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Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:49 am
by Tarq
good greeting
I do not have a flash drive or any external media. What are my options for installation?
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:52 am
by Charlie Brown
If you have any other Linux installed, you can create a custom entry for Grub, then start MX "fromiso" .
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:16 am
by Tarq
Charlie Brown wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:52 am
If you have any other Linux installed, you can create a custom entry for Grub, then start MX "fromiso" .
Unfortunately, there is no Linux installed on one of the partitions on the hard drive
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:41 am
by j2mcgreg
What is the target machine?
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:06 am
by Tarq
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:41 am
What is the target machine?
Laptop, not server, etc
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:19 am
by Charlie Brown
Though this is not what you asked, you can install and use it on
VirtualBox on Windows.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:36 am
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:06 am
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:41 am
What is the target machine?
Laptop, not server, etc
And does the laptop also have an Operating System? And does it boot?
Please don't answer with just yes or no, rather give a bit more information
about the laptop which does "not have a flash drive or any external media."
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:45 am
by Tarq
This option is excluded because the virtual machine depends on the resources of the physical machine, which has poor performance
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:55 am
by Tarq
fehlix wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:36 am
Tarq wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:06 am
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:41 am
What is the target machine?
Laptop, not server, etc
And does the laptop also have an Operating System? And does it boot?
Please don't answer with just yes or no, rather give a bit more information
about the laptop which does "not have a flash drive or any external media."
Yes, it contains a Windows 10 Pro operating system with a 32-bit architecture. The boot is fine and is currently booting from it. The target device contains hardware and physical components from external media ports. It is also compatible with the requirements of the target operating system.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:56 am
by j2mcgreg
Tarq wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:06 am
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:41 am
What is the target machine?
Laptop, not server, etc
That's not enough information. You don't call a mechanic to fix your car without telling him the make and model.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:27 pm
by Charlie Brown
You can just request a friend or relative to borrow their usb stick for a short time (it can be even an old one, 4GB or so) , of course when there's nothing important in it (as it will be reformatted).. Then
use Rufus on Windows to write the MX iso, then boot with (after entering Bios settings and setting the Boot Sequence according to that, usb option before/above the hdd etc.. )
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:01 pm
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:55 am
fehlix wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:36 am
Tarq wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:06 am
Laptop, not server, etc
And does the laptop also have an Operating System? And does it boot?
Please don't answer with just yes or no, rather give a bit more information
about the laptop which does "not have a flash drive or any external media."
Yes, it contains a Windows 10 Pro operating system with a 32-bit architecture. The boot is fine and is currently booting from it. The target device contains hardware and physical components from external media ports. It is also compatible with the requirements of the target operating system.
OK, based on given information here a general way to
Install and Boot MX Linux from a 32bit based laptop with Windows Operating system
with legacy BIOS/MBR bootloader without any external boot media:
1st step:
* Prepare the target laptop: by creating at minimum 2 partitions:
a FAT-32 about 2-3-GB to hold the MX Linux ISO
and a
2nd one to be used for root-partition, choose simply FAT32 with windows,
the partition will be reformatted anyway during installation.
You can create more partitions if needed for extra /home and swap.
* next get latest MX-23.2 32bit ISO
and place it / copy onto the 1st newly create FAT-32 partition
* next get EasyBCD from NeoSmart and install,
wich allows to create BCD-boot entries shown with the Windows boot menu
and is able to boot from bootable Linux ISO files,
by utilizing grub's internal chainloader facility.
Any detailed questions, let us know.
+++EDIT+++
A 2nd alternative way is to use GRUB2WIN,
which allows to install GRUB boot loader and tools onto Windows,
where the generated GRUB menus (located on the Windows partition), are ready to be used
for adding an GRUB menu entry using MX LiveBoot feature "fromiso".
So you have at least two options, to proceed with out any external boot media.
PS: It may be easier to get a USB-thumb drive instead.
Good Luck
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:50 pm
by Tarq
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:56 am
Tarq wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:06 am
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:41 am
What is the target machine?
Laptop, not server, etc
That's not enough information. You don't call a mechanic to fix your car without telling him the make and model.
I did not mention the model of the device and its features because I made sure it was compatible with the system
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:53 pm
by Tarq
Charlie Brown wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:27 pm
You can just request a friend or relative to borrow their usb stick for a short time (it can be even an old one, 4GB or so) , of course when there's nothing important in it (as it will be reformatted).. Then
use Rufus on Windows to write the MX iso, then boot with (after entering Bios settings and setting the Boot Sequence according to that, usb option before/above the hdd etc.. )
This option is not available
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:54 pm
by Charlie Brown
Sadly no network installation on MX.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:58 pm
by Tarq
Charlie Brown wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:54 pm
Sadly no network installation on MX.
Bad news. I will try to install directly via the hard disk, as one of the members here said. I know that it is complicated, as is the case when installing over the network, but I think it may be less complicated. I will see what I can do.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:04 pm
by j2mcgreg
@Tarq
Until you tell us the make and model of your laptop, there's very little if anything we can help you with.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:28 pm
by j2mcgreg
@Tarq wrote:
I did not mention the model of the device and its features because I made sure it was compatible with the system
The rules of this forum (you have read the rules, right?) require that all help requests be accompanied by a Quick System Info (QSI) report. Since you are not in a position to provide a QSI yet, the very least you can do to comply is to give use the make and model of the target laptop.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:56 pm
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:58 pm
...I will try to install directly via the hard disk, as one of the members here said. I know that it is complicated, as is the case when installing over the network, but I think it may be less complicated. I will see what I can do.
Ok, in case you manage to get GRUB2WIN installed.
Here a 3rd way to get the ISO "Live"-booted.
in addtion to already mentioned way in above
post #13
On the 1st newly created FAT32 partition, create this first FAT partition with at least twice the size of the ISO.
And impotant do label the Partition as "MX-Linux", as we can use this label "MX-Linux" within the menuntry below.
Now extract the LiveISO, so you will have all the files on folder as found on the MX ISO.
Important folder is the "/antiX" directory, which holds the whole linux system in one big squashfs file.
