inst\nlibarpack2;(3.8.0-3);Inst\nlibsuperlu5;(5.3.0+dfsg1-2+b1);Inst\nlibarmadillo11;(1:11.4.2+dfsg-1);Inst\nlibblosc1;(1.21.3+ds-1);Inst\nlibcfitsio10;(4.2.0-3);Inst\nlibfreexl1;(1.0.6-2);Inst\nlibfyba0;(4.1.1-8);Inst\nlibgeos3.11.1;(3.11.1-1);Inst\nlibgeos-c1v5;(3.11.1-1);Inst\nproj-data;(9.1.1-1);Inst\nlibproj25;(9.1.1-1+b1);Inst\nlibgeotiff5;(1.7.1-2+b1);Inst\nlibhdf4-0-alt;(4.2.15-5);Inst\nlibaec0;(1.0.6-1+b1);Inst\nlibsz2;(1.0.6-1+b1);Inst\nlibhdf5-103-1;(1.10.8+repack1-1);Inst\nliburiparser1;(0.9.7+dfsg-2);Inst\nlibkmlbase1;(1.3.0-10);Inst\nlibkmldom1;(1.3.0-10);Inst\nlibkmlengine1;(1.3.0-10);Inst\nmysql-common;(5.8+1.1.0);Inst\nmariadb-common;(1:10.11.4-1~deb12u1);Inst\nlibmariadb3;(1:10.11.4-1~deb12u1);Inst\nlibhdf5-hl-100;(1.10.8+repack1-1);Inst\nlibnetcdf19;(1:4.9.0-3+b1);Inst\nlibodbc2;(2.3.11-2+deb12u1);Inst\nunixodbc-common;(2.3.11-2+deb12u1);Inst\nlibodbcinst2;(2.3.11-2+deb12u1);Inst\nlibogdi4.1;(4.1.0+ds-6);Inst\nlibpq5;(15.5-0+deb12u1);Inst\nlibqhull-r8.0;(2020.2-5);Inst\nlibrttopo1;(1.1.0-3);Inst\nlibspatialite7;(5.0.1-3);Inst\nlibxerces-c3.2;(3.2.4+debian-1);Inst\nlibgdal32;(3.6.2+dfsg-1+b2);Inst\nlibcharls2;(2.4.1-1);Inst\nlibsocket++1;(1.12.13+git20131030.5d039ba-1+b1);Inst\nlibgdcm3.0;(3.0.21-1);Inst\nlibopencv-imgcodecs406;(4.6.0+dfsg-12);Inst\nlibopencv-videoio406;(4.6.0+dfsg-12);Inst\nlibgmic1;(2.9.4-4+b4);Inst\ngimp-gmic;(2.9.4-4+b4);Inst\nliblensfun-data-v1;(0.3.3-1);Inst\nliblensfun1;(0.3.3-1);Inst\ngimp-lensfun;(0.2.4-1.1);Inst\nlibtiff-tools;(4.5.0-6+deb12u1);Inst\ngimp-plugin-registry;(9.20200928+b1);Inst\ngimp-texturize;(2.2-3);Inst"
DEBIAN_FRONTEND=$(dpkg -l debconf-kde-helper 2>/dev/null | grep -sq ^i && echo kde || echo gnome) LANG=C aptitude -sy -V -o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 install --without-recommends gimp gimp-data gimp-data-extras gimp-cbmplugs gimp-gluas gimp-gmic gimp-lensfun gimp-plugin-registry gimp-texturize  |tail -2 |head -1
"Need to get 64.3 MB of archives. After unpacking 279 MB will be used."
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+++ bool MainWindow::buildPackageLists(bool) +++
+++ void MainWindow::clearUi() +++
+++ bool MainWindow::downloadPackageList(bool) +++
+++ bool MainWindow::readPackageList(bool) +++
+++ void MainWindow::displayPackages() +++
+++ QHash<QString, VersionNumber> MainWindow::listInstalledVersions() +++
test -n "$(apt-get --dry-run autoremove |grep -Po '^Remv \K[^ ]+' )"
+++ void MainWindow::updateInterface() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::refreshPopularApps() +++
+++ QStringList MainWindow::listInstalled() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::displayPopularApps() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::on_tabWidget_currentChanged(int) +++
+++ void MainWindow::setCurrentTree() +++
+++ void MainWindow::updateInterface() const +++
+++ void MainWindow::on_pushInstall_clicked() +++
+++ void MainWindow::on_tabWidget_currentChanged(int) +++
+++ bool MainWindow::installPopularApps() +++
+++ bool MainWindow::installBatch(const QStringList&) +++
+++ bool MainWindow::install(const QString&) +++
+++ bool MainWindow::confirmActions(const QString&, const QString&) +++
names "gimp " and ()
DEBIAN_FRONTEND=$(dpkg -l debconf-kde-helper 2>/dev/null | grep -sq ^i && echo kde || echo gnome) LANG=C apt-get -s -V -o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 install --reinstall gimp |grep 'Inst\|Remv'| awk '{V=""; P="";}; $3 ~ /^\[/ { V=$3 }; $3 ~ /^\(/ { P=$3 ")"}; $4 ~ /^\(/ {P=" => " $4 ")"};  {print $2 ";" V  P ";" $1}'
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Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:23 am**

