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Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:18 pm**

Here is the patch:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D-zICD ... sp=sharing

61c86a88c000e2408c94d6ba7f8a0fb7 MXFBPi_B2.patch

Download the patch where the original image is, then open a terminal and issue this command:

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xdelta3 -d -s MX-19.3_FluxRPi-respin_B1.img  MXFBPi_B2.patch MXFBPi_B2.img

=================
AGENDA

Lost causes?
--Plymouth
--bluetooth (losing service when logging out/in, requiring rebooting)

Big causes
--how fragile are some of the changes against upstream changes in mx-fluxbox, etc.?
--full Palemoon testing: should it replace Firefox ESR, what setup does it need (links on the toolbar, for example), any extensions OOTB such as an ad-blocker, etc.?
--the group of conkies that have been reported not to work: need testing and fixing, or removal (?). I'll post that list below when I find it again.
--update and testing of skel (not sure all of my recent changes are there, especially in little places like the clipit rc)
--volumeicon: I think the scroll/volume is working again
--finalize documentation (Chris posted a soundfix document >> Bookshelf)
--final review of components: anything we don't need, anything important missing?

Little causes
--not sure ATM
=================

If anyone posts other causes, I'll add to the list.

Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:38 pm**

@Jerry3904
I don't have mx-fluxbox_raspberrypi_respin_beta.img
I have MX-19.3_FluxRPi-respin_B1.img

Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:58 pm**

OK, then use that name instead. I forgot I changed the name when I uploaded it to SourceForge.

Changed the command, thanks.

Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:15 pm**

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dcihon@mx19:~/Downloads$ xdelta3 -d -s MX-19.3_FluxRPi-respin_B1.img  MXFBPi_B2.patch MXFBPi_B2.img
xdelta3: target window checksum mismatch: XD3_INVALID_INPUT
xdelta3: normally this indicates that the source file is incorrect
xdelta3: please verify the source file with sha1sum or equivalent

Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:23 pm**

I ran the command as I posted it first, and it produced no error so I concluded we were good to go. Maybe the name change altered the checksum?

I'll download the B1 as it is and try it again...and this time I'll also do a md5sum.

Sigh.

Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:26 pm**

In the meantime, here is the changelog of major items

01.22.21

Initial release (beta)

01.31.21

B2

*added ntp
*mx repo altered to filter out packages that could harm system
*changed login page, moving sign-in panel up and changing style
*added onboard screen keyboard
*continued cleaning out unnecessary packages (Xfce, LXDE, etc.)
*installed all upgrades since release, including VLC 3.0.12-1
*added "Recent files" to Fluxbox menu (and forgot to clean out my list of files!)
*updated config files
*fixed VLC, added preferences > Video > Output: Open GL for embedded...
*added missing tooltips
*switched to Palemoon as default browser
*continued centering apps
*installed rpi-imager
*volumeicon: changed mixer to pavucontrol
*added a key to call blueman-manager (Alt + b)
*deleted useless or non-working keys

Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:22 pm**

OK, recreated the patch and took a md5sum. Posted that in OP and I hope it works this time--did here with original download this time.

Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:33 pm**

@Jerry3904
I must be an idiot today. I still can't get it.
Can you just make the image over again and have a link to that also?
I don't know how to patch from that small image to the original anyway.

Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:44 pm**

I could, but it takes a lot of time so it won't happen today.

Which part is not clear to you?

1) put the patch and the original in the same folder
2) right-click a blank space in the folder > Open terminal here
3) paste in the code in OP and wait
4) when it is finished, you should see the new *img file.
5) Use Imager to load it onto a microSD

Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:45 pm**

I don't think MAYBL8 has the original image. @MAYBL8 you will need the same image jerry is starting with to do the patch.

the file in the archive on the sourceforge download, which is linked in the blog post, is mx-fluxbox_raspberrypi_respin_beta

so Jerry's original command will be correct. these xdelta3 patches don't care about filenames, but the patches do have to match the original files.

Posted: **Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:00 pm**

@dolphin_oracle @Jerry3904 Thanks I downloaded again from the blog.
Ran the following command and it all worked. I will now burn the image. I will let you know how that goes.

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xdelta3 -d -s mx-fluxbox_raspberrypi_respin_beta.img  MXFBPi_B2.patch MXFBPi_B2.img

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:16 am**

I was going to get a 4GB model 4 but when I priced up a 400, the $100 saving is too much to ignore, but it's not in stock for a few weeks yet.

Anyone had experience getting the Beta running on qemu?

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:13 am**

m_pav wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:16 am I was going to get a 4GB model 4 but when I priced up a 400, the $100 saving is too much to ignore, but it's not in stock for a few weeks yet.

The Pi 4 is true to the original ethos of the Raspberry Pi Foundation - to get kids into coding and physical computing. The Pi 400 has been developed in response to the pandemic, which has seen some children disadvantaged by lack of devices to get online education.

If you are ever likely to want to experiment with the GPIO pins, the Pi 4 is a much better bet. Although they are brought to the rear of the 400, many of the add-ons won't fit.

On the other hand, the Pi 4 runs hot, and I personally would not put one in a case without some sort of additional cooling.

4GB RAM is enough for anything most users are ever going to want to do.

One last thing; due to its better cooling, the Pi 400 runs a higher CPU clock OOTB. The Pi 4 will run with the same overclock, although a bit hotter, (I always do it with mine), but it's a bit inconvenient to keep changing config.txt on every install.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:09 am**

I'm adding an agenda to OP now.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:59 am**

On my own everyday machines, I disable everything that stops me seeing boot text, so no Plymouth is fine by me! Others may not agree.

I wonder if there are users with Bluetooth keyboard/mice that would need that capability? It isn't something I use, so not sure I can test, but perhaps we should at least keep Bluetooth in mind?

Palemoon works great. YouTube video plays at 720p, VEVO videos have sound. (They don't in Firefox.) Not all add-ons from Firefox work in Palemoon, but the recommended ad blocker, Adblock Latitude, works well. Much as I use Firefox everywhere else, it's never worked well on the Pi, so I'm all for having Palemoon as the default.

Thunar by default opens with hidden icons on, and View as Detailed List. Most users would expect hidden icons off, and View as Icons.

There is a list of things in ClipIt that should perhaps be cleared for Final.

There is a regression with Exit Options - it's now opening top-left.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:04 am**

Thanks.

I set Thunar opening with hidden files showing b/c the default location is the Fluxbox folder, but I can change that. Also icon view though I personally hate that...

The regression on exit-options is because we now have a Qt package for that--will change.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:32 am**

Well I got it working. Yay for me.
2 things I have tried so far.
1. Changing the Time Zone from right clicking on the clock. I change it but it doesn't actually change it.
So I open it back up again and the change didn't take.
2. I set a plymouth theme. It worked. Except when I went back into Boot options It wasn't enabled. But it did run it on start up.
I know you said it's out but I think it works.

3. Created a new user. All fine so far with that.

Edit: New user dock opens Firefox.
Thunar defaults to icons

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:11 am**

MAYBL8 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:32 am
1. Changing the Time Zone from right clicking on the clock. I change it but it doesn't actually change it.
So I open it back up again and the change didn't take.

Changing the time zone works OK from the Raspberry Pi configuration tool from the dock.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:14 am**

Confirm what MAYBL8 found with a new user created with MX Tools.

Also, the new user has a different icon set, and Exit Options appears centre-screen.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:30 am**

MAYBL8 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:00 pm ...Ran the following command and it all worked...
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xdelta3 -d -s mx-fluxbox_raspberrypi_respin_beta.img  MXFBPi_B2.patch MXFBPi_B2.img

How long did the action take, because here is no reaction in terminal after "enter"

Downloaded yesterday mx-fluxbox_raspberrypi_respin_beta.img.xz
created SD,
booting,
working in US locales Pi:raspberrz OMG, long time ago with german locales ;-)

MXPi looks fine,
is working fast,
change locales, hmh, easiest way for me: raspberry-pi-konfiguration,
wifi manually created - Advanced Network Config., working
synaptic didn find onboard (simple screen keyboard) but Add / Remove Software by rasp. did it

was so proud, and then ...
jerry comes with some kind of patch around the corner ;-)

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:48 am**

Thanks, very helpful.

1) Did you see/use the keyboard icon at the top right of the login screen? I could move that to the middle...
2) In Fluxbox the keyboard is traditionally changed with the rootMenu: right-click desktop > Settings > Keyboard.
3) If you use RPi Config to set locale, does that change the keyboard? If yes, then I can get rid of the clunky Fluxbox method altogether.