So now effectively you have manually created a "Frugal Installation" of MX Linux.
You need now a GRUB menu entry to be able to boot into this "Frugal Installation",
e.g like this one:
Code: Select all
menuentry "MX 23.2 Libretto manual Frugal Install" {
insmod part_msdos
insmod fat
search --no-floppy --set=root --label MX-linux
linux /antiX/vmlinuz bdir=antiX blab=MX-Linux quiet splasht nosplash
initrd /antiX/initrd.gz
}
Use the above menu entry snipplet and add to GRUB2WIN's grub.cfg text-file at the end.
By this when selecting GRUB2WINS grub-menu from Windows Boot menu,
you would find this added menuentry "MX 23.2 Libretto manual Frugal Install"
to "frugal boot" into the extracted LiveISO.
HTH
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:28 pm
by DukeComposed
Tarq wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:50 pm
I did not mention the model of the device and its features because I made sure it was compatible with the system
Hi there,
There's a document called
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way that may be helpful to you for getting your issue resolved. Particularly the section titled
Be precise and informative about your problem. With the scant information you've provided, there isn't much anyone can suggest to resolve your issue without psychic powers. You've provided no details, no list of steps you took, and no steps for anyone else to try to reproduce the problem you're experiencing.
Best of luck to you installing Linux on hard mode.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:41 am
by Tarq
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:04 pm
@Tarq
Until you tell us the make and model of your laptop, there's very little if anything we can help you with.
I trust members of the Linux community, but you ask about the make and model of the device and do not ask about the device specifications, and I reserve that until security measures are taken
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:44 am
by Tarq
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:28 pm
@Tarq wrote:
I did not mention the model of the device and its features because I made sure it was compatible with the system
The rules of this forum (you have read the rules, right?) require that all help requests be accompanied by a Quick System Info (QSI) report. Since you are not in a position to provide a QSI yet, the very least you can do to comply is to give use the make and model of the target laptop.
Are Linux MX forum rules ignoring cybersecurity?
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:45 am
by Eadwine Rose
Please read the forum rules. We need the info to help you proper. If you do not provide the info we cannot help you.
Please provide your full QSI, otherwise I am locking this topic to avoid wasting peoples' time. Thanks.
Also: if you do not trust us, why are you asking questions here?
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:49 am
by siamhie
Tarq wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:49 am
good greeting
I do not have a flash drive or any external media. What are my options for installation?
Does this computer have any of the following? USB ports/DVD drive.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:03 pm
by j2mcgreg
Tarq wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:44 am
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:28 pm
@Tarq wrote:
I did not mention the model of the device and its features because I made sure it was compatible with the system
The rules of this forum (you have read the rules, right?) require that all help requests be accompanied by a Quick System Info (QSI) report. Since you are not in a position to provide a QSI yet, the very least you can do to comply is to give use the make and model of the target laptop.
Are Linux MX forum rules ignoring cybersecurity?
The QSI report is automatically scrubbed of all personal information.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:07 pm
by j2mcgreg
Tarq wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:41 am
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:04 pm
@Tarq
Until you tell us the make and model of your laptop, there's very little if anything we can help you with.
I trust members of the Linux community, but you ask about the make and model of the device and do not ask about the device specifications, and I reserve that until security measures are taken
We can get the device specifications from the manufacturers' websites.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:17 pm
by Eadwine Rose
I see you haven't been able to boot yet, sorry about the QSI, your response made it seem like you were refusing to share that.
In any case, please provide the requested information so we can help you, otherwise we are turning around in needless circles.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:21 pm
by Tarq
j2mcgreg wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:07 pm
Tarq wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:41 am
j2mcgreg wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:04 pm
@Tarq
Until you tell us the make and model of your laptop, there's very little if anything we can help you with.
I trust members of the Linux community, but you ask about the make and model of the device and do not ask about the device specifications, and I reserve that until security measures are taken
We can get the device specifications from the manufacturers' websites.
Yes, dear, but I am currently checking for device and software updates, etc., so I will provide you with the device specifications until I finish, do not worry.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:50 am
by Tarq
1st step:
OK, based on given information here a general way to
Install and Boot MX Linux from a 32bit based laptop with Windows Operating system
with legacy BIOS/MBR bootloader without any external boot media:
1st step:
* Prepare the target laptop: by creating at minimum 2 partitions:
a FAT-32 about 2-3-GB to hold the MX Linux ISO
and a
2nd one to be used for root-partition, choose simply FAT32 with windows,
the partition will be reformatted anyway during installation.
You can create more partitions if needed for extra /home and swap.
Why did you ask for three partitions, because I think the need for two partitions makes sense? A partition containing ISO files after burning and extraction, and a partition for the purpose of exchanging the hard disk with random memory during intense activity, as the raw ISO file is now located in a random partition. Why should I dedicate a section to it?
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:31 am
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:50 am
1st step:
OK, based on given information here a general way to
Install and Boot MX Linux from a 32bit based laptop with Windows Operating system
with legacy BIOS/MBR bootloader without any external boot media:
1st step:
* Prepare the target laptop: by creating at minimum 2 partitions:
a FAT-32 about 2-3-GB to hold the MX Linux ISO
and a
2nd one to be used for root-partition, choose simply FAT32 with windows,
the partition will be reformatted anyway during installation.
You can create more partitions if needed for extra /home and swap.
Why did you ask for three partitions, because I think the need for two partitions makes sense? A partition containing ISO files after burning and extraction, and a partition for the purpose of exchanging the hard disk with random memory during intense activity, as the raw ISO file is now located in a random partition. Why should I dedicate a section to it?
In post #1, you asked for "installation".
Now, "installation" can mean different things:
* A: Installation and boot from ISO
Installation is just a "copy" of the iso.
* B: Installation and boot from extracted ISO
Installation is just to extract the iso in the top folder of partitions file system
that is like a Frugal installation
* C:* Installation and boot from a partition, like a normal
hard disk installation.
This is a full installation onto one or more partitions.