CharlesV wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:55 pm
harrykar wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:41 pm
CharlesV wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:15 am Good job and glad you got it!
@CharlesV
Thanks mate indeed the mess was heavy(Actually I haven't more machines other than that notebook) so that initially I was ready to a system complete reinstall.
Now with calm I'm wondered what was that caused all that brothel, the first suspect(in order of coincidence and nothing more) is ActivityWatch as they also advertise(as would be in general for every application) that AW can't broken an entire system.
Now on I refer here everything related on that inconvenience
Not convinced it was ActivityWatch as I have seen this same result a couple of times now, but it is indeed interesting and as I said I am not too hot on believing a coincidence :-)

@CharlesV Where? only in MX's boxes or in other Linux distros too?

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:00 am**

Why the $PATH in VT is different than that on pseudoterminal?(for now --after system's recover I used only suspend the system not shutdown,restart-- is empty )

Why in VT $PATH include those paths to kernel? I'm sure in pst(after a little I rename the new /etc/skel/ .profile and .bashrc and use my original and verify) those kernel paths are absent

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/home/harrykar/bin:/usr/src/linux-headers-6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64/tools/power/x86/x86_energy_perf_policy:/usr/src/linux-headers-6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64/tools/power/x86/turbostat:/usr/src/linux-headers-6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64/tools/power/cpupower:/usr/src/linux-headers-6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64/tools/perf:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/sbin:/usr/sbin

=========================================================================

Update 1:
After have renamed the /etc/skel and did the first logout login after recover .local, .config, .bashrc, .profile now are in use my old dotties seems all good so far
(is lost only the windows focus catch on touchpad cursor,
the terminal I had in panel,
the keybord languages in panel,
xscreensaver show a black screen --was enough CTRL+ALT+delete and password to recover xscreensaver's multicolor screens -- and
some files icons I had on desktop is now shuffled not big deal)

I last .conky and .cache for a next time. because my .conky seems the same as that of /etc/skel (I really not touched it after system install) and .cache is not important and moreover is often source of problems

Regard $PATH:
$PATH in pst

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harrykar@mx:~
$ echo $PATH
/home/harrykar/bin:/usr/local/lib/nodejs/node-v20.11.0-linux-x64/bin:/home/harrykar/go/bin:/usr/local/go/bin:/home/harrykar/.cargo/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/sbin:/usr/sbin

$PATH in VT

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/home/harrykar/bin:/home/harrykar/bin:/usr/local/lib/nodejs/node-v20.11.0-linux-x64/bin:/home/harrykar/go/bin:/usr/local/go/bin:/home/harrykar/.cargo/bin:/usr/src/linux-headers-6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64/tools/power/x86/x86_energy_perf_policy:/usr/src/linux-headers-6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64/tools/power/x86/turbostat:/usr/src/linux-headers-6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64/tools/power/cpupower:/usr/src/linux-headers-6.6.12-1-liquorix-amd64/tools/perf:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/sbin:/usr/sbin

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Update 2:
I renamed .cache to my old folder and I saw all the mess I experienced 2 days ago. Moreover now for some reason pseudoterminal not get focus at all so I had to rename it again trough VT. If someone more experienced want investigate further I can send it.