It would be nice to have that automated...will look into that for Final

==the patch brings onboard installed

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:53 am**

how fragile are some of these changes? If we push an update to some package to the repos, are your changes going to get nuked? what about the reset functions in mx-tweak and mx-fluxbox install script? running those on b1 wipes out the defaults as currently set for the pi.

I don't normally worry too much about respins and what happens during updates, but I think some extra care may be warranted for this one.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:12 am**

Good question, and important. I don't have a ready answer but will add it to the Big issues list.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:14 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:48 am Thanks, very helpful.

In Fluxbox the keyboard is traditionally changed with the rootMenu: right-click desktop > Settings > Keyboard. If you use RPi Config to set locale, does that change the keyboard? If yes, then I can get rid of the clunky Fluxbox method.

It would be nice to have that automated...will look into that for Final

==the patch brings onboard installed

Jerry, I'm just throwing together a 'first steps' guide; it will show how to set those thing from the Rapsi config.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:17 am**

As can be seen, each element of the Pi config is dealt with separately.

(Jerry, I'm fine if you don't use this. Feel free to hack it around.)

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:21 am**

Thanks, Chris! I

documentation...

BTW, this project may be getting some (wobbly) legs:

1) SF downloads at 741 this morning--don't know really how to judge, but that seems pretty decent
2) the Intro vid has been viewed by some 2,500 unique viewers YT says, only 5% are subscribers
3) US percentage dropped to 23%, UK, Germany and Spain in top 4

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:09 am**

@dolphin_oracle If those 2 reset buttons backup the existing and repopulate from skel I would think we would be OK. Will test.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:07 am**

Hey, I have a solution for the headphone issue after snooping around some more! When I log in and I get that service not available message, I can run this command to get it to reconnect to the audio sink:

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rm -r ~/.config/pulse; pulseaudio -k

There is a place on the blueman Headphones plugin for a command, and I'm going to try putting it there.

EDIT: no, that made no difference. But running the command works and I can link it to the audio sink,

I have an old BT keyboard that I going to test later, this may just be a Headphones issue.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:13 am**

I often transfer files from a remote machine on my network, with two instances of Thunar open. A progress box pops up during transfer. Until B2, this worked normally.

Now, that progress box is huge. After re-sizing it, the next time it opens it is huge again.

I wonder if this is related to the changes made to centre Thunar on opening? (I actually don't like this, because the two instances end up exactly on top of each other, but the way I use it may be atypical.)

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:16 am**

Does it do the same with two tabs in a single Thunar instance?

Could you use FB's remember function?

BTW: you can rmove Th off dead center, right?

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:20 am**

Where would be a good place to reset Headphones? I could do a little script and link to it from the rootMenu, and rofi -show drun would find it if I create a desktop file.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:56 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:09 am @dolphin_oracle If those 2 reset buttons backup the existing and repopulate from skel I would think we would be OK. Will test.

they do back up. the reset all just runs the install_flux.sh script. the reset dock and reset menu pulls from /usr/share.

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QFileInfo resetALL("/usr/bin/mxflux_install.sh");
    QFileInfo resetDefaultDock("/usr/share/mxflux/.fluxbox/scripts/DefaultDock.mxdk");
    QFileInfo resetDefaultMenu("/usr/share/mxflux/.fluxbox/menu-mx");

I can change them, but even if they pulled from etc/skel, etc/skel is changed during mx-fluxbox updates.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:12 pm**

Hey, I solved the BT headphones problem. I wrote a little script:

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#!/bin/bash

rm -r ~/.config/pulse; pulseaudio -k

exit

Then linked to that in the startup file. Now everytime if I have my speaker running and log out and back in, I right-click the BT icon in the systray > Recent connections and highlight the speaker--ta dah!

I currently have the script in ~/.fluxbox/scripts though not sure if I should leave it there or put it *downstairs* in /usr/bin

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:35 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:16 am Does it do the same with two tabs in a single Thunar instance?

Could you use FB's remember function?

BTW: you can rmove Th off dead center, right?

When using tabs, the progress box is still huge.

Changing the progress box size, then setting 'Remember' sticks.

Thunar can be moved OK

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:00 pm**

Good.

Tested a BT mouse, worked OOTB.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:05 pm**

Right-click menu>File Manager opens /home/pi/.fluxbox.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:15 pm**

chrispop99 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:05 pm Right-click menu>File Manager opens /home/pi/.fluxbox.

Chris

it does in standard mx-fluxbox too

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:06 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:15 pm
chrispop99 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:05 pm Right-click menu>File Manager opens /home/pi/.fluxbox.

Chris
it does in standard mx-fluxbox too

Oh OK. Never noticed that!

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:59 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:56 am
Jerry3904 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:09 am @dolphin_oracle If those 2 reset buttons backup the existing and repopulate from skel I would think we would be OK. Will test.
they do back up. the reset all just runs the install_flux.sh script. the reset dock and reset menu pulls from /usr/share.
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QFileInfo resetALL("/usr/bin/mxflux_install.sh");
    QFileInfo resetDefaultDock("/usr/share/mxflux/.fluxbox/scripts/DefaultDock.mxdk");
    QFileInfo resetDefaultMenu("/usr/share/mxflux/.fluxbox/menu-mx");
I can change them, but even if they pulled from etc/skel, etc/skel is changed during mx-fluxbox updates.

OK, thanks. I'll think about this some more, but it looks to me right now that when /etc/rpi-issue is present then skel should not be overwritten. As long as it is not overwritten, then the reset buttons can point to it IMO.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:42 pm**

so you will never update /etc/skel?

in that case, just set up the files and remove the mx-fluxbox packages. no updates, not problems.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:49 pm**

so you will never update /etc/skel?

Not externally, no--at least not that I can see. But mx-fluxbox brings other items we use ATM. In the components folder, for instance, like those desktop files, the version file for About MX-Fluxbox, the exit-options package, etc. That folder may be the only place, but I'll have to look carefully.

Maybe we could duplicate the ones I need into a separate repo with a name like "mxfbpi-data" ? (can we symlink between repos?) If we were going to do something like that it would be really good to do it before this goes to Final.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:53 pm**

And while we're thinking about that, how would users get new MX Tools--like the Job Scheduler, which would be extremely useful for the Pi crowd? Any chance we could include that marked as a beta that shows for now only in MXFBPi? Not sure how that would be done...

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:57 pm**

Back to regular programming..

I saw for the first time an icon shift on the dock that someone mentioned on Facebook. The script hadn't been changed so I decided maybe adding a bit more time would help. Replaced all the "0.1" in the script with "0.2" The shifted icons returned to normal so maybe that will take care of it.

Would appreciate it if the rest of you could also make that change in the script (~/.fluxbox/scripts/DefaultDock.mxdk) so we can all keep an eye out for any shifting icons.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:50 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:53 pm And while we're thinking about that, how would users get new MX Tools--like the Job Scheduler, which would be extremely useful for the Pi crowd? Any chance we could include that marked as a beta that shows for now only in MXFBPi? Not sure how that would be done...

We have an mx package.for apps that's specific to kde. We could do similar.

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:51 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:53 pm And while we're thinking about that, how would users get new MX Tools--like the Job Scheduler, which would be extremely useful for the Pi crowd? Any chance we could include that marked as a beta that shows for now only in MXFBPi? Not sure how that would be done...

Is it in the pi repo?

Posted: **Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:56 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:49 pm
so you will never update /etc/skel?
Not externally, no--at least not that I can see. But mx-fluxbox brings other items we use ATM. In the components folder, for instance, like those desktop files, the version file for About MX-Fluxbox, the exit-options package, etc. That folder may be the only place, but I'll have to look carefully.

Maybe we could duplicate the ones I need into a separate repo with a name like "mxfbpi-data" ? (can we symlink between repos?) If we were going to do something like that it would be really good to do it before this goes to Final.

We.can build a.similar package from the same source and have them conflict with each other so only one installs at a time and each provides mx-fluxbox-data to satisfy the dependency in mx fluxbox.

That way we keep things like translations and script updates in sync eaiser.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:24 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:51 pm
Jerry3904 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:53 pm And while we're thinking about that, how would users get new MX Tools--like the Job Scheduler, which would be extremely useful for the Pi crowd? Any chance we could include that marked as a beta that shows for now only in MXFBPi? Not sure how that would be done...
Is it in the pi repo?