For A and B:
You would not necessarily need any new partition,
b/c GRUB is able to read from NTFS filesystems
For C: New partition are needed b/c the
in this type of installation the "MX Installer" requires dedicated
partitions for "/"-root and /home (if separate)
and a swap-partition (if not using a swap-file)
Maybe report, how far you got with either EasyBCD or GUB2WIN.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:09 am
by DukeComposed
fehlix wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:01 pm
OK, based on given information here a general way to
Install and Boot MX Linux from a 32bit based laptop with Windows Operating system
with legacy BIOS/MBR bootloader without any external boot media:
1st step:
* Prepare the target laptop: by creating at minimum 2 partitions:
a FAT-32 about 2-3-GB to hold the MX Linux ISO
and a
2nd one to be used for root-partition, choose simply FAT32 with windows,
the partition will be reformatted anyway during installation.
Curious about this, I gave it a shot with a VM. Nothing fancy, Just:
- Installed Win10 through installation wizard
- Shrunk the NTFS partition by as much as suggested in diskmgmt.msc and created new simple volume
- Copied an MX-23 ISO and "EasyBCD 2.4.exe" to the new E:\ drive (Version 2.4 is just what I had laying around.)
- Installed EasyBCD, added new NeoSmart ISO entry
- Rebooted and chose the NeoSmart entry
The ISO uncompresses and boots, but quickly fails during startup with the error:
Fatal Error
Could not find file antiX/linuxfs
Searched devices: /dev/sr0
Searched types: usb,cd
All block devices: /dev/sr0 /dev/sda3 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sda
It then suggests I contact BitJam and gives me two options: p = power off or r = reboot.
I've tried this with both the "Load from memory" and "Read from disk" options in EasyBCD, so this technique may not be as straightforward as originally hoped. Then again, this is just one data point. It may function differently on a real machine and not a VM with 8GB of RAM.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:19 am
by fehlix
DukeComposed wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:09 am
fehlix wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:01 pm
OK, based on given information here a general way to
Install and Boot MX Linux from a 32bit based laptop with Windows Operating system
with legacy BIOS/MBR bootloader without any external boot media:
1st step:
* Prepare the target laptop: by creating at minimum 2 partitions:
a FAT-32 about 2-3-GB to hold the MX Linux ISO
and a
2nd one to be used for root-partition, choose simply FAT32 with windows,
the partition will be reformatted anyway during installation.
Curious about this, I gave it a shot with a VM. Nothing fancy, Just:
- Installed Win10 through installation wizard
- Shrunk the NTFS partition by as much as suggested in diskmgmt.msc and created new simple volume
- Copied an MX-23 ISO and "EasyBCD 2.4.exe" to the new E:\ drive (Version 2.4 is just what I had laying around.)
- Installed EasyBCD, added new NeoSmart ISO entry
- Rebooted and chose the NeoSmart entry
The ISO uncompresses and boots, but quickly fails during startup with the error:
Fatal Error
Could not find file antiX/linuxfs
Searched devices: /dev/sr0
Searched types: usb,cd
All block devices: /dev/sr0 /dev/sda3 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sda
It then suggests I contact BitJam and gives me two options: p = power off or r = reboot.
I've tried this with both the "Load from memory" and "Read from disk" options in EasyBCD, so this technique may not be as straightforward as originally hoped. Then again, this is just one data point. It may function differently on a real machine and not a VM with 8GB of RAM.
Yes, when booting from iso you need to pass a fromiso if booting from iso,
or when from extracted (like frugal) from=all ( := "from=cd,usb,hd" b/c default it searchs for usb/dvd by default only or just from=hd)
or use blab=, buuid= to tell what partition the "antiX" folder is on.
So, you the hints given, was not a full a-z like howto, but rather a starting point.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 4:57 pm
by Tarq
Why should the ISO file be in its basic format on one of the partitions, then the program is burned in one of the partitions, then the kernel is in one of the partitions? What I know is that I need to run a partition that includes only the root
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:33 pm
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 4:57 pm
Why should the ISO file be in its basic format on one of the partitions, then the program is burned in one of the partitions, then the kernel is in one of the partitions? What I know is that I need to run a partition that includes only the root
The "MX Installer" creates the root partition, e.g on a ext4 filesystem,
by using the "stuff" found on squashfs linuxfs file and would creata boot-loader to be used to boot into the installed system.
And the "MX Installer" will only run from a "Live"booted ISO/USB/DVD (or LiveBooted Frugal "install")
In case you want manually do what the "MX Installer" is doing, good luck - I guess there is a bit more involved as just a copy.
Not sure, whether I answered you question and this was what you asked / wanted to know.
Otherwise let us know where you got stuck, if so.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:18 pm
by Tarq
Can you provide me with a program or tool to burn the operating system image with 32 and 64 bit Windows?
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:39 pm
by Tarq
Not sure, whether I answered you question and this was what you asked / wanted to know.
Enriching information, but the answer did not match the question, perhaps a misunderstanding on my part. In any case, I cannot focus and engage in a discussion at the moment. I do not think this section is appropriate for asking cognitive and conceptual questions. It is a problem solving section, so when I finish the tasks that need to be done and get rid of the stress, I free up and put a topic in the appropriate section.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 12:27 am
by FullScale4Me
Tarq wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:18 pm
Can you provide me with a program or tool to burn the operating system image with 32 and 64 bit Windows?
If you need guidance for this see MX Linux User Manual section 2.2, Creating bootable medium. On Windows, it is recommended to use either balena Etcher or Rufus to write the MX Linux ISO to your USB drive. Etcher is the hands-down go-to choice for PC novices.
Rufus is more technically advanced and the more flexible of the two. For modern (2012 & newer) PCs using a GPT 'Partition scheme' in Rufus may be needed.

Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:24 am
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:18 pm
Can you provide me with a program or tool to burn the operating system image with 32 and 64 bit Windows?
Maybe this helps to get it done without an external boot medium:
*
How To Boot From ISO File on Windows using EasyBCD, which indicates that you can just place the MXLinux ISO onto the C:\ drive, no extra partition for the ISO needed.
* Within the booted MX-LiveSystem, do install onto the one partition which was prepared to hold the /root filesytem.
(Note: The "MX Installer" is located as a desktop icon on the "desktop".)
