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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9K3dqidho

I found this nice early review. A little fanboyish at times, but pretty good. Gives a great idea of what one should probably expect from Debian 13, and also just Debian in general.

Debian 13, "Trixie" brings several notable enhancements, including
official RISC-V architecture support,
a new Linux kernel 6.12 LTS,
updated desktop environments, and
improved security features.
It also introduces HTTP Boot support and continues the transition to reproducible builds.

key changes (hopefully MX support team will comment on their impact on MX-25):

1. Architecture Support:
Debian 13 officially supports the RISC-V 64-bit architecture for the first time, allowing users to run Debian on RISC-V hardware.
It continues to support other architectures like amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, ppc64el, and s390x, according to the Debian Wiki.

2. Kernel and Security:
The distribution is powered by the Linux 6.12 LTS kernel, which offers improved hardware support and long-term stability until December 2026.
New security features include hardening against ROP and COP/JOP attacks on AMD64 and ARM64 architectures, notes the Debian Wiki.
APT 3.0 is now the default package manager, and HTTP Boot is supported.

3. Desktop Environments:
Debian 13 includes updated versions of popular desktop environments like GNOME 48 and KDE Plasma 6.3.
GNOME 48 introduces features like digital wellbeing tools, better notifications, and a battery health preservation tool.
KDE Plasma 6.3 offers improved support for graphics tablets, fractional scaling, and more user-friendly notifications.

4. Other Notable Changes:
Debian 13 completes the 64-bit time_t ABI transition, which supports dates beyond the year 2038.
It features continued work on reproducible builds.

The package base has been refreshed, with over 11,000 new packages and many updated ones.

The default unit for disk partitioning has been changed from MB to GB, according to Debian.

Debian 13 offers initial and restricted support for rescuing Debian installed to a btrfs subvolume, according to Debian.

AA BB wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:26 am Debian 13, "Trixie" brings several notable enhancements, including
official RISC-V architecture support,
a new Linux kernel 6.12 LTS,
updated desktop environments, and
improved security features.
It also introduces HTTP Boot support and continues the transition to reproducible builds.

key changes (hopefully MX support team will comment on their impact on MX-25):

1. Architecture Support:
Debian 13 officially supports the RISC-V 64-bit architecture for the first time, allowing users to run Debian on RISC-V hardware.
It continues to support other architectures like amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, ppc64el, and s390x, according to the Debian Wiki.

2. Kernel and Security:
The distribution is powered by the Linux 6.12 LTS kernel, which offers improved hardware support and long-term stability until December 2026.
New security features include hardening against ROP and COP/JOP attacks on AMD64 and ARM64 architectures, notes the Debian Wiki.
APT 3.0 is now the default package manager, and HTTP Boot is supported.

3. Desktop Environments:
Debian 13 includes updated versions of popular desktop environments like GNOME 48 and KDE Plasma 6.3.
GNOME 48 introduces features like digital wellbeing tools, better notifications, and a battery health preservation tool.
KDE Plasma 6.3 offers improved support for graphics tablets, fractional scaling, and more user-friendly notifications.

4. Other Notable Changes:
Debian 13 completes the 64-bit time_t ABI transition, which supports dates beyond the year 2038.
It features continued work on reproducible builds.

The package base has been refreshed, with over 11,000 new packages and many updated ones.

The default unit for disk partitioning has been changed from MB to GB, according to Debian.

Debian 13 offers initial and restricted support for rescuing Debian installed to a btrfs subvolume, according to Debian.

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@AA BB Have you used AI to generate part of your post?

If so, kind reminder to review the forum rules: AI generated posts, code and respins are not allowed to be posted.

AA BB wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:26 am
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Debian 13 offers initial and restricted support for rescuing Debian installed to a btrfs subvolume, according to Debian.

Please post all links if that's what you are referencing to. Some of us might want to read it at a later time.

Eadwine Rose wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 12:44 pm @AA BB Have you used AI to generate part of your post?

If so, kind reminder to review the forum rules: AI generated posts, code and respins are not allowed to be posted.

code?

I have NOT used AI ... just web searches

AA BB wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:08 pm I have NOT used AI ... just web searches

If any of that is copy / paste, you should attribute it with links. Other wise it could be seen as plagiarism.

j2mcgreg wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:00 pm

AA BB wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:08 pm I have NOT used AI ... just web searches

If any of that is copy / paste, you should attribute it with links. Other wise it could be seen as plagiarism.