No, but I could ask Adrian if he would be willing to send an armhf build only (?) to Tim. A number of us tested his update of the original without problem and there is a short thread in the Dev Forum:

viewtopic.php?f=86&t=61737

Would we have to say it was a beta since it's been out for 15 years and we are only updating?

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:12 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:48 am ...
1) Did you see/use the keyboard icon at the top right of the login screen? I could move that to the middle...
2) In Fluxbox the keyboard is traditionally changed with the rootMenu: right-click desktop > Settings > Keyboard.
3) If you use RPi Config to set locale, does that change the keyboard? If yes, then I can get rid of the clunky Fluxbox method altogether.
...

1. Have seen it, didn`t recognize or to late. No real problem, rembers to old DOS times
2. Flux is for first time users ... hmh, not so intuitive. Raspian LXDE looks more familiar to me ;-)
3. Yes, changed everything comfortable.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:07 am**

Thanks. About 1): I need to find out how to get a keyboard icon and not just the language code ("US"). About 2): the LXDE version is very good.

I have actually changed the rootMenu entry in B2 now to remove the keyboard entry and just launch Raspberry Pi Config. It's interesting how this respin is changing the Fluxbox side as we understand better the interaction between the two.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:23 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:07 am Thanks. About 1): I need to find out how to get a keyboard icon and not just the language code ("US"). About 2): the LXDE version is very good.

I have actually changed the rootMenu entry in B2 now to remove the keyboard entry and just launch Raspberry Pi Config. It's interesting how this respin is changing the Fluxbox side as we understand better the interaction between the two.

our ligthdm-gtk-greeter.conf has both language and keyboard menus.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:57 am**

our ligthdm-gtk-greeter.conf has both language and keyboard menus.

Thanks, I'll check that out.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:11 am**

I worked my way down Application Finder>All Applications, and noted the following:

Brightness Controller Simple did nothing
Compton did nothing
Debian Reference Guide opens In Firefox
There are entries for both Claws Mail and Mail Reader
MX Fluxbox deems superfluous
MX User Manual may not be entirely relevant
nitrogen does nothing
Screens warns 'XScreenSaver daemon not running'
Tint2 does nothing
Web browser opens Firefox
1st entry for Xfce Terminal is actually for terminal preferences

Chris

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:27 am**

chrispop99 wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:11 am I worked my way down Application Finder>All Applications, and noted the following:

Brightness Controller Simple did nothing
Compton did nothing
Debian Reference Guide opens In Firefox
There are entries for both Claws Mail and Mail Reader
MX Fluxbox deems superfluous
MX User Manual may not be entirely relevant
nitrogen does nothing
Screens warns 'XScreenSaver daemon not running'
Tint2 does nothing
Web browser opens Firefox
1st entry for Xfce Terminal is actually for terminal preferences

Chris

most of those aren't on mx-fluxbox standard so I can't comment. a few notes:

1. tint2 only looks like it does nothing. it actually starts a second panel overtop of the running one.

2. Mail Reader and Web Browser are part of the exo-utils Xfce stuff. But they should be set to whatever the default for the pi spin is using. (I have b2 but haven't installed yet)

3. Does not the Xfce Terminal entry not say "Configure....". That's true everywhere, and shouldn't be changed.

4. what is the compton action pointing to? compton itself has no gui, so its possible the compositor started. on my standard fluxbox setup, starting compton does run the compositor, and my terminal becomes transparent they way its configured in Xfce.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:36 am**

Thanks, Chris. I will look at those in detail later, now have work.

The items opening in Firefox is just because we switched to Palemoon for testing and I was waiting to change the preferred setting until I saw what the story was.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:52 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:27 am 3. Does not the Xfce Terminal entry not say "Configure....". That's true everywhere, and shouldn't be changed.

Nope:

Screenshot_2021-02-02_14-50-02.png

The top one is actually for setting config.

Chris

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:55 am**

chrispop99 wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:52 am
dolphin_oracle wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:27 am 3. Does not the Xfce Terminal entry not say "Configure....". That's true everywhere, and shouldn't be changed.
Nope:

Screenshot_2021-02-02_14-50-02.png

The top one is actually for setting config.

Chris

weird. I haven't looked on the pi, but this is what is present on standard fluxbox

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:00 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:27 am 4. what is the compton action pointing to? compton itself has no gui, so its possible the compositor started. on my standard fluxbox setup, starting compton does run the compositor, and my terminal becomes transparent they way its configured in Xfce.

The menu entry is 'compton'. It does nothing when clicked. When run from a terminal, the message 'Another composite manager is already running' is shown. There is no terminal transparency.

Chris

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:01 am**

chrispop99 wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:00 am
dolphin_oracle wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:27 am 4. what is the compton action pointing to? compton itself has no gui, so its possible the compositor started. on my standard fluxbox setup, starting compton does run the compositor, and my terminal becomes transparent they way its configured in Xfce.
The menu entry is 'compton'. It does nothing when clicked. When run from a terminal, the message 'Another composite manager is already running' is shown. There is no terminal transparency.

Chris

I actually suspect compton is running then when you launched it from the menu, but it doesn't do anything. I wonder if the graphics on the pi support compositing.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:03 am**

I don't think so, but am not sure. It comes up with some frequency on their Forum and I'll take a look.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:35 am**

Happy with the Pale Moon choice.

I do miss some of the Firefox add-ons...
Youtube behaving well now..
Facebook video: loud noise, half-muted voices..

Yesterday I installed Flatpak on the poor little Rpi 400.
only to be able to run Copyq 3.13... It works!
But why is Flatpak such a Fatpak? About the size of a small distro..
It does feel out of place on a minimal pc like the Rpi 400.

Thanks for Beta 2!

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:47 am**

flatpak itself is pretty small, but some of those runtimes can be quite large, and since they allow more than one runtime, you can have several of those things. it adds up after a while.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:30 am**

A new screenshot for my mx fluxbox rpi on raspberry pi 4 with 4 giga ram and htop

Best regards from Naples ( Italy)

gennaro

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:40 am**

Thanks, very nice!

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:28 pm**

I went through the list of Appfinder problems that Chris posted.

Brightness Controller Simple did nothing
--jb: works here
Compton did nothing
--discussed below
Debian Reference Guide opens In Firefox
--OK now with Palemoon as preferred browser
There are entries for both Claws Mail and Mail Reader
--discussed below
MX Fluxbox deems superfluous
--as discussed below, brings items we need
MX User Manual may not be entirely relevant
--Section 5 is the help document for Updater, if nothing else--Wrong, I pasted that into the Wiki to which Updater points. So: any need to include MX Users Manual? I'm thinking that Chris may be right...
nitrogen does nothing
--works here (it never did on your system, right?); besides, if I try to remove it it wants to take mxfb-goodies with it
Screens warns 'XScreenSaver daemon not running'
--that warning (which has been there for years) ends with a question: "Launch it now?"
Tint2 does nothing
--discussed below
Web browser opens Firefox
--OK now with Palemoon as preferred browser
1st entry for Xfce Terminal is actually for terminal preferences
--we haven't changed the desktop file but it's missing the whole Comment section that we have in MX. Maybe try a reinstall?

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:36 pm**

Just to keep track

AGENDA

Lost causes?
--Plymouth -- not for Final
--bluetooth (losing service when logging out/in, requiring rebooting)

Big causes
--how fragile are some of the changes against upstream changes in mx-fluxbox, etc.? In progress
--full Palemoon testing: should it replace Firefox ESR, what setup does it need (links on the toolbar, for example), any extensions OOTB such as an ad-blocker, etc.?
--the group of conkies that have been reported not to work: need testing and fixing, or removal (?). List below.
--update and testing of skel (not sure all of my recent changes are there, especially in little places like the clipit rc)
--volumeicon: does scrolling over it for volume change work? does here
--finalize documentation (Chris posted soundfix and first steps documents >> Bookshelf)
--final review of components: anything we don't need, anything important missing?
--NEW: systray clock takes 20-30 seconds to update when system boots up after being off for a while (at least for tint2)

Little causes
--not sure ATM

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:46 pm**

I see I never posted the list of conkies that didn't work that a Facebook user reported:

--Asq (both)
--Core Blue
--Common
--KOo Full
--Notify
--Side Diagonal

I haven't looked at this yet, just want to get it in front of our eyes.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:09 pm**

One other thing to add.
I noticed that in the startup file that there is a reference to xfce4-screensaver but I don't think you can get that in the repo.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:29 pm**

MAYBL8 wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:09 pm One other thing to add.
I noticed that in the startup file that there is a reference to xfce4-screensaver but I don't think you can get that in the repo.