* Important: The "MX Installer" in normal mode will reject to install onto the same drive the ISO was booted from.
So you would need to run the "MX Installer" in advanced "brave" mode in case the ISO was on the drive you want to install MX Linux onto, by open terminal window and start the installer with this command:
(It asks for users "demo" password, which is identical to the username "demo")
* When the installer asks for the GRUB boot loader installation target do select "PBR" (Partition Boot Record) of the used root-partition - not the "MBR" ("Master Boot Record") of the drive.
This is to avoid overwriting the Windows-MBR, otherwise you may got stuck not being able to boot into windows in case of any error.
* Next when ready with MX Linux installation, boot into Windows open again EasyBCD again and create a Window boot entry for booting from the root-partition "PBR".
Any detailed questions, let us know.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:13 am
by Tarq
The ISO uncompresses and boots, but quickly fails during startup with the error:
Fatal Error
Could not find file antiX/linuxfs
Searched devices: /dev/sr0
Searched types: usb,cd
All block devices: /dev/sr0 /dev/sda3 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sda
It then suggests I contact BitJam and gives me two options: p = power off or r = reboot.
Yes, I have the problem now in a physical environment
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:49 am
by fehlix
Probably a "from=hd" boot parameter may help
or maybe faster the blab boot parameter:
blab=NameOfFileSystem
where NameOfFileSystem is the file system label (or the "Name") of
the file system the /antiX folder is located.
You add a boot parameter to the line starting with linux
within the grub menu by pressing E for "Edit" and navigate with arrow keys.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:13 pm
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:13 am
The ISO uncompresses and boots, but quickly fails during startup with the error:
Fatal Error
Could not find file antiX/linuxfs
Searched devices: /dev/sr0
Searched types: usb,cd
All block devices: /dev/sr0 /dev/sda3 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sda
It then suggests I contact BitJam and gives me two options: p = power off or r = reboot.
Yes, I have the problem now in a physical environment
OK, maybe give some more details.
This "The ISO uncompresses and boots" is actually for me not clearly formulated.
When booting from ISO, the iso won't get "uncompressed", it get's just get mounted nothing get uncompressed.
Do you boot from the ISO or did you extracted the ISO? What method was used to get booted?
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:49 pm
by Tarq
Do you boot from the ISO or did you extracted the ISO? What method was used to get booted?
Boot from ISO
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:05 pm
by Tarq
Do you boot from the ISO or did you extracted the ISO? What method was used to get booted?
I've tried booting through a WinPE window but it doesn't show the required files other than this directive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoMejK_yjLM
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:48 pm
by Tarq
I tried using a virtual CD driver but it failed to boot as well
https://www.elby.ch/
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:26 am
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:49 pm
Do you boot from the ISO or did you extracted the ISO? What method was used to get booted?
Boot from ISO
OK, so you managed to boot the ISO at least to the LiveBoot system on the ISO, but next boot step failed.
What method was used to get to this stage. EasyBCD, GRUB2WIN or something else?
That's normal to get the "fatal error", b/c the next step the LiveSystem need the information where to find the iso.
Do you get Live-Boot menu? If yes, add this two boot parameter:
fromiso="path-to-the-iso"
and
blab="Label-of-the-file-system"
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:59 pm
by Tarq
What method was used to get to this stage. EasyBCD, GRUB2WIN or something else?
EasyBCD
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:30 pm
by Tarq
Do you get Live-Boot menu? If yes, add this two boot parameter:
fromiso="path-to-the-iso"
and
blab="Label-of-the-file-system"
Where is the live boot menu located? Do you mean on the boot manager screen? How do I add the path? Do you mean through the direct boot command line screen or through one of the graphical interface options in the easy bcd program? Be precise in describing everything because sometimes I have no idea about a certain component.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:05 pm
by Tarq
Let's summarize what happened theoretically and not practically:
An exact distribution image was added via the ISO window in the easybcd program in order for the program to add the entry for booting the system directly from the hard disk into the boot list. This succeeded. After that, an attempt was made to boot via live boot mode, which is the default mode from developers in most Linux systems and not the normal boot, the live system responsible for running live boot mode was unable to find the ISO file. The easybcd program was supposed to only show the entry of the boot option in the boot menu, since the success of this task was considered impressive and good progress for the program. It should have played the role of boot loader on behalf of grub, but it did not do so. It should have provided the live system with information about where to find the ISO, since that is the function of the boot loader, and this did not happen. This may be due to a glitch, error, or settings adjustment.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:13 am
by Tarq
Tarq wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:05 pm
Let's summarize what happened theoretically and not practically:
An exact distribution image was added via the ISO window in the easybcd program in order for the program to add the entry for booting the system directly from the hard disk into the boot list. This succeeded. After that, an attempt was made to boot via live boot mode, which is the default mode from developers in most Linux systems and not the normal boot, the live system responsible for running live boot mode was unable to find the ISO file. The easybcd program was supposed to only show the entry of the boot option in the boot menu, since the success of this task was considered impressive and good progress for the program. It should have played the role of boot loader on behalf of grub, but it did not do so. It should have provided the live system with information about where to find the ISO, since that is the function of the boot loader, and this did not happen. This may be due to a glitch, error, or settings adjustment.
Correction of information with reservation:
Many boot loaders like grub and others certainly run in normal mode by nature, and I believe some of those included in the attachments can operate in live mode. It is necessary to verify this when using them.
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BOOTLOADERS:
lilo ----------- legacy bootloader good for smaller disks
grub ----------- boots most operating systems
systemd-boot---- systemd bootloader
rEFIt (redEFIt)-- open source bootloader for UEFI
syslinux ---------includes isolinux and PXElinux and boots most systems, especially usbs
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:55 am
by DukeComposed
fehlix wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:26 am
Do you get Live-Boot menu? If yes, add this two boot parameter:
fromiso="path-to-the-iso"
and
blab="Label-of-the-file-system"
Testing this out on a VM, the blab argument didn't work for me. It may have been because the label of the partition was "NEW VOLUME". Using blab="NEW VOLUME" didn't work, so I ended up booting the ISO normally just to run blkid and get the UUID of the partition. After shrinking the NTFS partition of the VM, creating a new FAT32 partition from the unused space, and I renamed the MX-23 ISO to "MX.iso" for brevity. After configuring the EasyBCD boot menu to load the ISO with the "Run from disk" option, I added "fromiso=MX.iso buuid=C608-DE1A" to the boot arguments and that allowed the ISO to finally start.
