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Re: Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2025 11:29 pm
by siamhie
BV206 wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:05 pm
I installed Debian 13.0 Xfce in VirtualBox today. Whiskermenu has Menulibre and Mugshot populated in the Commands tab but Menulibre and Mugshot are not even installed.
I just booted back into Deb13 XFCE and just like cal, you can install Menulibre and Mugshot to satisfy those shortcuts. I don't know why they would be left off the ISO.
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siamhie@deb13:~$ apt policy mugshot
mugshot:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 0.4.3-1
Version table:
0.4.3-1 500
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie/main amd64 Packages
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siamhie@deb13:~$ apt policy menulibre
menulibre:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 2.2.2-2
Version table:
2.2.2-2 500
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie/main amd64 Packages
Re: Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:21 am
by BV206
siamhie wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 9:42 pm
I didn't realize I had to install a plugin.
Is it the same for Debian 12 XFCE? Maybe holdovers?
Yes. I don't think Debian touches Xfce at all but I could be wrong. The default plain vanilla is the top panel with Applicatons Menu and bottom panel configured as a dock and Adwaita theme and icons. I don't know about menulibre and mugshot missing.
Re: Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:27 am
by BV206
Xubuntu and Linux Mint come with whiskernmenu enabled, menulibre and mugshot but I don't remember if they ever update to the latest Xfce version.
Re: Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:57 am
by BV206
xfce4-docklike-plugin (Docklike Taskbar that MX uses instead of Window Buttons) is in the Debian 13 repos. It wasn't in 11 and 12.
I added it and it seems to work the same as in MX except when I tried to pin Mousepad text editor for some reason the icon opens the settings and not the editor.
Re: Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 10:33 am
by siamhie
BV206 wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:21 am
siamhie wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 9:42 pm
I didn't realize I had to install a plugin.
Is it the same for Debian 12 XFCE? Maybe holdovers?
Yes. I don't think Debian touches Xfce at all but I could be wrong. The default plain vanilla is the top panel with Applicatons Menu and bottom panel configured as a dock and Adwaita theme and icons. I don't know about menulibre and mugshot missing.
Debian probably just repackages it for distribution.
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Re: Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 11:13 am
by Stuart_M
asqwerth wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 11:11 pm
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MX packaging team packaged XFCE 4.20 themselves to be compatible with MX23, sometime after the first point release of MX23.
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It was MX-23.5 (January 2025) that started using Xfce 4.20 (vice 4.18).
Re: Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 11:43 am
by Stevo
BV206 wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:05 pm
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Then I installed Linux Mint 22.2 Beta Xfce and was shocked to find that they are still on Xfce version 4.18.
I hope MX 25 does better than that.
Well, yes, since MX 25 is based on Trixie, we'll have the same XFCE. If 4.22 comes out in the next couple years, then we'll try and backport that for MX 25.
Everything that I can find says Mint 22.2 uses Ubuntu 24.04's XFCE 4.20.
Re: Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 11:48 am
by BV206
Stevo wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 11:43 am
Everything that I can find says Mint 22.2 uses Ubuntu 24.04's XFCE 4.20.
I thought they would be on 4.20 by now but running dpkg -l on the beta iso shows
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ii xfce4-appfinder 4.18.0-1build2 amd64 Application finder for the Xfce4 desktop environment
ii xfce4-cpufreq-plugin:amd64 1.2.8-2build2 amd64 cpufreq information plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii xfce4-datetime-plugin:amd64 0.8.3-1build2 amd64 date and time plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii xfce4-dict 0.8.6-1build2 amd64 Dictionary plugin for Xfce4 panel
ii xfce4-eyes-plugin:amd64 4.6.0-1build2 amd64 eyes that follow your mouse for the Xfce4 panel
ii xfce4-helpers 4.18.4-0ubuntu3 amd64 helpers for the Xfce4 desktop environment
ii xfce4-indicator-plugin 2.4.2-1build2 amd64 plugin to display information from applications in the Xfce4 panel
ii xfce4-mailwatch-plugin 1.3.1-1build2 amd64 mail watcher plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii xfce4-notifyd 0.9.4-1 amd64 simple, visually-appealing notification daemon for Xfce
ii xfce4-panel 4.18.4-1ubuntu0.1 amd64 panel for Xfce4 desktop environment
ii xfce4-places-plugin:amd64 1.8.3-1build2 amd64 quick access to folders, documents and removable media
ii xfce4-power-manager 4.18.3+mint1 amd64 power manager for Xfce desktop
ii xfce4-power-manager-data 4.18.3+mint1 all power manager for Xfce desktop, arch-indep files
ii xfce4-power-manager-plugins 4.18.3+mint1 amd64 power manager plugins for Xfce panel
ii xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin:amd64 0.4.8-1build2 amd64 Xfce4 panel plugin to control pulseaudio
ii xfce4-screenshooter 1.10.5-1build1 amd64 screenshots utility for Xfce
ii xfce4-session 4.18.3-1mint1+zara amd64 Xfce4 Session Manager
ii xfce4-settings 4.18.4-0ubuntu3 amd64 graphical application for managing Xfce settings
ii xfce4-systemload-plugin:amd64 1:1.3.2-2ubuntu3 amd64 system load monitor plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii xfce4-taskmanager 1.5.7-1build1 amd64 process manager for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment
ii xfce4-terminal 1.1.3-1build1 amd64 Xfce terminal emulator
ii xfce4-time-out-plugin 1.1.2-0ubuntu3 amd64 time out plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii xfce4-timer-plugin:amd64 1.7.2-1build2 amd64 timer plugin for Xfce panel
ii xfce4-verve-plugin:amd64 2.0.3-1build2 amd64 Verve (command line) plugin for Xfce panel
ii xfce4-weather-plugin:amd64 0.11.2-1build2 amd64 weather information plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin 2.8.3-1build2 amd64 Alternate menu plugin for the Xfce desktop environment
ii xfce4-xapp-status-plugin 0.4.2+zara amd64 xapp status icon plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii xfce4-xkb-plugin:amd64 1:0.8.3-1build2 amd64 xkb layout switch plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii xfconf 4.18.1-1build3 amd64 utilities for managing settings in Xfce
ii xfdesktop4 4.18.1-1build3 amd64 Xfce desktop background, icons and root menu manager
ii xfdesktop4-data 4.18.1-1build3 all Xfce desktop background, icons and root menu (common files)
Re: Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2025 7:48 pm
by BV206
This strange. When I installed my Debian 13 VM I let it erase and use the whole disk so I only have a root partition and no boot, efi or swap. I don't remember if the installer had swap options for a file. So I have no swap also there is no /etc/sysctl.conf and /etc/sysctl.d only has a readme file. So then I tried sysctl -a to look for the swappiness settings and got this.
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$ sysctl -a
bash: sysctl: command not found
How can there be no sysctl?
Re: Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2025 8:33 pm
by siamhie
BV206 wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 7:48 pm
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$ sysctl -a
bash: sysctl: command not found
How can there be no sysctl?
Requires root.
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siamhie@deb13:~$ sudo sysctl -a | grep swap
vm.swappiness = 60
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siamhie@deb13:~$ whereis sysctl
sysctl: /usr/sbin/sysctl /usr/share/man/man8/sysctl.8.gz