Thanks, gone

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:31 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:46 pm I see I never posted the list of conkies that didn't work that a Facebook user reported:

--Asq (both)
--Core Blue
--Common
--KOo Full
--Notify
--Side Diagonal

I haven't looked at this yet, just want to get it in front of our eyes.

My testing:

2 noshows: Core Blue, KOo Full
1 deformed: Notify

--all others work as expected here. That's pretty good, only 3 out of 50 or so; not going to work on the problem ones.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:12 pm**

Re:nitrogen

The problem was that once locale was changed away from US, it wasn't possible to change wallpaper, even from the right-click menu. With the locale set to UK, I can now use the right-click menu to change wallpaper OK, but nitrogen from the menu does nothing.

Launching nitrogen from the terminal gives the same error as previously reported.

There is something screwy going on with locale settings as I get an error message at the top of the terminal screen every time I open it.

Screenshot_2021-02-02_21-10-51.png

Chris

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:28 pm**

There is something screwy going on with locale settings

That's not good. You used RPi Config to set them, I believe? What is the output of this command:

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locale

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:18 pm**

About the time delay, this Arch paragraph seems relevant

systemd-timesyncd is a daemon that has been added for synchronizing the system clock across the network. It implements an SNTP client. In contrast to NTP implementations such as chrony or the NTP reference server this only implements a client side, and does not bother with the full NTP complexity, focusing only on querying time from one remote server and synchronizing the local clock to it. Unless you intend to serve NTP to networked clients or want to connect to local hardware clocks this simple NTP client should be more than appropriate for most installations. The daemon runs with minimal privileges, and has been hooked up with networkd to only operate when network connectivity is available. The daemon saves the current clock to disk every time a new NTP sync has been acquired, and uses this to possibly correct the system clock early at bootup, in order to accommodate for systems that lack an RTC such as the Raspberry Pi and embedded devices, and make sure that time monotonically progresses on these systems, even if it is not always correct. To make use of this daemon a new system user and group "systemd-timesync" needs to be created on installation of systemd.

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:49 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:28 pm
There is something screwy going on with locale settings
That's not good. You used RPi Config to set them, I believe? What is the output of this command:
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locale

on the locale issue, the only locale generated on the b2 img is the en_US.UTF8 locale. which means even if you choose a different locale, you ain't gonna get it because they aren't present.

which makes chris' LC_ALL error message make sense.

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sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales

will allow you to select and generate locales. our system-locales-mx utility does the same, but I don't remember if that's on the PI img or not (part of mx-goodies).

Posted: **Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:19 pm**

Aha! mx-goodies is installed, but that app produces a bunch of errors.

@chrispop99 Please run the code DO posts, accepting the default "All" option (unless there is some better way to proceed). Then see if things work better, starting with nitrogen. Thanks.

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:32 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:19 pm @chrispop99 Please run the code DO posts, accepting the default "All" option (unless there is some better way to proceed). Then see if things work better, starting with nitrogen. Thanks.

I generated all locales. That gets rid of the terminal message about locales. Nitrogen still doesn't run, giving this error:

Screenshot_2021-02-03_09-10-18.png

This is a 'mature' install, so I'm starting again with a fresh image.

Chris

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:11 am**

Jeesh, thanks. Well, we're not using it OOTB so it's just an annoyance but I'd like to get it to work b/c it seems to work for the rest of the world.

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:38 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:11 am Jeesh, thanks. Well, we're not using it OOTB so it's just an annoyance but I'd like to get it to work b/c it seems to work for the rest of the world.

Are you able to make a fresh image, use the Raspi config to set locale to GB, and see if Nitrogen works please?

If it does, I'm giving up with that aspect of it! If it doesn't, somehow it needs fixing.

Chris

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:44 am**

With a fresh install, I generated all locales (it takes a long time!), selecting GB to use. I rebooted, and Nitrogen worked. I then used the sections of the Raspi config to set the other localisation elements, other than locale. Nitrogen still worked OK.

It would seem, and this makes no sense, that using Raspi config to set locale breaks Nitrogen.

Chris

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:00 am**

Thanks for the testing. That makes no sense to me, either.

Since choosing nitrogen means cancelling fehbg in startup as well, I'm going to take it off the image.

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:59 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:00 am Thanks for the testing. That makes no sense to me, either.

Since choosing nitrogen means cancelling fehbg in startup as well, I'm going to take it off the image.

OK, thanks for the heads up.

Chris

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:23 am**

When I run that command to populate Master, it takes a few seconds and then only US is created.

Screen 1 -- I accept the default "All"
Screen 2 -- I accept the default "US" for my system

After it takes its no-time-at-all to finish, I run locale -a and only the US shows. What am I doing wrong?

BTW: can I just import a file from MX?

=======================

Went back and ran the command, then manually checked the languages for most of the countries downloading. That is now generating correctly.

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:47 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:23 am When I run that command to populate Master, it takes a few seconds and then only US is created.

Screen 1 -- I accept the default "All"
Screen 2 -- I accept the default "US" for my system

After it takes its no-time-at-all to finish, I run locale -a and only the US shows. What am I doing wrong?

BTW: can I just import a file from MX?

=======================

Went back and ran the command, then manually checked the languages for most of the countries downloading. That is now generating correctly.

After running the command, I select 'All...' with the space bar, and tab to OK, then scroll to select GB as default, tab to OK, and it runs, generating them all. It takes maybe half an hour. (I've done it 5 times today!)

I wonder if things were different for you because you already have your default in place?

Chris

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:38 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:23 am When I run that command to populate Master, it takes a few seconds and then only US is created.

Screen 1 -- I accept the default "All"
Screen 2 -- I accept the default "US" for my system

After it takes its no-time-at-all to finish, I run locale -a and only the US shows. What am I doing wrong?

BTW: can I just import a file from MX?

=======================

Went back and ran the command, then manually checked the languages for most of the countries downloading. That is now generating correctly.

you can install locales-all for precomiled locale data, which we have considered in the past because generation takes so long.

there is no file to import from MX. we build the locale data during the iso build process.

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:55 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:00 am Thanks for the testing. That makes no sense to me, either.

Since choosing nitrogen means cancelling fehbg in startup as well, I'm going to take it off the image.

No, I'm not.

As already mentioned, removing it would remove mxfb-goodies as well.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:00 am**

Heads up: Microsoft repo secretly installed on all Raspberry Pi’s Linux OS

good to know, solution see point 2

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:26 am**

Thanks. It's all over the RPi Forum where people are justifiably angry. Since we're using Updater, I saw it as soon as it was enabled, and was shocked. I just deleted it b/c I knew I hadn't put it there.

Pretty bad decision on the part of RPi engineers to not let users know at least with one of those Y/n terminal questions that are so annoying.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:22 am**

Wow seems a little extreme. All they did was enable a repo server. They didn't install anything.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:33 am**

Agreed. But it's pretty tone deaf to not let (Linux) users know that the repo is being added and why, I mean it doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to figure out what the reaction is going to be.

I like this post from an engineer on the RPi Forum:

I removed that APT source because I don't need VSCode, so if you don't need it either, remove /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vscode.list

I will be removing it from the MXFBPi because anyone who needs the code will probably get the repo re-installed when downloading the software.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:53 am**

You probabky want to just disable the repo instead of remove the list file. The list file will like come back enabled after an update otherwise.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:58 am**

It's important to remember why the Raspberry Pi was created. It's never been intended to be FOSS pure, and only uses Linux because it's free of cost. It Microsoft had created a 'Windows Lite for ARM' and made it free, the Raspberry Pi Foundation would have been very likely to have used it.

The Pi was created to help promote interest in coding and physical computing amongst school children. There was no thought that it would become what it has.

Chris

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:48 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:53 am You probabky want to just disable the repo instead of remove the list file. The list file will like come back enabled after an update otherwise.

OK

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:30 pm**

1,000 downloads

Seems like a pretty good number...

EDIT: Holy Jumps! Almost 1,100 a mere 12 hrs later...

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:05 am**

I've been working on a BT keyboard setup, and have found a cron job using a time that looks like it might work:

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@reboot etc.

I'm wondering now if that might solve our slow (20-30 secs) time update problems, but still have to figure out what the command would be since "man ntp" returns nothing.

EDIT: Looks like "ntpdate" might be it, but that requires naming the servers...need to dig some more

EDIT2: Arch Wiki says "ntpdate.service" -- time to experiment!