Result:
Something in .cache been corrupted. If I knew that in time before do anything else probably would enough remove only that dir to return in normality.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:35 am**

harrykar wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:23 am
CharlesV wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:55 pm
Not convinced it was ActivityWatch as I have seen this same result a couple of times now, but it is indeed interesting and as I said I am not too hot on believing a coincidence :-)
@CharlesV Where? only in MX's boxes or in other Linux distros too?

I have seen this in two mx21 xfce machines, one of mine (which has done it twice) and then in one machine I support.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:00 pm**

I can think of a few ways to screw up a desktop, besides just random crashes. the easiest would be modification of privileges on files in the home folder, or the home folder itself, and not necessarily desktop config files. a sudo operation in the wrong place could change a permission or an ownership, and then all heck breaks loose.

its one reason we got rid of some right-click options to change file permissions and ownership that long ago we had. They were dangerous for both skilled and unskilled users alike. and a reason we do not ship with bleachbit installed and why the much safer mx-cleanup was born.

not saying an issue like that is in play here, but back in the day users would report problems on multiple machines and it often came down to the same ownership change being done on all machines.

something to consider anyway.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:56 pm**

CharlesV wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:35 am
harrykar wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:23 am
CharlesV wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:55 pm
Not convinced it was ActivityWatch as I have seen this same result a couple of times now, but it is indeed interesting and as I said I am not too hot on believing a coincidence :-)
@CharlesV Where? only in MX's boxes or in other Linux distros too?
I have seen this in two mx21 xfce machines, one of mine (which has done it twice) and then in one machine I support.

So as I can understand the point is if is a xfce or MX's problem

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:57 pm**

pretty sure this is an XFCE issue

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:20 pm**

CharlesV wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:57 pm pretty sure this is an XFCE issue

What u did in that occasion? you tried to understand what happened? someone reported the issue in xfce team?

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:14 pm**

I remember finding topics in the xfce forums, for me the fix was to restore my config ( timeshift - I back up my configs) The weird thing on one of mine was there was no updates or anything it was a reboot as the system was starting to leak memory ( I was up to 8gb used with nothing running ) .

The other one was after an update, but it rolled back perfectly .

My clients machine, I also restored timeshift - and they said there was 'nothing they did' .. but .. I take that with a grain.

All three times I had no real clue, only the update was questionable, and when I applied it again.. no issue.

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:43 am**

CharlesV wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:14 pm I remember finding topics in the xfce forums, for me the fix was to restore my config ( timeshift - I back up my configs) The weird thing on one of mine was there was no updates or anything it was a reboot as the system was starting to leak memory ( I was up to 8gb used with nothing running ) .

The other one was after an update, but it rolled back perfectly .

My clients machine, I also restored timeshift - and they said there was 'nothing they did' .. but .. I take that with a grain.

All three times I had no real clue, only the update was questionable, and when I applied it again.. no issue.

@CharlesV OK next time you & others who experience that inconvenience first thing first try to rename .cache dir and reboot or maybe only logout/relogin in your box.
As last step I have to take a glance in my messed backuped .cache dir to see if can understand something more about

PS: I noticed after system's restoration the screen becomes black when xscreensave have to operate. The first time I did CTRL+ALT+delete + xscreensave required password and saw xscreensave's multicolor screensavers.
But if shutdown and start the system the screen (in screensave's operating time) is always black. You have a clue about how to restore the normal behaviour?

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:48 am**

CharlesV wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:14 pm I remember finding topics in the xfce forums, for me the fix was to restore my config ( timeshift - I back up my configs) The weird thing on one of mine was there was no updates or anything it was a reboot as the system was starting to leak memory ( I was up to 8gb used with nothing running ) .

The other one was after an update, but it rolled back perfectly .

My clients machine, I also restored timeshift - and they said there was 'nothing they did' .. but .. I take that with a grain.

All three times I had no real clue, only the update was questionable, and when I applied it again.. no issue.

@CharlesV OK next time you, I & others who experience that inconvenience first thing first to try is to rename .cache dir and reboot (or maybe only logout/relogin might be enough don't remember when .cash dir is generated) in your box.
As a last step I have to take a glance in my messed backuped .cache dir to see if can understand something more about.

