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I think it is too early to talk about X.org forks. I think X.org will be around for a long time. It's still the baseline that "just works". So I would say Trixie plus at least two more Debian releases with X.org support, possibly more.

I don't know how much hardware support is tied to X.org, but with Wayland "root-full implementation" you should be able to run a full X.org session inside Wayland and thus get Wayland hardware support. This is how some X.org-only window managers could survive in a Wayland world.

anticapitalista wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:41 am

Artim wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:37 am OpenMandriva and Devuan are enthusiastically backing XLibre, along with Artix and a couple of others, so I expect there to be plenty of support for this supposedly "lone wolf" effort to keep a great software project going.

Where is your evidence for this claim?

In the OpenMandriva forum, they've already added it to "cooker" (development), and Devuan posted in X:

That Devuan image is just some random post/rant posted on X.
There is no official mention of anything on their website or forum and no packages built or being built (unlike OpenMandriva and Artix).

If you say so... but I do hope they keep the software alive and healthy.
Here it is already in the Arch AUR... I think the first official release is June 21st.

I will probably drop Xorg and go Wayland completely in the KDE release, maybe not the next one, but the one after for sure. @Artim, if you have a problem with that, look for another distro.

I have no interest in incorporating a 40-year old technology that has lots of problems, not to mention the lack of trust in the developer -- apparently people at Xorg had to scramble to fix the mess that the leaving developer left behind https://www.phoronix.com/news/X.Org-Ser ... Of-Reverts

Adrian wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:21 am I will probably drop Xorg and go Wayland completely in the KDE release, maybe not the next one, but the one after for sure. @Artim, if you have a problem with that, look for another distro.

That's hardly necessary (yet). But I have been playing around with a desktop adaptation of FreeBSD just for fun. No systemd, no big corporate takeovers, no issues with X.

Adrian wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:21 am I will probably drop Xorg and go Wayland completely in the KDE release, maybe not the next one, but the one after for sure. @Artim, if you have a problem with that, look for another distro.

I have no interest in incorporating a 40-year old technology that has lots of problems, not to mention the lack of trust in the developer -- apparently people at Xorg had to scramble to fix the mess that the leaving developer left behind https://www.phoronix.com/news/X.Org-Ser ... Of-Reverts

Well, KDE won't give you the choice as it is dropping all Xorg support in a year or two.

The issue is really with desktops and window managers that do not (yet) support Wayland (the vast majority) including 2 that MX releases (Xfce and fluxbox).

That's a good point, but there's no reason for those desktop/window managers not to add Wayland support, Xfce has experimental support for Wayland.

Artim wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:32 am That's hardly necessary (yet). But I have been playing around with a desktop adaptation of FreeBSD just for fun. No systemd, no big corporate takeovers, no issues with X.

BSD rubs me the wrong way (it's not the license, I'm fine with that), I don't like the monolithic approach which usually they claim is their advantages, I am more of a "mix and match" fan.

Adrian wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 12:21 pm That's a good point, but there's no reason for those desktop/window managers not to add Wayland support, Xfce has experimental support for Wayland.

yeah but they do it by scraping their xfwm4 window manager.

for me, I'll worry about when I have to, and not before.