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:20 am**

I ran and update today which updated a lot packages.
I rebooted and my new user wouldn't work. I would type in the password and then just end up back at the login screen.
I then logged into the pi user.
Tried to delete the new user and it wouldn't let me do that either.
So I created another user.
After logging in as that user firefox and palemoon would not launch. Came up with some preference or file error.
So I am back in as the pi user.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:27 pm**

Did you reboot?

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:37 pm**

I think I just logged out and logged back in.
I have now rebooted.
I think my deletion of the first user must have done something to that user.
Now when I log into that user it logs in but is at a gray debian wallpaper with only fluxbox running.
The second user still can't launch palemoon.
Error screen says:
Your palemoon profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:55 pm**

No idea what you've done, sorry. The upgrades had no problems for me. Do you have outside repos enabled?

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:12 pm**

No outside repos
Just upgraded from the patch and then the normal upgrade.
I will reinstall and try again and see what happens.
Do I still use the patched B1 to get the B2 or is there any new downloads?

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:58 pm**

Same procedure, start with original and apply patch

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:47 pm**

I think I found my problem and now I just need to figure out how to fix it.
I found out that root is the owner of my new users .cache folder and it won't let my user create files or folders there.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:23 pm**

Well good luck with that. Might try "sudo thunar," navigate to that folder and right-click to change permissions.
=============
I have take a couple of documents Chris put together on RPi Config and Sound, then added a Bluetooth and a short Wifi section. Now called "First Steps" but that title is not chiseled in stone.

Draft--please review.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:34 am**

Hi:
I am trying to install PcmanFM in this version of MXpi, it is supposed to install the same version 1.3.1 as in the base MX Fluxbox, but in this one the dual panel option does not appear anywhere, which is exactly what I need... Does anyone know why? I have installed everything I can think of that appears in the installer and it still does not appear...
Greetings from Senpai

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:12 am**

I've never used PCmanFM but I'll take a look (it's not just a setting?).

Thanks for the question.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:49 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:12 am I've never used PCmanFM but I'll take a look (it's not just a setting?).

Thanks for the question.

In pcmanfm of MX Fluxbox, there is an option "F3" to open another panel, obviously it does not work because "F3" in Fluxbox opens another file manager window, but there is the option to mark it with the mouse, and instead in MXrpi does not appear that option and they are supposed to be the same version of PCmanfm, I do not understand ....

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:54 am**

I am also noticing very slow this version of MXrpi, Conki shows me a low processor and memory consumption, but even with free ram memory the 100MB swap memory is filled... Palemon is running very slow... I could swear that in Raspbian things don't go so slow...
How can I get information about what makes it so slow to add it here? just in case it helps....
I have a raspberry 3 B.
Best regards

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:32 am**

I have no experience with the Pi 3B, but its older/weaker processor may be at fault. This OS is really best on the Pi 4 or 400 (and later).

Click on the MX Tools icon in the dock > Quick System Info, and paste back (just click in a new reply) the output.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:21 am**

Install pcmanfm-qt and you will get a split screen, but not that I can see with the standard version.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:39 am**

I would like to install for Palemoon by default the theme "PMChrome" and "Adblock Lattitude". Any objections?

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:41 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:39 am I would like to install for Palemoon by default the theme "PMChrome" and "Adblock Lattitude". Any objections?

how are you going to make those available to second users?

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:58 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:41 am
Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:39 am I would like to install for Palemoon by default the theme "PMChrome" and "Adblock Lattitude". Any objections?
how are you going to make those available to second users?

Don't know yet, but I'm hoping to put a file/folder into skel with at least the theme. That theme is much less dorky looking than the default to my eyes.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:25 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:32 am I have no experience with the Pi 3B, but its older/weaker processor may be at fault. This OS is really best on the Pi 4 or 400 (and later).

Click on the MX Tools icon in the dock > Quick System Info, and paste back (just click in a new reply) the output.

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System:
  Host: <filter> Kernel: 5.10.11-v7+ armv7l bits: 32 compiler: N/A 
  Desktop: Fluxbox 1.3.5 info: tint2 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
  Distro: Raspbian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
Machine:
  Type: ARM Device System: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B Rev 1.2 details: BCM2835 
  rev: a22082 serial: <filter> 
CPU:
  Topology: Quad Core model: ARMv7 v7l variant: cortex-a53 bits: 32 
  type: MCP arch: v7l family: 7 model-id: N/A stepping: 4 microcode: N/A 
  features: Use -f option to see features bogomips: 307 
  Speed: 1200 MHz min/max: 600/1200 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1200 2: 1200 
  3: 1200 4: 1200 
  Vulnerabilities: No CPU vulnerability/bugs data available. 
Graphics:
  Device-1: bcm2708-fb driver: bcm2708_fb v: kernel bus ID: N/A 
  chip ID: brcm:soc 
  Device-2: bcm2835-hdmi driver: N/A bus ID: N/A chip ID: brcm:soc 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: fbturbo 
  resolution: 1920x1080~N/A 
  OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 9.0.1 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 19.3.2 
  compat-v: 3.1 direct render: Yes 
Audio:
  Device-1: bcm2835-audio driver: bcm2835_audio bus ID: N/A 
  chip ID: brcm:bcm2835_audio 
  Device-2: bcm2835-hdmi driver: N/A bus ID: N/A chip ID: brcm:soc 
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.10.11-v7+ 
Network:
  Device-1: Standard Microsystems SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter 
  type: USB driver: smsc95xx bus ID: 1-1.1:3 chip ID: 0424:ec00 
  IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
  IF-ID-1: wlan0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 28.90 GiB used: 4.88 GiB (16.9%) 
  ID-1: /dev/sda type: USB vendor: Philips model: USB Flash Drive 
  size: 28.90 GiB block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B 
  serial: <filter> rev: PMAP scheme: MBR 
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw size: 28.64 GiB size: 28.07 GiB (97.99%) 
  used: 4.83 GiB (17.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
  ID-2: /boot raw size: 256.0 MiB size: 255.7 MiB (99.89%) 
  used: 48.1 MiB (18.8%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sda1 
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 41.9 C mobo: N/A 
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
  1: deb http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/ buster main contrib non-free rpi
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
  1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ buster non-free main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list 
  1: deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ buster main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vscode.list 
  1: deb [arch=amd64,arm64,armhf] http://packages.microsoft.com/repos/code stable main
Info:
  Processes: 168 Uptime: 15m Memory: 1001.8 MiB used: 739.0 MiB (73.8%) 
  gpu: 256.0 MiB Init: systemd v: 241 runlevel: 5 target: graphical.target 
  Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 alt: 8 Shell: quick-system-in 
  running in: quick-system-in inxi: 3.0.32

[/code]
The task manager shows me Paleemon consuming 287 MB with a tab, I'll try to disable some of the extensions I have, it may be that...

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:32 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:21 am Install pcmanfm-qt and you will get a split screen, but not that I can see with the standard version.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I see that it installs 53 more packages, that does not compensate... I'll settle for "Spacefm" which is light and does not depend on so many packages.
Best regards

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:22 am**

The SF downloads are pretty interesting, now at 1287.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:39 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:22 am The SF downloads are pretty interesting, now at 1287.

I'm not surprised; there are lot of Pi machines out there. It would be interesting to get some feedback from testers.

Chris

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:43 am**

how are you going to make those available to second users?

Guess I can't, so those little suckers can just deal by themselves!

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:55 am**

Senpai wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:54 am I am also noticing very slow this version of MXrpi, Conki shows me a low processor and memory consumption, but even with free ram memory the 100MB swap memory is filled... Palemon is running very slow... I could swear that in Raspbian things don't go so slow...
How can I get information about what makes it so slow to add it here? just in case it helps....
I have a raspberry 3 B.
Best regards

Have you tried the recent version of Raspian, now re-named Raspberry Pi OS? You will find that is a bit slower than it used to be, as extra things have been added.

I tested this Beta on a Pi 3 B, and although it is much slower than on a Pi 4 or 400, it was still just about useable. It felt faster than Raspian on the same hardware to me.

Chris

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:57 pm**

Guys,
Are there instructions somewhere on how to add - delete dock items.
My new user dock has firefox and I want it to have palemoon instead.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:32 pm**

Dockmaker: right click desktop Menu > Appearance > Dock. Help in Fluxbox documentation (F1), the Wiki or my videos.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:36 pm**

MAYBL8 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:57 pm Guys,
Are there instructions somewhere on how to add - delete dock items.
My new user dock has firefox and I want it to have palemoon instead.