Oh, wow, didn't know this is homework assignment...

Hmmm,

Don't people paste snippets and quotes on forums all the time? There are times for attribution indeed and I appreciate the measured response on how to handle AI generated stuff but can't someone post a few lines about something we're all interested in?

Have you ever seen how many carbon-copy blog posts there are about any given Linux topic? One article gets posted and later dozens of Blogs post it verbatim, I don't think anyone is getting hassled about plagiarism in these cases..

AVLinux wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:35 pm Hmmm,

Don't people paste snippets and quotes on forums all the time? There are times for attribution indeed and I appreciate the measured response on how to handle AI generated stuff but can't someone post a few lines about something we're all interested in?

Have you ever seen how many carbon-copy blog posts there are about any given Linux topic, one article gets posted and later dozens of Blogs post it verbatim, I don't think anyone is getting hassled about plagiarism in these cases..

[[citation needed]]

Adrian wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:41 pm

AVLinux wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:35 pm Hmmm,

Don't people paste snippets and quotes on forums all the time? There are times for attribution indeed and I appreciate the measured response on how to handle AI generated stuff but can't someone post a few lines about something we're all interested in?

Have you ever seen how many carbon-copy blog posts there are about any given Linux topic, one article gets posted and later dozens of Blogs post it verbatim, I don't think anyone is getting hassled about plagiarism in these cases..

[[citation needed]]

Good one @Adrian!

AVLinux wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:35 pm Hmmm,

Don't people paste snippets and quotes on forums all the time? There are times for attribution indeed and I appreciate the measured response on how to handle AI generated stuff but can't someone post a few lines about something we're all interested in?

Have you ever seen how many carbon-copy blog posts there are about any given Linux topic? One article gets posted and later dozens of Blogs post it verbatim, I don't think anyone is getting hassled about plagiarism in these cases..

I see it as a means of differentiating between the poster's typed thoughts vs a paste of another person's. Yes, a minor misrepresentation, until it's not. Those times, as you've said likely never come.

In another area of my interests - if a poster copies a picture to a forum, from a website that had no attribution, people in the forum lose their collective minds. The OP found the image unattributed but still the OP gets slammed for such an unholy transgression. They treat it as theft of owned property. Occasionally the original photographer chimes in with full name, location and date. Almost always very kindly.

AA BB wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:08 pm I have NOT used AI ... just web searches

I think the problem here is not necessarily the content itself, but simply that it was pasted without any explanation whatsoever or anyone asking for it, so it's rather weird and abrupt and struck me as possible bot behavior.

Adrian wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:27 pm

j2mcgreg wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:00 pm

AA BB wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:08 pm I have NOT used AI ... just web searches

If any of that is copy / paste, you should attribute it with links. Other wise it could be seen as plagiarism.

Oh, wow, didn't know this is homework assignment...

All it is is to indicate where you got the information from and perhaps a link to the review/article/story etc. Not that difficult.

Wow!!! I don't think I've ever watched such an in-depth review before.
From the mention of the updated packages to the comparison of the new software to the previous versions.

That was well worth 30 minutes of my time.

AA BB wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:26 am
3. Desktop Environments:

GNOME 48 introduces features like digital wellbeing tools

I had to hunt for how to turn this off on my Android phone, interesting how the GNOME devs keep claiming they are not trying to be a phone-like environment.

AA BB wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:08 pm I have NOT used AI ... just web searches

We all need to be very careful when using content from the web and while you have used content you found through a web search, that content was most likely written by AI. It contains 31 hidden characters, has a plagiarism score of 85% probability and a written by AI score of 90%.

I highly recommend using cleanpaste to check any content you think is AI generated or plagiarised.

Below is the version modified by cleanpaste.org where AI Watermarks and plagiarism have been removed as much as possible.

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The latest iteration of Debian, known as "Trixie," brings forth a series of notable enhancements. These include official endorsement for the RISC-V architecture, an updated Linux kernel 6.12 LTS, redesigned desktop interfaces, and enhanced security features. Also, it introduces support for HTTP Boot and progresses in ensuring reproducible builds.