What tool you use for home's backup? Timeshift as I understand is used only for system's backup/recover and is not recommended for home

PS: I noticed after system's restoration the screen becomes black when xscreensave have to operate. The first time I did CTRL+ALT+delete + xscreensave required password and saw xscreensave's multicolor screensavers til shoutdown.
But after a shutdown when the system start the screen (in screensave's operating time) is always black(and continue to be black if I last it as is). You have a clue about how to restore the normal behaviour?

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:56 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:00 pm I can think of a few ways to screw up a desktop, besides just random crashes. the easiest would be modification of privileges on files in the home folder, or the home folder itself, and not necessarily desktop config files. a sudo operation in the wrong place could change a permission or an ownership, and then all heck breaks loose.

its one reason we got rid of some right-click options to change file permissions and ownership that long ago we had. They were dangerous for both skilled and unskilled users alike. and a reason we do not ship with bleachbit installed and why the much safer mx-cleanup was born.

not saying an issue like that is in play here, but back in the day users would report problems on multiple machines and it often came down to the same ownership change being done on all machines.

something to consider anyway.

@dolphin_oracle Yeah as I can remember in my use case haven't tinkering with privileges.
For learning/knowledge sake can you provide a concrete example of your thesis?
TIA

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:15 am**

harrykar wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:56 am
dolphin_oracle wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:00 pm I can think of a few ways to screw up a desktop, besides just random crashes. the easiest would be modification of privileges on files in the home folder, or the home folder itself, and not necessarily desktop config files. a sudo operation in the wrong place could change a permission or an ownership, and then all heck breaks loose.

its one reason we got rid of some right-click options to change file permissions and ownership that long ago we had. They were dangerous for both skilled and unskilled users alike. and a reason we do not ship with bleachbit installed and why the much safer mx-cleanup was born.

not saying an issue like that is in play here, but back in the day users would report problems on multiple machines and it often came down to the same ownership change being done on all machines.

something to consider anyway.
@dolphin_oracle Yeah as I can remember in my use case haven't tinkering with privileges.
For learning/knowledge sake can you provide a concrete example of your thesis?
TIA

well, if your home folder permissions are such that files can't be created in it by the user, then anything from X not starting to configs that won't update can happen.

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:20 am**

harrykar wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:48 am
@CharlesV OK next time you, I & others who experience that inconvenience first thing first to try is to rename .cache dir and reboot (or maybe only logout/relogin might be enough don't remember when .cash dir is generated) in your box.
As a last step I have to take a glance in my messed backuped .cache dir to see if can understand something more about.

What tool you use for home's backup? Timeshift as I understand is used only for system's backup/recover and is not recommended for home

PS: I noticed after system's restoration the screen becomes black when xscreensave have to operate. The first time I did CTRL+ALT+delete + xscreensave required password and saw xscreensave's multicolor screensavers til shoutdown.
But after a shutdown when the system start the screen (in screensave's operating time) is always black(and continue to be black if I last it as is). You have a clue about how to restore the normal behaviour?

Good to know and I will give this a try if it happens again.

Yes, I use Timeshift for a regular timed backup and then I have BackInTime for my big backup, and then SpiderOak backing up off site every 15 min. I run my /home a little different than most, carrying only confg's and a small amount of data there. 99% of my data ( docs, pictures, everything else) is on a completely different drive, and I have links to get there . ( ie my ~/Documents ~/Pictures etc are all symlinks )

Yes, people say not to use Timeshift to 'backup' your data. And I believe the main reason is that a restore will drop you BACK to where you were when it last run. (ie you LOSE all data since that timeshift! ) ... So.. easy to do as long as you remember, if your going to restore using TImeShift you either a) make another TImeShift right before you restore, or you copy out your entire ~/ ... and replace anything 'new' since that TimeShift that you restored. ( obviously ... better to NOT do this - but I like the timed save, and I have SpiderOak too.)

For your xscreensaver, there is a ~/.xscreensaver that holds all config data, I would remove that and see if it resolves your black saver. (also - mine does that on occasion, but is always good the next round - but then I rarely shut my machines down, locking them each time i walk away. )

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:14 pm**

Timeshift only save difference between files on the same disk, if the disk dies you don't have anything left to recover -- thus "not a backup" it's however good if you want to recover previous versions of file in case of non-disk related problems.