Right-click desktop, Appearance>Dock>Edit>Open. You may need the help file.

Chris

Curses - Ninja'd!

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:40 pm**

Thanks guys that helped.
@Jerry3904 Did you see my post about the .cache file owned by root on my new user I created.

Another issue I have run into is I installed Audacity and when it starts it gives me this message:

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../src/gtk/dcclient.cpp(2038): assert "m_window" failed in DoGetSize(): GetSize() doesn't work without window

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:41 pm**

I answered the first, but don't know much about it. And even less about Audacity--Google the error message and see what you come up with.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:53 pm**

Jerry,
I don't think you understood what I was saying.
If I log in a pi user pi is the owner of the .cache folder.
If I log in as my new user root is the owner of the folder. Shouldn't it be my new user?

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:28 pm**

I guess, but it's hard to see how that happened so hard to suggest correcting besides the right-click method I suggested.

You also might just use MX User Manager to create a new one, being careful to look at all the options.

Posted: **Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:38 am**

[/quote]
Have you tried the recent version of Raspian, now re-named Raspberry Pi OS? You will find that is a bit slower than it used to be, as extra things have been added.
I tested this Beta on a Pi 3 B, and although it is much slower than on a Pi 4 or 400, it was still just about useable. It felt faster than Raspian on the same hardware to me.
Chris
[/quote]
No, I'm using an updated Rasbian installation, possibly that's why it's faster on PI3B as you say?
What worries me is that MXrpi does not seem to consume much memory or processor according to Conky, but it takes a long time to start the programs, and for example Palemon loads 100% of the swap file, when it has 300MB of free ram...

Posted: **Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:10 am**

Maybe it's just not going to work on your system for some reason.

Posted: **Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:56 am**

Whoa, now I see where the download spike is coming from. Not only was there an item in Google News, but I just watched two excellent and highly laudatory videos by leepsvideo with many useful observations and suggestions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Me1dz86qLI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elnn3joIxWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elnn3jo ... e=youtu.be

Love his lead in the second: "This is one of the best OS experiences on Pi 4 / 400 and it’s still in beta"

Posted: **Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:15 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:56 am Whoa, now I see where the download spike is coming from. Not only was there an item in Google News, but I just watched two excellent and highly laudatory videos by leepsvideo with many useful observations and suggestions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Me1dz86qLI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elnn3joIxWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elnn3jo ... e=youtu.be

Love his lead in the second: "This is one of the best OS experiences on Pi 4 / 400 and it’s still in beta"

He was unsure why desktop icons didn't appear, so I have commented on iDesk, the help files, and the link to the Wiki.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:43 am**

Thanks. He makes a lot of good suggestions, huh? I will make a list today for us to think over.

Posted: **Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:46 am**

BTW: I put up on GDrive the DeepL translations of "First Steps" for review, and posted for help on Facebook.

https://rb.gy/kxhyk7

Posted: **Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:23 am**

After snooping around on the clock problem, I'm testing a little script that I have being run when the system boots -- thanks to the new MX Tool: Job Scheduler.

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#! /bin/bash

service stp stop
ntpd -gq
service ntp start

Have it in /usr/bin and it didn't crash the system when I rebooted so we'll see if it works after the system is off for 12 hours.

Posted: **Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:27 am**

Your First Steps page 2 shows:

Display
Underscan Enabled Disabled
and says if a black border - click Enabled

When I boot I see:

Display
Overscan Enable Disable
and with a black border must - click Disable

Earl

Posted: **Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:48 am**

old_guy wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:27 am Your First Steps page 2 shows:

Display
Underscan Enabled Disabled
and says if a black border - click Enabled

When I boot I see:

Display
Overscan Enable Disable
and with a black border must - click Disable

Earl

Well spotted! I thought I had got that the right way around; I double-checked because I find it confusing that underscan means the opposite to me.

Sorry @Jerry; would you change the graphic (attached), and alter enable to disable please?

Chris

Posted: **Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:53 am**

Sure, we have time. Thanks to you both.

Posted: **Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:57 pm**

Scriptease:

1) I'm still trying to get ntp to update and, after a failure, I am adding "sleep 60" to give the internet time to come up. Test tomorrow.

2) I've been seeing the dock fail with RPi Config a couple of time, so I stuck that long command in a script and just point to the script now from the dock script. No failure so far...

Posted: **Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:02 pm**

on 1), getting closer.

Adrian (now the proud owner of a Pi 400) asked me about a load meter for the systray. I came up empty, but worked out a terrific (if I say so myself) workaround: a new button between the systray and the clock where LC > xosview and LX > lxtask. That will be in Final.

Posted: **Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:21 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:02 pm on 1), getting closer.

Adrian (now the proud owner of a Pi 400) asked me about a load meter for the systray. I came up empty, but worked out a terrific (if I say so myself) workaround: a new button between the systray and the clock where LC > xosview and LX > lxtask. That will be in Final.

Now if that could show CPU temp (always useful on a Pi 4), that would be great!

Chris

Posted: **Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:29 pm**

I'll tell ya, I get no respect!

(It also doesn't give HD free space, at least in default config.)

Posted: **Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:21 pm**

What about using a conky like - MX-APInfo. It has CPU % and SYS TEMP
Or have someone make one with just those two displays.
PS
It also shows HD % and RAM

Posted: **Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:22 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:29 pm I'll tell ya, I get no respect!

(It also doesn't give HD free space, at least in default config.)

Lots of seasoned Pi users tend to watch temps as they run over-clocked. Not a problem with the Pi 400 as it runs really cool stock.

I intend to push my Pi 400 soon, to see what it will cope with.

Chris

Posted: **Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:24 pm**

old_guy wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:21 pm What about using a conky like - MX-APInfo. It has CPU % and SYS TEMP
Or have someone make one with just those two displays.
PS
It also shows HD % and RAM

Thanks; I have my own solution using the terminal when I need to test, but it's good to have things in place for other users.

Chris

Posted: **Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:52 pm**

old_guy wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:21 pm What about using a conky like - MX-APInfo. It has CPU % and SYS TEMP
Or have someone make one with just those two displays.
PS
It also shows HD % and RAM

Yup, thanks. The request was specifically for a panel monitor.

Posted: **Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:10 pm**

don't know if anyone asked this yet but how do I get to a root prompt.
I tried su - but it doesn't like any password I try.

Edit: its sudo su

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:26 pm**

@chrispop99 or anybody else interested: I have continued to try to solve the time lag problem, and may have got something that will work. Please install ntpsec, which will remove the other ntp programs. I rebooted a machine that had been off and could actually see the time be corrected in the upper left corner of the login page.

I had also removed fake-hwclock (designed for OS that, like RPi, have no RTC=real time clock) after coming across multiple comments that it conflicts with modern ntp programs. It could have been that was the trigger as well. All I want is to get this settled and, once it is, I think you and I are agreed that it is time to go to Final.

Best will be if you boot up an image that has been off for a number of hours, and I hope that the first time change which I witnessed wasn't just temporary. TIA

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:02 pm**

YES! Switched to Master, repeated installation of ntpsec and removal of fake-hwclock, rebooted and could watch the clock on the login top panel start out at the wrong time and by the time I finished my login--get corrected.

Awesome, just awesome. This has been bugging me for a couple of weeks now--not only because it was stupid but also because it looked so amateurish.

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:42 am**

I tested ntpsec on a fresh image, rebooted, and by the time the login screen came up the time was correct. Great job finding this Jerry.

(At first I though it wasn't working, then I remembered I didn't live in the same country as you...)

Yep, it's plenty good enough for a final release at this stage.

Chris

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:45 am**

Great, thanks.

I intend to spend the weekend doing cleanup (Adrian has been pointing out stuff using his new P 400 that I never would have thought of) and making some changes with the documentation. I intend to point that "?" icon to ~/Bookshelf, and to assemble there our First Steps, a link to the the Fluxbox documentation, and the Pi docs.

Oh, and a video.

Then I will create a patch to get a couple of last eyes on an RC. by midweek.

Finally, I will create 2 patches to Final (from the original Beta and B2), a full image and the little docs that accompany it. @chrispop99 Would you be willing to set up torrents once we have the final image that you and I at least could run on our Pi 4s?

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:36 am**

What did you decide on those mx-fluxbox packages

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:39 am**

Sorry, ,which?

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:46 am**

The fact that if we push out an mx-fluxbox change it will overwrite some of your configs in /etc/skel.