Key modifications comprise the following:
1. Support for Various Architectures: Debian 13 now officially supports the RISC-V 64-bit architecture, enabling users to utilize Debian on RISC-V hardware. It continues to provide backing for other architectures such as amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, ppc64el, and s390x.
2. Kernel and Security Enhancements: This release integrates the Linux 6.12 LTS kernel, improving hardware compatibility and guaranteeing stability until December 2026. Security enhancements include protection against ROP and COP/JOP threats on AMD64 and ARM64 architectures. APT 3.0 is now the default package manager, with the inclusion of HTTP Boot support.
3. Updates to Desktop Environments: Debian 13 showcases refreshed versions of popular desktop environments like GNOME 48 and KDE Plasma 6.3. GNOME 48 introduces features for digital well-being, enhanced notifications, and a battery health management tool. Meanwhile, KDE Plasma 6.3 improves support for graphic tablets, fractional scaling, and more user-friendly notifications.
4. Other Adjustments: Debian 13 completes the 64-bit time_t ABI transition, facilitating dates beyond 2038. Progress in reproducible builds is ongoing. The package selection has been refreshed, with the addition of over 11,000 new packages and numerous updates. The default unit for disk partitioning has been changed from MB to GB. Additionally, initial and limited support for rescuing Debian installations on a btrfs subvolume is now accessible.

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APA 7 or Footnotes?

I installed Trixie two days ago, but am not Gnome user, so will need to put aside some time, and try the xfce DE it came with, wherever that is.... the installer is not region rich, or MX nice, although Australia-Melbourne bit is easy for me...didn't like the way partitioning came very late and the interface to choose, didn't have a live session to Gpart of course...so just began again after preparing a partition elsewhere.

Mick

tascoast wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 6:06 am didn't have a live session to Gpart of course...

They have a LOAD of official live ISOs available, for different DEs and so on https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/13 ... so-hybrid/

Nokkaelaein wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 6:19 am

tascoast wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 6:06 am didn't have a live session to Gpart of course...

They have a LOAD of official live ISOs available, for different DEs and so on https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/13 ... so-hybrid/

Of course, I just grabbed the Gnome/xfce combo. I'm sure I would like using it and likely will look at Kali, for example, but that's just a comparison to MX. Getting a live iso might have been easier for first look set-up but I've seen a lot less friendly installers too,, Mint in particular, UI polish aside.

m_pav wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 9:09 pm ... content was most likely written by AI. It ... has a plagiarism score of 85% probability and a written by AI score of 90%.

The "plagiarism score" should be 100% since everything was "plagiarized" from the Debian release notes.
How is it possible to report factual Debian info without plagiarizing its released info ?

By implication, you are suggesting that MX-Forum posts having an AI scores greater than some number should be censored.

AA BB wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:13 am How is it possible to report factual Debian info without plagiarizing its released info ?

Just post links to where you get information from. I tend to bookmark stuff posted to the forum (that has links to it), so that I can read it at my time.

I worked with and now study cert level but have 2 Ba and a Ma, but good with a tractor, mechanics or propagation too! I am quite familiar with the academic integrity framework, as well as debates around AI. It is useful for grammar checking but the most important thing is that accredited courses deliver learning outcomes by scaffolding material, such that not engaging and taking shortcuts means you miss a lot and will never progress to higher education expectations and realities without a serious change in direction and approach and some critical thinking.

Even at cert 4 level, formal referencing is not expected but a link or some acknowledgement is needed, although many answers are simple lines, like name the legislation for privacy....

I delivered a range of workshops or informally encouraged,on the usual topics, breaking down questions, organizing files and folders, how to quote and paraphrase (only rare nursing or vet students Diploma upwards needed APA 7 or similar and teaching were very fussy, given the trajectory of these programs), plagiarism and others.

A link is helpful, as are readme.md files or code comments, or case notes, another thing I have a lot of experience in producing.

To give an analogy, I see a lot of camper groups online complain that a poster omitted the state, we, like a few colonials, have multiple Richmonds, Oatlands..., or other home country designations.

As we face another existential crisis, truth or AI, connecting information and provenance, veracity and version control will matter. It's what we do, if bloody badly, now, with many unfortunate and harmful consequences. That's what media studies taught me in this multi-point to multi-point communication clusterfest we have now.

Paging Snopes 2.1....

AA BB wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:13 am The "plagiarism score" should be 100% since everything was "plagiarized" from the Debian release notes.
How is it possible to report factual Debian info without plagiarizing its released info ?

By writing "from the Debian release notes" at the top before copy-pasting the long blurb.
Simply adding a link to the release notes instead of the blurb would also be sufficient.