The concern I have about this approach is how to get the UUID of the partition while still running Windows.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:14 am
by DukeComposed
DukeComposed wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:55 am
The concern I have about this approach is how to get the UUID of the partition while still running Windows.
Followup: In Windows, run System Information, select Components > Storage > Drives. The UUID string needed for the buuid argument will match the partition's "Volume Serial Number", but without any hyphens.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:27 am
by Tarq
I believe that the program grub52win can play the role of a boot manager and loader, unlike the program easybcd. My recent statement is not based on experience but is merely a guess. This conclusion depends on and is derived from the name of the program, not its actual uses, as I have not fully understood them. Its role is to manage the boot process, based on the name and based on the nature of the original grub program being a boot management and loading tool. Therefore, this can be expected, and it is correct to say this until proven otherwise. I believe that grub2win surpasses easybcd.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:06 am
by fehlix
DukeComposed wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:55 am
fehlix wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:26 am
Do you get Live-Boot menu? If yes, add this two boot parameter:
fromiso="path-to-the-iso"
and
blab="Label-of-the-file-system"
Testing this out on a VM, the blab argument didn't work for me. It may have been because the label of the partition was "NEW VOLUME". Using blab="NEW VOLUME" didn't work, so I ended up booting the ISO normally just to run blkid and get the UUID of the partition. After shrinking the NTFS partition of the VM, creating a new FAT32 partition from the unused space, and I renamed the MX-23 ISO to "MX.iso" for brevity. After configuring the EasyBCD boot menu to load the ISO with the "Run from disk" option, I added "fromiso=MX.iso buuid=C608-DE1A" to the boot arguments and that allowed the ISO to finally start.
The concern I have about this approach is how to get the UUID of the partition while still running Windows.
Good, you have confirmed that it works.
Don't use spaces in the file system label. Just re-label using Windows file manager.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:23 am
by Eadwine Rose
Please be mindful and edit your posts rather than deleting the content and then starting a new one. Duplicates as well, thanks.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:44 am
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:30 pm
Do you get Live-Boot menu? If yes, add this two boot parameter:
fromiso="path-to-the-iso"
and
blab="Label-of-the-file-system"
Where is the live boot menu located? Do you mean on the boot manager screen? How do I add the path? Do you mean through the direct boot command line screen or through one of the graphical interface options in the easy bcd program? Be precise in describing everything because sometimes I have no idea about a certain component.
In case the boot method used by EasyBCD won't show you the LiveBoot menu, you may need to find the place within EasyBCD to add those boot parameter. Maybe
@DukeComposed can give some hints.
Last time I used that method worked, but as this is quite some time ago and I do currently have no Windows system to try this out, I can't give you any more details.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:01 am
by DukeComposed
fehlix wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:06 am
Good, you have confirmed that it works.
Don't use spaces in the file system label. Just re-label using Windows file manager.
I was curious to know if this method would work without having to shrink the C: partition and create a new one. So I moved the iso to C:\MX.iso and replaced the EasyBCD boot menu entry to use it. I also ended up having to give C: a volume label in Explorer. I chose "X" because it's short.
I then changed the normal boot arguments from
to
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quiet splasht nosplash fromiso=MX.iso blab="X"
It loaded the MX live session as expected. So installing MX from the ISO doesn't require a FAT32 partition. It can also work from a regular old NTFS-formatted C: drive if you have permissions to (1) write the ISO to C:\, though I'm sure storing the ISO elsewhere is possible, (2) install and run EasyBCD to edit the bootloader, and (3) set a simple volume label on that C: drive.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:05 am
by fehlix
DukeComposed wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:01 am
fehlix wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:06 am
Good, you have confirmed that it works.
Don't use spaces in the file system label. Just re-label using Windows file manager.
I was curious to know if this method would work without having to shrink the C: partition and create a new one. So I moved the iso to C:\MX.iso and replaced the EasyBCD boot menu entry to use it. I also ended up having to give C: a volume label in Explorer. I chose "X" because it's short.
I then changed the normal boot arguments from
to
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quiet splasht nosplash fromiso=MX.iso blab="X"
It loaded the MX live session as expected. So installing MX from the ISO doesn't require a FAT32 partition. It can also work from a regular old NTFS-formatted C: drive if you have permissions to (1) write the ISO to C:\, though I'm sure storing the ISO elsewhere is possible, (2) install and run EasyBCD to edit the bootloader, and (3) set a simple volume label on that C: drive.
Thanks, for the details. Yes, and note, when using full path remember to use forward slash like
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:26 am
by DukeComposed
fehlix wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:05 am
Thanks, for the details. Yes, and note, when using full path remember to use forward slash like
Both "fromiso=MX.iso" and "fromiso=/MX.iso" work when MX.iso is in C:\. I imagine "fromiso=/Users/username/Downloads/MX-whatever.iso" is just as viable a path, but it's longer to type and, let's be honest here, you need Administrator permissions to disable SecureBoot and replace the bootloader with EasyBCD, so it doesn't really matter if you're saving the ISO to a non-privileged path.
I haven't actually installed MX this way, but I can at least get to the MX live session. I have to presume that the installer can still unsquash the linuxfs file to a newly-repartitioned drive even though the ISO itself ceases to exist on disk as soon as the new partition table gets created. It would be tragic to have done all this work solving this silly problem and get stuck needing the ISO to finish installing the image that exists on the ISO.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:11 am
by fehlix
DukeComposed wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:26 am
I haven't actually installed MX this way, but I can at least get to the MX live session. I have to presume that the installer can still unsquash the linuxfs file to a newly-repartitioned drive even though the ISO itself ceases to exist on disk as soon as the new partition table gets created. It would be tragic to have done all this work solving this silly problem and get stuck needing the ISO to finish installing the image that exists on the ISO.