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:13 am**

Ah, hadn't been thinking of that...

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:20 am**

I figured it out on the drive over this morning. we will do a seperate package for pi configs, but it will "provide" mx-fluxbox-data and conflict with the standard mx-fluxbox-data so that only one can be installed at a time.

I'll take care of the package part, just send me your configs. we need to cleanup mx-fluxbox anyway, since we want to change to pulling stuff from skel, we won't need all the stuff in /usr/share/mxflux anymore. things like the scripts will stay though.

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:23 am**

@dolphin_oracle What if I set up a daily or hourly (?) cron job:

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cp /etc/skel /etc/skel-pi

Then that alternative location could be used in User Manager if Adrian could insert some code along these lines:

If /etc/rpi-issue is present
.....use skel-pi
else
.....use skel

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:24 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:23 am @dolphin_oracle What if I set up a daily or hourly (?) cron job:
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cp /etc/skel /etc/skel-pi
Then that alternative location could be used in User Manager if Adrian could insert some code along these lines:

If /etc/rpi-issue is present
.....use skel-pi
else
.....use skel

no. just no. that introduces unexpected behavior to the user.

see my package thoughts above. it sounds harder than it is.

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:02 am**

I never saw that post b/c it came about when I was typing I guess.

Will pull together configs today.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:48 am**

I have a warning to you guys.
I have to do some learning obviously. I think my pi has been hacked.
Let me explain.
I enabled ssh on my pi.
Did some work playing around to see how it work as a wordpress server.
After it running a day I logged out and went to log in as pi user and it would not accept my password.
I logged in as another user that I set up on the pi and went into MX tools user manager and reset the password for the pi user.
Logged out and back in successfully.
Rebooted the pi and the password didn't work.
My guess at this point is someone hacked in through ssh and is running something to change the password when I reboot the system.
I am not asking you guys to solve this. Just wanting to let you know what is happening to me.
I am going to re install pi from the original image and find out what is going on.
Thank
Dan

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:24 am**

You probably don't want to enable ssh server without configing non-default passwords.

Posted: **Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:12 pm**

Progress report:

--DO spent a lot of time to clean up the mess that *somebody* had created with MX-Fluxbox and the RPi respin, MX-Fluxbox repo reorganized
--I finished formatting/ the translations of "First Steps" and have put them with the MXFB docs in /usr/share/mxflux/help. Created easy access via a tiny text file in the Bookshelf folder that just indicates their location--file name is the language codes of the translated docs (de, fr, etc.).
--Now that I have seen the very sophisticated Twister OS, I've begun to think of this respin as more of a tool than a general OS
--Installed Commander Pi and Pi-Kiss, very powerful tools for more advanced operations of all kinds
--Replaced Claws mail on the dock (it's still installed) with the Add/Remove Package app that we also have in MX Tools
--Have begun final cleanup

On target for release on Friday or Saturday--which is good b/c the week after work stuff comes crashing down on my head again.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:02 am**

Thanks Jerry3904 for a great piece of work.

One issue, though. I have tried in vain to add/modify menu items to the default dock, but when the OS is restarted, the modified items disappear. I can't seem to start a new dock either, even though the config data seem to be there. Can provide more details if required.

i would also like to run Chromium at startup, but none of the Raspian fixes I Googled seem to work.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:44 am**

You mean the default dock on the left side? There can only be one of those (it's tied to the "slit" that Fluxbox uses), but you can have more than one panel (tint2) and so many people use a second panel as a dock.

It sort of sounds like you are not yet familiar with the startup file--or, for that matter, with Fluxbox itself. You might want to read our short documentation or watch a video (starting with Fluxbox 101 in my YouTube channel).
--The default dock is named there so you can just change the name to a different dock you have created.
--That's also where you get Chromium to run at startup ("chromium &"), and of course none of the Raspian fixes work--because they have nothing to do with Fluxbox!

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:05 am**

@Jerry3904 Don't know what you are using to back up the Pi with but I found a packaged called pi-safe that is letting me back up my pi as an image to my external drive that is hooked to my pi via usb.
https://github.com/RichardMidnight/pi-safe

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:15 pm**

Thanks. I'm using a tool created by RonR on the RPi Forum. It's working well but I'll take a look at your suggestion.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:17 pm**

HEY! I have a splash working that shows my image of the RPi logo below and the MX-Fluxbox logo above it. Only shows for 2-3 seconds ATM, but that a million times better than nothing so I will be able to use it for Final.

Woot!

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:19 pm**

@Jerry3904 Also I just spun up TwisterOS. Pretty impressive.
They have done pretty good job to work with the Pi 400. Not sure how it would work on a Pi 3 or older.
They have some awesome tools and ways to make your desktop look.
They also have some of the other flavors of Pi included like the RetroPi gaming stuff.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:34 pm**

somone running on the spin please post the output of

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env

please and thank you.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:14 pm**

D_O

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SHELL=/bin/bash
WINDOWID=52428803
COLORTERM=truecolor
XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-7IMgVwAE1lYQ/agent.878
DESKTOP_SESSION=fluxbox
SSH_AGENT_PID=906
GTK_MODULES=canberra-gtk-module
XDG_SEAT=seat0
PWD=/home/pi
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=fluxbox
LOGNAME=pi
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
XAUTHORITY=/home/pi/.Xauthority
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm/data/pi
GDM_LANG=en_US.utf8
HOME=/home/pi
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LS_COLORS=rs=0:di=01;34:ln=01;36:mh=00:pi=40;33:so=01;35:do=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=40;31;01:mi=00:su=37;41:sg=30;43:ca=30;41:tw=30;42:ow=34;42:st=37;44:ex=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arc=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lha=01;31:*.lz4=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.lzma=01;31:*.tlz=01;31:*.txz=01;31:*.tzo=01;31:*.t7z=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.dz=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.lrz=01;31:*.lz=01;31:*.lzo=01;31:*.xz=01;31:*.zst=01;31:*.tzst=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tbz=01;31:*.tbz2=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.deb=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.jar=01;31:*.war=01;31:*.ear=01;31:*.sar=01;31:*.rar=01;31:*.alz=01;31:*.ace=01;31:*.zoo=01;31:*.cpio=01;31:*.7z=01;31:*.rz=01;31:*.cab=01;31:*.wim=01;31:*.swm=01;31:*.dwm=01;31:*.esd=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.jpeg=01;35:*.mjpg=01;35:*.mjpeg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.pbm=01;35:*.pgm=01;35:*.ppm=01;35:*.tga=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.tif=01;35:*.tiff=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.svg=01;35:*.svgz=01;35:*.mng=01;35:*.pcx=01;35:*.mov=01;35:*.mpg=01;35:*.mpeg=01;35:*.m2v=01;35:*.mkv=01;35:*.webm=01;35:*.ogm=01;35:*.mp4=01;35:*.m4v=01;35:*.mp4v=01;35:*.vob=01;35:*.qt=01;35:*.nuv=01;35:*.wmv=01;35:*.asf=01;35:*.rm=01;35:*.rmvb=01;35:*.flc=01;35:*.avi=01;35:*.fli=01;35:*.flv=01;35:*.gl=01;35:*.dl=01;35:*.xcf=01;35:*.xwd=01;35:*.yuv=01;35:*.cgm=01;35:*.emf=01;35:*.ogv=01;35:*.ogx=01;35:*.aac=00;36:*.au=00;36:*.flac=00;36:*.m4a=00;36:*.mid=00;36:*.midi=00;36:*.mka=00;36:*.mp3=00;36:*.mpc=00;36:*.ogg=00;36:*.ra=00;36:*.wav=00;36:*.oga=00;36:*.opus=00;36:*.spx=00;36:*.xspf=00;36:
VTE_VERSION=5402
QT_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
TERM=xterm-256color
USER=pi
DISPLAY=:0
SHLVL=1
XDG_VTNR=7
XDG_SESSION_ID=2
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
QT_PLATFORM_PLUGIN=gtk2
LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
GDMSESSION=fluxbox
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
_=/usr/bin/env

