Support for MX and antiX Linux distros
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That's what I get for living on the West Coast US. Comments are posted while I'm still...Eadwine Rose wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 10:33 am Thanks Siamhie, post 173 holds a more extensive explanation as to why.
(which I don't get, but that is fine, I got my answer to 'where is it')
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I probably should start doing that instead of diving into the Newest Posts section when I get on the forums.Eadwine Rose wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 12:24 pm *chuckles* If you'd used the unread posts link on the top right you would have seen them.
I've decided to bite the bullet, and boot KDE MX23 with systemD, as an experiment - unless something(s) go terribly awry, I'll stick with it until the first point release of MX25.AK-47 wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 2:55 amIt is software. Software has bugs. Software can do funny things. There are talking points for and against, and the Debian wiki also contains this article: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemdbradhamilton wrote: Sat Aug 09, 2025 2:34 pmThanks for the link - when I went there, this caught my eye:
"systemd hangs on startup or shutdown
Sometimes it is necessary to investigate why systemd hangs on startup or on reboot/shutdown."
Huh????? Do the Debian devs consider this to be a standard "feature"? If so, then that's another data point *against* using systemD - if it was a bug, or even a "feature", it should have been either fixed or "enhanced" - by removing the "feature".
: - )
And my questions:- Besides all the reassurances the others have given you, my advice would be that if and when you want to move to MX25, install it FRESH and get a properly set up default system. Don't try to use the unsupported, warning-laden way of carrying out an in-place upgrade of your existing MX23 install to turn it into MX25.
- The installer allows you to do a fresh install of MX25 with the option of preserving your /home
- Before you do your fresh install, use the MX tool called "User Installed Programs" to save a list of the programs in MX23 that you installed yourself (ie, they didn't come with as default with MX23). Save that uip file elsewhere.
- After you have done your fresh install of MX25 preserving home, you can open up User Installed Programs in your new MX25 install, feed it that saved uip file, and it will help you install with a single command most of what you had installed in MX23.
- Exceptions:
1.flatpaks [anyway, once you are in MX25, there could be a newer native version of the program that works well for you so you might not need the flatpak version anymore ]
2. native programs from MX23/Debian12 repos that are no longer found in the MX25/Debian 13 repos
3. things you manually installed from external deb files.
bradhamilton wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 12:53 pm
I've decided to bite the bullet, and boot KDE MX23 with systemD, as an experiment - unless something(s) go terribly awry, I'll stick with it until the first point release of MX25.
All the desktop ISO's (MX-19,MX-21,MX-23) I install (XFCE, KDE and fluxbox) are booted to systemd and I've never run into an issue with the preinstalled software.
Great! Your previous post(s) as well as @AK-47's, have prompted me to take the plunge. My experiment will probably last for a few months (waiting for the first MX25 point release), or "deal-breakers", whichever comes first; but I wonder if the "shim" is currently "protecting" me from issues.siamhie wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 2:04 pmbradhamilton wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 12:53 pm
I've decided to bite the bullet, and boot KDE MX23 with systemD, as an experiment - unless something(s) go terribly awry, I'll stick with it until the first point release of MX25.
I commented (page 15 post #147) that I've been booting systemd with no issues. My media server requires systemd.All the desktop ISO's (MX-19,MX-21,MX-23) I install (XFCE, KDE and fluxbox) are booted to systemd and I've never run into an issue with the preinstalled software.
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inxi -SIa
System:
Host: box Kernel: 6.14.10-2-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: audit=0 intel_pstate=disable
amd_pstate=disable BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.14.10-2-liquorix-amd64
root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet
Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.1 vt: 7 dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0
Distro: MX-23.6_fluxbox_x64 Libretto October 15 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux
12 (bookworm)
Info:
Processes: 302 Uptime: 17m wakeups: 1 Memory: 61.71 GiB
used: 1.52 GiB (2.5%) Init: SysVinit v: 3.06 runlevel: 5 default: graphical
tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12 Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1668
libs: 898 tools: apt,apt-get,nala pm: rpm pkgs: 0 Shell: Bash v: 5.2.15
running-in: lxterminal inxi: 3.3.26I had literally installed it 5 minutes before the screenshot and wanted to show the init section. I hadn't gotten around to setting it up.ghunter wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 6:35 pmdrifting off topic ...I know but I am surprised you do not like nala as the faster package tool?Code: Select all
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