OK, here is the trick: When having the ISO on the same drive/disk (like C:\ on the first disk)
the installer would not allow to install on that disk, even though you have prepared the target partitions /root etc. on that disk.
In the case of same disk for boot-disk and installation target disk,
do start the installer from terminal command line like this
And may be important for legacy BIOS-boot (= none UEFI boot) do first not install GRUB to MBR of the WIndows Boot Disk whre C:\ is located but select PBR (Partition Boot Record) of the "/"-root partition. B/c in case of any error and grub boot loader on MBR would fail to boot, you would also not be able to boot into Windows and also into the ISO anymore using EasyBCD.
So, after installing GRUB to PBR, use EasyBCD again and create Windows Boot Menu entry for booting from the root "Partition".
You can later use MX Boot Repair to install GRUB onto MBR, but better do first backup the Windows MBR,which can be done also with MX Boot Repair.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:55 am
by fehlix
FWIW, in addition to the already mentioned EasyBCD and GRUB2WIN tools,
a 3rd method maybe Ventoy to boot from ISO by installing Ventoy
from running Windows using Ventoy2Disk onto a internal disk, b/c Ventoy can not only
be installed onto external USB-drives but also on internal hdd.
So, when booting from the internal Ventoy disk you have the same
feature as Ventoy-USB, to boot any ISO like MX's isos.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:35 am
by siamhie
Tarq wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:30 pm
Do you get Live-Boot menu? If yes, add this two boot parameter:
fromiso="path-to-the-iso"
and
blab="Label-of-the-file-system"
Where is the live boot menu located? Do you mean on the boot manager screen? How do I add the path? Do you mean through the direct boot command line screen or through one of the graphical interface options in the easy bcd program?
Be precise in describing everything because sometimes I have no idea about a certain component.
6 pages later and I still don't know the if this is a desktop or a laptop. Who the manufacturer is and it's model name. (you never did answer my question on page 3 post #24)
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:33 am
by DukeComposed
fehlix wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:11 am
In the case of same disk for boot-disk and installation target disk,
do start the installer from terminal command line like this
And may be important for legacy BIOS-boot (= none UEFI boot) do first not install GRUB to MBR of the WIndows Boot Disk whre C:\ is located but select PBR (Partition Boot Record) of the "/"-root partition. B/c in case of any error and grub boot loader on MBR would fail to boot, you would also not be able to boot into Windows and also into the ISO anymore using EasyBCD.
So, after installing GRUB to PBR, use EasyBCD again and create Windows Boot Menu entry for booting from the root "Partition".
You can later use MX Boot Repair to install GRUB onto MBR, but better do first backup the Windows MBR,which can be done also with MX Boot Repair.
OK, here's the first way I've found to replace Windows on a machine with MX Linux without using external media.
- Install Windows 10. This typically results in a two-partition format: a 500+ MiB recovery partition, and an NTFS system partition.
- In diskmgmt.msc shrink the C: partition and create a new FAT32 partition from the unallocated space. Give it a short, easy volume label, like "X".
- In the new FAT32 partition, copy the MX ISO as "MX.iso".
- Install EasyBCD, configure it to load MX.iso as a NeoSmart ISO boot entry.
- Reboot, choose the NeoSmart ISO entry.
- At the GRUB boot menu, add the arguments "fromiso=MX.iso blab=X". Hit Enter.
- Open a Terminal window, run "sudo /usr/sbin/minstall --brave".
- When the custom layout screen appears, choose the external partitioning tool.
- Delete sda1 and sda2. Create a new ext4 partition in the newly unallocated space. Apply changes and close GParted.
- Mark the new sda1 as "use for /" in minstall and finish the install. GRUB will fail and you will be told to boot the live medium again. Ignore this. Close the installer.
- Set up mountpoints:
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TARGET=/media/demo/rootMX23
for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys
do
test -d ${TARGET}$i || mkdir -p ${TARGET}$i
mount --bind $i ${TARGET}$i
done
- chroot ${TARGET}
- update-grub
- grub-install /dev/sda
- Reboot. Login. sudo gparted.
- Manually delete the FAT32 partition. Resize the ext4 partition to consume the unallocated space. Apply.
- Confirm with "df -h" that the ext4 partition is the full size of the disk.
There are some very subtle gotchas in this method, and many ways it can fail and leave the machine unusable. Still, it is a little bit easier than manually unsquashing the contents of linuxfs and having to set every configuration setting by hand. Further still, it's far too advanced for a new user to attempt and should only be used as a means of last resort.
It started out as a fun exercise, then became outright annoying. I am, however, glad to know it's possible beyond more than just the "I think this ought to work" theoreticals.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:18 am
by fehlix
DukeComposed wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:33 am
OK, here's the first way I've found to replace Windows on a machine with MX Linux without using external media.
Thanks, for trying this out.
Note in case enough RAM like 3-4GB++ is available, one can use the "toram" bootparameter,
which would allow to install MX Linux onto the entire disk, b/c the iso-loop-mount, would freed-up
after bootup and the disk booted from can freely be used for installing. So in this case GRUB boot loader would get installed by the MX-Installer normally, and any further chroot to fix GRUB would not be needed.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:08 am
by DukeComposed
fehlix wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:18 am
DukeComposed wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:33 am
OK, here's the first way I've found to replace Windows on a machine with MX Linux without using external media.
Thanks, for trying this out.
Note in case enough RAM like 3-4GB++ is available, one can use the "toram" bootparameter,
That would also have been useful. This experiment was only performed on a VM with 8GB of RAM, so it may have been possible to attempt this method, though I recall setting the "Load into memory" option in EasyBCD, so there's no knowing exactly how much RAM was left after invoking the live session. Optimizations like this are certainly possible and may be necessary if anyone is unfortunate enough to need them.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:24 pm
by Tarq
At the GRUB boot menu, add the arguments "fromiso=MX.iso blab=X". Hit Enter.
How do I display the boot loader command line?
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:56 am
by Eadwine Rose
Press e
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:18 am
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:24 pm
At the GRUB boot menu, add the arguments "fromiso=MX.iso blab=X". Hit Enter.