Earl

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:50 pm**

old_guy wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:14 pm D_O

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SHELL=/bin/bash
WINDOWID=52428803
COLORTERM=truecolor
XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-7IMgVwAE1lYQ/agent.878
DESKTOP_SESSION=fluxbox
SSH_AGENT_PID=906
GTK_MODULES=canberra-gtk-module
XDG_SEAT=seat0
PWD=/home/pi
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=fluxbox
LOGNAME=pi
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
XAUTHORITY=/home/pi/.Xauthority
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm/data/pi
GDM_LANG=en_US.utf8
HOME=/home/pi
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LS_COLORS=rs=0:di=01;34:ln=01;36:mh=00:pi=40;33:so=01;35:do=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=40;31;01:mi=00:su=37;41:sg=30;43:ca=30;41:tw=30;42:ow=34;42:st=37;44:ex=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arc=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lha=01;31:*.lz4=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.lzma=01;31:*.tlz=01;31:*.txz=01;31:*.tzo=01;31:*.t7z=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.dz=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.lrz=01;31:*.lz=01;31:*.lzo=01;31:*.xz=01;31:*.zst=01;31:*.tzst=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tbz=01;31:*.tbz2=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.deb=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.jar=01;31:*.war=01;31:*.ear=01;31:*.sar=01;31:*.rar=01;31:*.alz=01;31:*.ace=01;31:*.zoo=01;31:*.cpio=01;31:*.7z=01;31:*.rz=01;31:*.cab=01;31:*.wim=01;31:*.swm=01;31:*.dwm=01;31:*.esd=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.jpeg=01;35:*.mjpg=01;35:*.mjpeg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.pbm=01;35:*.pgm=01;35:*.ppm=01;35:*.tga=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.tif=01;35:*.tiff=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.svg=01;35:*.svgz=01;35:*.mng=01;35:*.pcx=01;35:*.mov=01;35:*.mpg=01;35:*.mpeg=01;35:*.m2v=01;35:*.mkv=01;35:*.webm=01;35:*.ogm=01;35:*.mp4=01;35:*.m4v=01;35:*.mp4v=01;35:*.vob=01;35:*.qt=01;35:*.nuv=01;35:*.wmv=01;35:*.asf=01;35:*.rm=01;35:*.rmvb=01;35:*.flc=01;35:*.avi=01;35:*.fli=01;35:*.flv=01;35:*.gl=01;35:*.dl=01;35:*.xcf=01;35:*.xwd=01;35:*.yuv=01;35:*.cgm=01;35:*.emf=01;35:*.ogv=01;35:*.ogx=01;35:*.aac=00;36:*.au=00;36:*.flac=00;36:*.m4a=00;36:*.mid=00;36:*.midi=00;36:*.mka=00;36:*.mp3=00;36:*.mpc=00;36:*.ogg=00;36:*.ra=00;36:*.wav=00;36:*.oga=00;36:*.opus=00;36:*.spx=00;36:*.xspf=00;36:
VTE_VERSION=5402
QT_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
TERM=xterm-256color
USER=pi
DISPLAY=:0
SHLVL=1
XDG_VTNR=7
XDG_SESSION_ID=2
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
QT_PLATFORM_PLUGIN=gtk2
LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
GDMSESSION=fluxbox
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
_=/usr/bin/env

Earl

perfect thanks!

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:28 pm**

So: having the splash AND removing all the plymouth packages has totally cleaned up the boot process. I now see the splash for 4+ secs, but not the scrolling code.(though once I did). Pretty nice change, looks much more professional.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:44 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:34 pm somone running on the spin please post the output of...

my rasp has grown legs, now lives with the girlfriend. Miss both ;-)

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:10 am**

For anyone still with me: I'm going to upload an RC today for a last quick look before heading down the slippery slope.

BTW: I added Commander Pi to the dock--a very neat tool !

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:14 am**

do you want the mx-fluxbox packages updated? if so, send them my way. I'll probably be home today because of the snow

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:30 am**

Not sure which you mean.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:36 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:30 am Not sure which you mean.

BTW: I added Commander Pi to the dock--a very neat tool !

is pi commander in the stuff you sent me already?

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:09 am**

Nope. Have a note to myself about what to do with this since it is just a downloadable folder for /home

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ym5pdf ... sp=sharing

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:21 am**

but you said added it to the dock. if that's so, then an update of mx-fluxbox-data-pi will remove it unless we update mx-fluxbox-data-pi

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:11 am**

@Jerry3904 I also have not uploaded the new mx-fluxbox set of package yet to the repo as yet. we should do that before your RC.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:21 am**

OK, I can wait.

I was hesitating b/c I wasn't sure about how to handle it yet. Can we run the install.sh file in the folder after installation?

I put the Commander Pi folder in skel and its desktop file in skel's Desktop folder. I'll send the new skel to you that includes the new DefaultDock. I have other skel changes to send as well...

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:29 am**

sounds good.

I've downloaded the source you linked. I'm not sure it should go in home anyway. give me a bit

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:34 am**

this thing is a mess. installs in the home folder, but runs with admin privileges. this is a recipe for disaster.

I'm going to try to put together a package for it. the guy doens't even have executable bits set correctly.

***ugg, that install routine puts a root-owned desktop file on the user's desktop...ugly.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:47 am**

never mind, do what you want. its hard coded to do everything in the home folder.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:56 am**

you will want to install it on your master, and copy the CommanderPi folder into /etc/skel manually, that will set it up for future added users.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:00 am**

I would also manually set the desktop file CommandPi creates on the desktop to be owned by the pi user. you don't have to worry about the version in /etc/skel, the new user creation routine will take care of that one.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:30 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:56 am you will want to install it on your master, and copy the CommanderPi folder into /etc/skel manually, that will set it up for future added users.

I've been trying that, but then when I click on the Dock icon it says permission denied. Plus I don't really want it in /home but it looks messy to move it to, say, /opt. Maybe I should just give up on this...

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:56 am**

Î am going to revert here. It's great but individual users should make their own decisions about installing it. Thanks for your help.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:05 pm**

yeah, you can't just move the thing without rewriting it, the python code deliberately looks for stuff in /home.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:31 pm**

OK, I still have some cleanup to carry out, but let's take a quick 24h look at the RC. We'll just continue to use this thread for feedback.

Here is the patch to the original B2 you created with a patch from the first beta:

https://rb.gy/5amcp6

md5sum 1d35698cb8024fc818ed2d2b7a6e6c2c RC.patch

and the command in a terminal opened to where your B2 is located should be:

xdelta3 -d -s MXFBPi_B2.img RC.patch MXFBPi_RC.img

I tested this and it looks like it worked OK.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:19 pm**

(Beta 2)

It boots to 1280 x 1024 res. (My monitor is 1920 x 1080.) I can change it using ARandR, but it reverts to the wrong resolution after a reboot.

(Never seen this on a Pi with any distro before!)

Chris

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:53 pm**

Hmmm. That's my resolution, and it may be caused by having saved the output of arandr somewhere when I was testing that after a question came up on one of those videos. I'll look.

The rootMenu has been changed so that Settings >Display> Change|Help. I don't see a script that was saved where my Help text says ATM but I suspect one is around somewhere.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:11 pm**

I can't boot it at all. Going to drop back to b2 and make sure it's not my usb stick

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:21 pm**

@chrispop99 Why do you have "B2" at the top of your post?

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:31 pm**

@DO: the patched B2 boots here w/o problem.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:33 pm**

B2 comes up fine

Rc drops to a tty

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:36 pm**

Tried 3 times - even downloaded original - applied 1st patch -loaded patched img ok - then applied 2nd patch to img that I had just loaded - fails:

Somethinh went wrong ...
sh: can't access tty: job control turned off

Earl

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:48 pm**

The patch has to be applied to the MXFBPi_B2.img == the result of applying the MXFBPi_B2.patch to the original image file that is there.

Are you sure you got the command right? Copy/paste if you can.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:51 pm**

my messages are the same as old_guys

did you do anything with video settings while you were messing around with a boot splsash?

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:03 pm**

xdelta's will tell you if you are trying to patch against the wrong file.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:13 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:51 pm my messages are the same as old_guys

did you do anything with video settings while you were messing around with a boot splsash?

I didn't but I suppose that script that set it up might have. I'll look in /boot...

But Chris got it to work?

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:17 pm**

I'll put up an entire image with the splash; it'll take a few hours.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:20 pm**

@old_guy I'm using a VGA monitor. what do you have?

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:29 pm**

I looked in /boot. Nothing I added yesterday mentions resolution.

I do see 4 kernels, don't know if that's normal. They all date from Feb 5, the date of a kernel upgrade from RPi.

kernel.img
kernel7.img
kernel|7|.img
kernel8.img

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:30 pm**

@Jerry3904 I don't think the patch is the problem. I would look into the possiblity of some sort of display settings problem. it may play into why we can't find an arandr script, but that chris' boot had the wrong resolution.

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