Debian 13 and Linux Mint 22.2

[siamhie]

I installed Debian 13.0 Xfce in VirtualBox today. Whiskermenu has Menulibre and Mugshot populated in the Commands tab but Menulibre and Mugshot are not even installed.

I just booted back into Deb13 XFCE and just like cal, you can install Menulibre and Mugshot to satisfy those shortcuts. I don't know why they would be left off the ISO.

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siamhie@deb13:~$ apt policy mugshot
mugshot:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.4.3-1
  Version table:
     0.4.3-1 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie/main amd64 Packages

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siamhie@deb13:~$ apt policy menulibre
menulibre:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 2.2.2-2
  Version table:
     2.2.2-2 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie/main amd64 Packages

[BV206]

I didn't realize I had to install a plugin.


Is it the same for Debian 12 XFCE? Maybe holdovers?

Yes. I don't think Debian touches Xfce at all but I could be wrong. The default plain vanilla is the top panel with Applicatons Menu and bottom panel configured as a dock and Adwaita theme and icons. I don't know about menulibre and mugshot missing.

[BV206]

Xubuntu and Linux Mint come with whiskernmenu enabled, menulibre and mugshot but I don't remember if they ever update to the latest Xfce version.

[BV206]

xfce4-docklike-plugin (Docklike Taskbar that MX uses instead of Window Buttons) is in the Debian 13 repos. It wasn't in 11 and 12.

I added it and it seems to work the same as in MX except when I tried to pin Mousepad text editor for some reason the icon opens the settings and not the editor.

[siamhie]

I didn't realize I had to install a plugin.


Is it the same for Debian 12 XFCE? Maybe holdovers?

Yes. I don't think Debian touches Xfce at all but I could be wrong. The default plain vanilla is the top panel with Applicatons Menu and bottom panel configured as a dock and Adwaita theme and icons. I don't know about menulibre and mugshot missing.

Debian probably just repackages it for distribution.

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[Stuart_M]

...
MX packaging team packaged XFCE 4.20 themselves to be compatible with MX23, sometime after the first point release of MX23.
...

It was MX-23.5 (January 2025) that started using Xfce 4.20 (vice 4.18).

[Stevo]

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Then I installed Linux Mint 22.2 Beta Xfce and was shocked to find that they are still on Xfce version 4.18.

I hope MX 25 does better than that.

Well, yes, since MX 25 is based on Trixie, we'll have the same XFCE. If 4.22 comes out in the next couple years, then we'll try and backport that for MX 25.

Everything that I can find says Mint 22.2 uses Ubuntu 24.04's XFCE 4.20.

[BV206]

Everything that I can find says Mint 22.2 uses Ubuntu 24.04's XFCE 4.20.

I thought they would be on 4.20 by now but running dpkg -l on the beta iso shows

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ii  xfce4-appfinder                            4.18.0-1build2                             amd64        Application finder for the Xfce4 desktop environment
ii  xfce4-cpufreq-plugin:amd64                 1.2.8-2build2                              amd64        cpufreq information plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii  xfce4-datetime-plugin:amd64                0.8.3-1build2                              amd64        date and time plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii  xfce4-dict                                 0.8.6-1build2                              amd64        Dictionary plugin for Xfce4 panel
ii  xfce4-eyes-plugin:amd64                    4.6.0-1build2                              amd64        eyes that follow your mouse for the Xfce4 panel
ii  xfce4-helpers                              4.18.4-0ubuntu3                            amd64        helpers for the Xfce4 desktop environment
ii  xfce4-indicator-plugin                     2.4.2-1build2                              amd64        plugin to display information from applications in the Xfce4 panel
ii  xfce4-mailwatch-plugin                     1.3.1-1build2                              amd64        mail watcher plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii  xfce4-notifyd                              0.9.4-1                                    amd64        simple, visually-appealing notification daemon for Xfce
ii  xfce4-panel                                4.18.4-1ubuntu0.1                          amd64        panel for Xfce4 desktop environment
ii  xfce4-places-plugin:amd64                  1.8.3-1build2                              amd64        quick access to folders, documents and removable media
ii  xfce4-power-manager                        4.18.3+mint1                               amd64        power manager for Xfce desktop
ii  xfce4-power-manager-data                   4.18.3+mint1                               all          power manager for Xfce desktop, arch-indep files
ii  xfce4-power-manager-plugins                4.18.3+mint1                               amd64        power manager plugins for Xfce panel
ii  xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin:amd64              0.4.8-1build2                              amd64        Xfce4 panel plugin to control pulseaudio
ii  xfce4-screenshooter                        1.10.5-1build1                             amd64        screenshots utility for Xfce
ii  xfce4-session                              4.18.3-1mint1+zara                         amd64        Xfce4 Session Manager
ii  xfce4-settings                             4.18.4-0ubuntu3                            amd64        graphical application for managing Xfce settings
ii  xfce4-systemload-plugin:amd64              1:1.3.2-2ubuntu3                           amd64        system load monitor plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii  xfce4-taskmanager                          1.5.7-1build1                              amd64        process manager for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment
ii  xfce4-terminal                             1.1.3-1build1                              amd64        Xfce terminal emulator
ii  xfce4-time-out-plugin                      1.1.2-0ubuntu3                             amd64        time out plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii  xfce4-timer-plugin:amd64                   1.7.2-1build2                              amd64        timer plugin for Xfce panel
ii  xfce4-verve-plugin:amd64                   2.0.3-1build2                              amd64        Verve (command line) plugin for Xfce panel
ii  xfce4-weather-plugin:amd64                 0.11.2-1build2                             amd64        weather information plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii  xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin                   2.8.3-1build2                              amd64        Alternate menu plugin for the Xfce desktop environment
ii  xfce4-xapp-status-plugin                   0.4.2+zara                                 amd64        xapp status icon plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii  xfce4-xkb-plugin:amd64                     1:0.8.3-1build2                            amd64        xkb layout switch plugin for the Xfce4 panel
ii  xfconf                                     4.18.1-1build3                             amd64        utilities for managing settings in Xfce
ii  xfdesktop4                                 4.18.1-1build3                             amd64        Xfce desktop background, icons and root menu manager
ii  xfdesktop4-data                            4.18.1-1build3                             all          Xfce desktop background, icons and root menu (common files)

[BV206]

This strange. When I installed my Debian 13 VM I let it erase and use the whole disk so I only have a root partition and no boot, efi or swap. I don't remember if the installer had swap options for a file. So I have no swap also there is no /etc/sysctl.conf and /etc/sysctl.d only has a readme file. So then I tried sysctl -a to look for the swappiness settings and got this.

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$ sysctl -a
bash: sysctl: command not found

How can there be no sysctl?

[siamhie]

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$ sysctl -a
bash: sysctl: command not found

How can there be no sysctl?

Requires root.

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siamhie@deb13:~$ sudo sysctl -a | grep swap
vm.swappiness = 60

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siamhie@deb13:~$ whereis sysctl
sysctl: /usr/sbin/sysctl /usr/share/man/man8/sysctl.8.gz