How do I display the boot loader command line?
Add the live grub menu menu:
live-grub-menu.jpg
You'll find a line explaining how to open the grub menu editor:
press-E-to-Edit.jpg
Now add the desired boot parameter at the end of the line starting with "linux..."
or just to the first setparams line, which will populate "$@", so it get added automatically to the linux-line.
add-boot-paramter.jpg
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:28 am
by Tarq
Don't use spaces in the file system label. Just re-label using Windows file manager.
I had a confusion, as I think I am dealing so far with two components: the name of the partition on the hard disk and the name of the system image file. What do you mean in the third configuration, 'File System Name', where I know the designation of the file system type?
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:18 am
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:28 am
Don't use spaces in the file system label. Just re-label using Windows file manager.
I had a confusion, as I think I am dealing so far with two components: the name of the partition on the hard disk and the name of the system image file. What do you mean in the third configuration, 'File System Name', where I know the designation of the file system type?
Maybe post the question with more context, b/c that's a long thread already and you missed quoting properly with reference to the post.
Esp. post:
lsblk -f
and the file path (path including file name of the iso-file, and on what partition is the iso-file saved on.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:01 pm
by fehlix
fehlix wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:18 am
Tarq wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:28 am
Don't use spaces in the file system label. Just re-label using Windows file manager.
I had a confusion, as I think I am dealing so far with two components: the name of the partition on the hard disk and the name of the system image file. What do you mean in the third configuration, 'File System Name', where I know the designation of the file system type?
Maybe post the question with more context, b/c that's a long thread already and you missed quoting properly with reference to the post.
Esp. post:
lsblk -f
and the file path (path including file name of the iso-file, and on what partition is the iso-file saved on.
PS: Don't send me PM to answer questions. Please post here, doesn't matter if you feel it's a silly question or not.
But I need "context" to answer in detail.
E.g file "system label" on Windows, is what you see as Name or Label within Windows explorer for drive C: or drive D:
"Windows drives" are partition on disks, either on the same disk or on different HD-disks.
The file path is the full path e.g on WIndows like
C:\ISO\MX-23.iso
but in GRUB and in Linux we use forward slash, like this:
/ISO/MX-23.iso
and for Windows "C:" we use the partition label.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 am
by Tarq
Can you help me on how to access GRUB settings through the Grub2win program?
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:49 pm
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 am
Can you help me on how to access GRUB settings through the Grub2win program?
The simplest would be this:
* Locate the grub.cfg file (which is a text file), and post the content of the file.
the directory might be something like c:\grub (or similar) where you look for the file.
* Next, post the file name of the MX linux iso file
and the full path where the iso-file is located.
With this information provided we may be able to proceed.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:37 pm
by Tarq
--grubwork--cfg.txt
fehlix wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:49 pm
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 am
Can you help me on how to access GRUB settings through the Grub2win program?
The simplest would be this:
* Locate the grub.cfg file (which is a text file), and post the content of the file.
the directory might be something like c:\grub (or similar) where you look for the file.
* Next, post the file name of the MX linux iso file
and the full path where the iso-file is located.
With this information provided we may be able to proceed.
Until we provide you with what you want, look at the attachment. It contains commands, but I am thinking why I have to direct the program to all the important files to start booting and operating, and what is the point then of attaching an ISO file to the program, if that is the case? I think I am stuck on a screen stating that the grub2win program is unable to see the file. The image of the initial system, not access to the kernel, etc. I am trying to understand what is happening theoretically so that it will be easier for me in practice
Note: I am working on setting up two devices simultaneously, one of them via easybcd and grub2win, due to the inability to open the program interface, and I preferred that.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:33 pm
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:37 pm
--grubwork--cfg.txt
fehlix wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:49 pm
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 am
Can you help me on how to access GRUB settings through the Grub2win program?
The simplest would be this:
* Locate the grub.cfg file (which is a text file), and post the content of the file.
the directory might be something like c:\grub (or similar) where you look for the file.
* Next, post the file name of the MX linux iso file
and the full path where the iso-file is located.
With this information provided we may be able to proceed.
Until we provide you with what you want, look at the attachment. It contains commands, but I am thinking why I have to direct the program to all the important files to start booting and operating, and what is the point then of attaching an ISO file to the program, if that is the case? I think I am stuck on a screen stating that the grub2win program is unable to see the file. The image of the initial system, not access to the kernel, etc. I am trying to understand what is happening theoretically so that it will be easier for me in practice
Note: I am working on setting up two devices simultaneously, one of them via easybcd and grub2win, due to the inability to open the program interface, and I preferred that.
Good, they do provide a generic way to boot from the iso.
Best provide the information about the file path and name of the iso,
and perhaps the partiton label the iso-file is located on,
b/c to boot from the iso we need both the iso-file path and some means
the partition is located on, either by the label or the UUID.
Both are needed in order the initial-ramdisk of the booting iso, can bootstrap to
finally boot into the embedded linux system.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:36 pm
by Tarq
fehlix wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:49 pm
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 am
Can you help me on how to access GRUB settings through the Grub2win program?
The simplest would be this:
* Locate the grub.cfg file (which is a text file), and post the content of the file.
the directory might be something like c:\grub (or similar) where you look for the file.
* Next, post the file name of the MX linux iso file
and the full path where the iso-file is located.
With this information provided we may be able to proceed.
linuxmint-21.3-xfce-64bit
D:\
D:\boot\grub
Storage unit serial number FE3EEDEA
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:48 pm
by Tarq
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:36 pm
fehlix wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:49 pm
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 am
Can you help me on how to access GRUB settings through the Grub2win program?
The simplest would be this:
* Locate the grub.cfg file (which is a text file), and post the content of the file.
the directory might be something like c:\grub (or similar) where you look for the file.
* Next, post the file name of the MX linux iso file
and the full path where the iso-file is located.
With this information provided we may be able to proceed.
Note: The necessity of adjusting distances, etc., has not been ignored. It is just a theoretical understanding before application
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:15 pm
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:36 pm
fehlix wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:49 pm
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 am
Can you help me on how to access GRUB settings through the Grub2win program?