When is a post just an advertorial? Much mainstream media is a space where news and advertising have become indistinguishable and we have long been editing movies to engineer product placement or replacement, or apply virtual advertising layers to track and field sporting events.

without some rules....
ref: viewtopic.php?p=255061#p255061
QED :)

IP gets a mention in there...

By writing "from the Debian release notes" at the top before copy-pasting the long blurb.
Simply adding a link to the release notes instead of the blurb would also be sufficient.

I like it.
Lock in Option B, 50 words and a link to more is the block tile way, right?

A bit of simple UX feedback from trying it works too.

As an aside, W3 Schools is great example of scaffolding learning, in their lessons.

For me, providing the link to the source is not so much about whether it's plagiarism/copyright breach to not provide it, but so that the reader can assess the correctness/accuracy of the relevant statement I'm making:

- is the source I'm using reliable?
- did I interpret/understand the source correctly?

I also do it for external images that I post on this forum.

It just seems considerate to me.

asqwerth wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:05 pm For me, providing the link to the source is not so much about whether it's plagiarism/copyright breach to not provide it, but so that the reader can assess the correctness/accuracy of the relevant statement I'm making:

- is the source I'm using reliable?
- did I interpret/understand the source correctly?

I also do it for external images that I post on this forum.

It just seems considerate to me.

Wise words I think, and really good points.

The point about image citation is easily understood as a publishing convention and academic requirement, when applied there.

see: https://apastyle.apa.org/style-grammar- ... es/figures
or
https://www.stylemanual.gov.au/content- ... les-images for online and accessibility considerations that would make many posts and information sources invisible to someone relying upon a screen-reader, for example.

AA BB wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:13 am By implication, you are suggesting that MX-Forum posts having an AI scores greater than some number should be censored.

Not even close.

The concern I have is that of AI's signature being embedded into everything it creates, therefore I am projecting into the future by examining trends that are always going to repeat themselves. Based on monetary greed and mans quest to get more, at some point in the future, some nong investor will decide they are not gaining enough revenue from their AI engines and start proceedings to claim rights of all such content created by it, thereby requiring all who are proven to hold such content to pay a tribute towards it or forfeit it altogether. Keep in mind their hidden signature is deeply embedded into everything it creates, so easily identifiable by a simple search with the right parameters.

The point of all this AI from the players, (not the plebs like us), is monetisation. Even going back just a handful of years, we can clearly see what has come of Online providers. Example, YT, which is smashing up big bold, in-your-face banners saying "ad blockers are not allowed on this platform" To them I say "who made you lord and king?" I'm already paying for some of your services, so get naffed. besides, I have no interest in most content creators junk so I rarely visit their platform.

All I am saying in all of this is, we need to be careful to remove the fingerprinting signature from AI generated content and where possible, take it as a que to re-write in more human terms, that is why I provided the example from cleanpaste and referenced them in so doing.

When I need a pic for an ad, I ask AI to make one for me and require it to be royalty free. I take said image and screenshot it at full resolution, then delete the image and edit it with GIMP so it becomes a derivative work. Let's face it, there is nothing new under the sun, so all that was will be again, so plagiarism is just a part of what and who we are. The more fingerprinting we can strip out of AI created content, the less vulnerable we will be on the day the investors try to cash-in and the further we will be from their wanton gaze.

Mark my words, this will happen and the day is not that far off and investors are already seeing reducing gains on their investments.

m_pav wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 4:09 pm some nong investor will decide they are not gaining enough revenue from their AI engines and start proceedings to claim rights of all such content created by it

Didn't the US Copyright Office say though that AI-created content is not valid for copyright?

Elysium? Without next-gen computing or power production, AI will be the reserve of the 1%, or less, unmotivated to change the increasingly asymmetrical wealth distribution patterns globally, the AI Corporate Entities relentless in their litigation and counteractions....

Careful folks, this thread is edging closer and closer to political debate. Either return to the topic or I will lock it.

Arnox wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 7:23 pm Didn't the US Copyright Office say though that AI-created content is not valid for copyright?

That they did, and yet it's super easy to obtain material from AI that is copyrighted elsewhere due to it being in the nature of a derivative work. When you dig deeper, you'll find the ruling is essentially a get out of jail free license and while that sounds great in the here and now, the future will show a slightly more in focus view. Keep in mind the US only contains 4.13% of the worlds population

I think we need to stop now because this topic has drifted and I guess I'm to blame for that

at least you have a nice mototcycle to escape with... :-))))