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:20 pm**

Adrian wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:14 pm Timeshift only save difference between files on the same disk, if the disk dies you don't have anything left to recover -- thus "not a backup" it's however good if you want to recover previous versions of file in case of non-disk related problems.

Precisely. In my case, its really all abut the system and the config files

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:00 pm**

CharlesV wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:20 am

Yes, I use Timeshift for a regular timed backup and then I have BackInTime for my big backup, and then SpiderOak backing up off site every 15 min. I run my /home a little different than most, carrying only confg's and a small amount of data there. 99% of my data ( docs, pictures, everything else) is on a completely different drive, and I have links to get there . ( ie my ~/Documents ~/Pictures etc are all symlinks )

Tnx for the hints. Tell me your opinion about BackInTime(was discontinued or remember bad?) and SpiderOak
You have used rsync ? If yes what's your opinion?

Yes, people say not to use Timeshift to 'backup' your data. And I believe the main reason is that a restore will drop you BACK to where you were when it last run. (ie you LOSE all data since that timeshift!)

As I thought about that on TimeShift(TS). But that's not the behaviour of other backup tools too?

... So.. easy to do as long as you remember, if your going to restore using TImeShift you either a) make another TImeShift right before you restore, or you copy out your entire ~/ ... and replace anything 'new' since that TimeShift that you restored. ( obviously ... better to NOT do this - but I like the timed save, and I have SpiderOak too.)

I'm not sure what you mean can you translate it in steps(1. 2. 3. etc)?
I Notice that TS do automatically a snapshot point before do a snaphot IIRC.
Note: On btrfs do (or restore from) a (till now did only system's) snapshot are literally a snap, really impressive IMHO.I Have to be more accustomed with that awesome tool

For your xscreensaver, there is a ~/.xscreensaver that holds all config data, I would remove that and see if it resolves your black saver. (also - mine does that on occasion, but is always good the next round - but then I rarely shut my machines down, locking them each time i walk away. )

Good strategy I will bare it in mind just in case because without do anything xscreensaver showed his colorful screens, maybe back screen is one of his screens?
I will observe it

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:15 pm**

Adrian wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:14 pm Timeshift only save difference between files on the same disk, if the disk dies you don't have anything left to recover -- thus "not a backup" it's however good if you want to recover previous versions of file in case of non-disk related problems.

@Adrian Thanks got it Timeshift behave like 'a hard link than can't go a out of a partition'

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:31 pm**

harrykar wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:00 pm
Tnx for the hints. Tell me your opinion about BackInTime(was discontinued or remember bad?) and SpiderOak
You have used rsync ? If yes what's your opinion?

BackInTime is currently under production. ( https://github.com/bit-team/backintime )

While I really like SpiderOak... it has started to become bogged down and problematic on several clients machines (windows - but the service ) .. I am currently evaluating it on my machines, but starting to fall out of favor with it - which is to bad as I *really* like it.

Looking at borgBase and Vorta.

I have used rsync, and it works well.. but I am more GUI driven and rsync was failing to write to my NAS (synology ).

As I thought about that on TimeShift(TS). But that's not the behaviour of other backup tools too?

Yes, it is really. However, I typically restore to some other location when I use the other backup utils - but yes you are correct.

... So.. easy to do as long as you remember, if your going to restore using TImeShift you either a) make another TImeShift right before you restore, or you copy out your entire ~/ ... and replace anything 'new' since that TimeShift that you restored. ( obviously ... better to NOT do this - but I like the timed save, and I have SpiderOak too.)

I'm not sure what you mean can you translate it in steps(1. 2. 3. etc)?

The safest way I have found to restore with timeshift is:
1) Make a new timeshift snapshot (saving current ) ( Call this one "snapshot of today" )
2) Restore previous timeshift ( call this one 'yesterdays')
3) after your all back up and good, then using fsearch and thunar pluck out of "snapshot of today" the files that are later than "yesterdays".

I Notice that TS do automatically a snapshot point before do a snaphot IIRC.
Note: On btrfs do (or restore from) a (till now did only system's) snapshot are literally a snap, really impressive IMHO.I Have to be more accustomed with that awesome tool

If your talking about MX snapshot, yes I agree. it is an awesome tool for keeping things rolling along. (I make one once a month minimum, or sooner if I feel the need ;-p )

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