The simplest would be this:
* Locate the grub.cfg file (which is a text file), and post the content of the file.
the directory might be something like c:\grub (or similar) where you look for the file.
* Next, post the file name of the MX linux iso file
and the full path where the iso-file is located.
With this information provided we may be able to proceed.
linuxmint-21.3-xfce-64bit
D:\
D:\boot\grub
Storage unit serial number FE3EEDEA
So you seem to try to boot somehow linux-mint.
And the grub.cfg you probably got from extracted linux-mint ISO.
It looks like you extracted the ISO at drive D:
Maybe it can be made that it work, but at least quite a bit is missing, b/c you haven't told grub2win what partition the iso is on.
And not sure they do support to boot from an extracted iso.
Suggest to try MX-Linux iso to boot which can be booted either from iso
and also from extracted iso.
Note: the file name of an iso normally also has an extension like .iso
and serial number FE3EEDEA may or not provide the UUID.
You may consider to give more details, otherwise I'm afraid, we can give only generic comments.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:28 pm
by Tarq
fehlix wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:15 pm
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:36 pm
fehlix wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:49 pm
The simplest would be this:
* Locate the grub.cfg file (which is a text file), and post the content of the file.
the directory might be something like c:\grub (or similar) where you look for the file.
* Next, post the file name of the MX linux iso file
and the full path where the iso-file is located.
With this information provided we may be able to proceed.
linuxmint-21.3-xfce-64bit
D:\
D:\boot\grub
Storage unit serial number FE3EEDEA
So you seem to try to boot somehow linux-mint.
And the grub.cfg you probably got from extracted linux-mint ISO.
It looks like you extracted the ISO at drive D:
Maybe it can be made that it work, but at least quite a bit is missing, b/c you haven't told grub2win what partition the iso is on.
And not sure they do support to boot from an extracted iso.
Suggest to try MX-Linux iso to boot which can be booted either from iso
and also from extracted iso.
Note: the file name of an iso normally also has an extension like .iso
and serial number FE3EEDEA may or not provide the UUID.
You may consider to give more details, otherwise I'm afraid, we can give only generic comments.
You have what you want, but Felix, I added the ISO file in a field where everything is supposed to be automatic, not manual
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:45 pm
by fehlix
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:28 pm
fehlix wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:15 pm
Tarq wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:36 pm
linuxmint-21.3-xfce-64bit
D:\
D:\boot\grub
Storage unit serial number FE3EEDEA
So you seem to try to boot somehow linux-mint.
And the grub.cfg you probably got from extracted linux-mint ISO.
It looks like you extracted the ISO at drive D:
Maybe it can be made that it work, but at least quite a bit is missing, b/c you haven't told grub2win what partition the iso is on.
And not sure they do support to boot from an extracted iso.
Suggest to try MX-Linux iso to boot which can be booted either from iso
and also from extracted iso.
Note: the file name of an iso normally also has an extension like .iso
and serial number FE3EEDEA may or not provide the UUID.
You may consider to give more details, otherwise I'm afraid, we can give only generic comments.
You have what you want, but Felix, I added the ISO file in a field where everything is supposed to be automatic, not manual
I don't have currently grub2win installed, so you might get some support for GRUB2WIN on their support forum.
so I have no idea what this "a field where everything is supposed to be automatic" referring to.
The way it would probably work to boot MX Linux or antiX ISO from GRUB2WIN would
be a grub menu entry something like this:
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menuentry "ISO-Boot MX-Linux.iso" {
iso_path=/iso/MX-snapshot.iso
export iso_path
# change below if desired
# bootoptions="kbd=de kbvar=nodeadkeys kbopt=caps:none lang=de tz=Europe/Amsterdam"
insmod part_gpt
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
insmod exfat
insmod ntfs
insmod probe
insmod loopback
# use this to search for the full iso_path
search --no-floppy --file --set=root $iso_path
probe -u $root --set=buuid
loopback loop $iso_path
linux (loop)/antiX/vmlinuz buuid=${buuid} fromiso=${iso_path} quiet splasht nosplash ${bootoptions}
initrd (loop)/antiX/initrd.gz
}
Never tried Linux mint iso to boot with GRUB2WIN, maybe the folks on the Linux Mint forum can give you hints to achieve this
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:12 pm
by Tarq
Sorry, it seems I lost focus on adding the targeted ISO file. I will see what can be done. A message that does not require a response
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:04 am
by ProwlerGr
Maybe easier is you give Q4OS a spin
https://q4os.org/dqa014.html
I creates an ext4 image on your Windows partition allowing you to dual boot, without requiring repartitioning.
Q4OS is also Debian based so it might be easy to convert to MX with tweaking the sources.list (I haven't tried this).
Re: Install and boot options [Solved]
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:27 pm
by Tarq
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Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:05 pm
by Tarq
The installation was successfully completed on the hard disk using
https://www.ventoy.net/en/doc_vlnk.html in the best possible resource mod
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demo@mx1:~
$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Release: 12
Codename: bookworm
demo@mx1:~
$ uname -a
Linux mx1 6.1.0-17-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.69-1 (2023-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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demo@mx1:~
$ lsblk -f
NAME FSTYPE FSVER LABEL UUID FSAVAIL FSUSE% MOUNTPOINTS
loop0 squashfs 4.0 0 100% /live/linux
sda
├─sda1 ntfs النظام 20
├─sda2 ntfs Windows 10
├─sda3
├─sda4 xfs rootMX23
├─sda5 ntfs Files Photos and More
│ └─ventoy 0 100% /live/boot-dev
├─sda6 ntfs Windows 10
└─sda7 ntfs Files Photos and More
sdb
├─sdb1 vfat FAT32 VENTOY
└─sdb2 vfat FAT16 VTOYEFI
sr0
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:43 am
by Buck Fankers
Nice, congratulation!
You could now post your steps for anyone else, that may want at some point do the same.
Re: Install and boot options
Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 4:28 am
by Tarq
Buck Fankers wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:43 am
Nice, congratulation!
You could now post your steps for anyone else, that may want at some point do the same.
The explanation is in the link attached to this post
viewtopic.php?p=769034#p769034