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Why people are not capable to read and also spread their misunderstanding?

Personally, I don't think we're ever going to see any major movement against systemd in the Linux community until some major problems start happening. That's usually how things go. If something works, the prevailing motion is no motion at all.

Wayland is an excellent example of this. X11 is the standard. It's been working for quite a while (for the most part), and Wayland is still not up to feature parity with it last I read, so there is still resistance against it in most of the Linux community.

Funny thing, much as I love KDE... I could probably migrate to XFCE if Dolphin can be guaranteed to work properly on it.

But in practice it's just not worth the effort to try that given how Dolphin basically depends on KDE and the bloat would be annoying.

Adrian wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:30 am Why people are not capable to read and also spread their misunderstanding?

Unless you are specific what you are annoyed about we are gonna have to start a guessing game....

daemonspudguy wrote: Thu Aug 07, 2025 4:42 pm Wayland is supported on FreeBSD and NetBSD, and AFAIK KDE has no plans on adding hard dependencies on systemd a la GNOME.

They wont bother.... they will just proceed as they have and pretend only systemd exists when it comes to new features, a game of inches.

Arnox wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:59 amPersonally, I don't think we're ever going to see any major movement against systemd in the Linux community until some major problems start happening. That's usually how things go. If something works, the prevailing motion is no motion at all.

Thats somewhat true, but what we are seeing is that systemd solved a number of issues with sysvinit. For instance, startup dependencies, parallelisation of such, the use of consistent format for unit service files, dynamically adjusting to conditions and being a process/service supervision suite. Sure there are better alternatives out there, but at this stage, practically anything seems better than sysvinit.

Arnox wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:59 amWayland is an excellent example of this. X11 is the standard. It's been working for quite a while (for the most part), and Wayland is still not up to feature parity with it last I read, so there is still resistance against it in most of the Linux community.

It doesn't have to be up to feature parity, it just has to work. And clearly we have desktop environments changing across to Wayland and finding that their compositing models align very well with it (KDE being an example). I noticed on my (considerably old) laptop, Wayland actually works whereas the X11 session lags. This has been the case even back when KDE's Wayland session was notoriously buggy.

rambo919 wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 4:18 am

Adrian wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:30 am Why people are not capable to read and also spread their misunderstanding?

Unless you are specific what you are annoyed about we are gonna have to start a guessing game....

I was commenting on the stuff I read in theregister link, for instance:

If that's still true, and MX Linux will now only support KDE on Wayland, then my interest in it goes way down.

It's not true. And it's clearly explained in the announcement, but let's comment on things that are not true....

Adrian wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:10 am I was commenting on the stuff I read in theregister link, for instance:

If that's still true, and MX Linux will now only support KDE on Wayland, then my interest in it goes way down.

It's not true. And it's clearly explained in the announcement, but let's comment on things that are not true....

I think it's a matter of semantic misunderstanding, it was not spelled out well enough for everyone.

rambo919 wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:18 am

Adrian wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:10 am I was commenting on the stuff I read in theregister link, for instance:

If that's still true, and MX Linux will now only support KDE on Wayland, then my interest in it goes way down.

It's not true. And it's clearly explained in the announcement, but let's comment on things that are not true....

I think it's a matter of semantic misunderstanding, it was not spelled out well enough for everyone.

Really? To me this is pretty clear:

The KDE iso will default to wayland sessions. X11 sessions are also included.

How can somebody read from this "MX Linux will now only support KDE on Wayland"?

@Adrian
As it happens, immediately following the post you quoted,

(A regrettable KDE choice)

there is a reply from the article's author :

The MX blog post says:

> The KDE iso will default to wayland sessions. X11 sessions are also included.

You can choose X11 if you prefer, yes.

and further explanation in following posts...

Is there an approximate releasedate for MX 25? Or will it just be released when it's done?

It'll be done when it is done. :)