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21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows... [Solved]
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:21 pm
by krism3
As I have progressed with this I have filled up one panel with my stuff and system stuff at Panel Preferences/Display Tab/Measurements 30 pixels max.
That's pretty tiny!
If I set "rows" = 2, I get one row with bigger icons and many are below the bottom and no idea how to access them.
What am I doing wrong?
Screenshot_2023-06-10_17-20-39.jpg
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:01 pm
by CharlesV
If you go to the Items tab in that dialog, where is your Docklike Taskbar located in the list?
If you move it up or down it will change the area of the apps in the panel. Also, that docklike area has its own sizing too if need it. ( right click on it and go to properties )
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:47 pm
by krism3
Very confused by that docklike taskbar - where is it, what is it.
Screenshot_2023-06-10_18-45-59.jpg
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:57 pm
by manyroads
krism3 wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:21 pm
As I have progrssed with this I have filled up one panel with my stuff and system stuff at Panel Preferences/Display Tab/Measurements 30pixels max.
That's pretty tiny!
If I set "rows" = 2, I get one row with bigger icons and many are below the bottom and no idea how to access them.
What am I doing wrong?
Screenshot_2023-06-10_17-20-39.jpg
I would tell you (based on my biases) that you are just being sloppy. The easy and clean way to fix the mess is to create keybindings for those apps/ items you really need, get the odd stuff 'the long way' whenever necessary. Don't keep used items around to mess up your Desktop. I would go so far as to say keep your desktop and menus clean. Truly not everything needs to clutter a desktop or menu bar. But then you should probably take my recommendations with a HUGE grain of salt. I'm just an old geek with 50 years of software experience and I'm too opinionated.
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:10 pm
by krism3
manyroads wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:57 pm
krism3 wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:21 pm
As I have progrssed with this I have filled up one panel with my stuff and system stuff at Panel Preferences/Display Tab/Measurements 30pixels max.
That's pretty tiny!
If I set "rows" = 2, I get one row with bigger icons and many are below the bottom and no idea how to access them.
What am I doing wrong?
Screenshot_2023-06-10_17-20-39.jpg
I would tell you (based on my biases) that you are just being sloppy. The easy and clean way to fix the mess is to create keybindings for those apps/ items you really need, get the odd stuff 'the long way' whenever necessary. Don't keep used items around to mess up your Desktop. I would go so far as to say keep your desktop and menus clean. Truly not everything needs to clutter a desktop or menu bar. But then you should probably take my recommendations with a HUGE grain of salt. I'm just an old geek with 50 years of software experience and I'm too opinionated.
only 50? what was your first machine? Mine was/were a 7070, 1401, 1620. Pieces of a 650 on its way out the door.
Okay I hear your solution for you.
I am used to having a bunch of icons so I can see at a glance what I have, and looking for a way to easily display those icons. "2 rows" does not give me 2 rows but a wider single row. How can I actually get 2 rows?(oh, I see, the system icons go sorta into 2 rows. 3 rows produces 4 haphazard rows and huge user icons.
Be well!
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:32 pm
by CharlesV
krism3 wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:47 pm
Very confused by that docklike taskbar - where is it, what is it.
Screenshot_2023-06-10_18-45-59.jpg
The Docklike Taskbar is the area where apps appear when running. It is a different area then the panel, but it sits ON the panel. Your pic, looks like either you are creating application launchers on it, or your squeezing it smaller (I cannot tell from the pic. )
It looks like your trying to create a bunch of application launchers. If I might suggest, this is why I run cairo-dock. And I run it on the bottom of my screen. ( Left side is panel, bottom is launchers - and I keep it hidden until I need / want it )
If you dont want to run cairo dock, then possibly a second dock at the bottom of the screen with your Launchers on it - you can configure it anyway you like, including making it hidden until mouse over too.
Either of these would resolve the issue of 'two rows' , give you MUCH more flexibility I think.
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:34 pm
by MXRobo
I'd suggest to do a combination of things.
1 - Put your most used in Keyboard>Application Shortcuts.
2 - Put some in your panel, maybe create two panels if necessary.
2a – Add some Launchers to your panel as you can add as many of the apps in it as you'd like, thereby saving panel space.
You can even add commands in "Add an empty new item"
I don't know if it's true, but I've seen recommendation in this forum to use MX Tweak to move the panel, as opposed to moving it through the panel itself IF you're going to move it.
You can save/backup you panel settings too.
I don't have any experience with this, but possibly consider adding Cairo Dock: cairo-dock.
viewtopic.php?t=75440
3 - Put your favorites in MX Menu Editor Favorites, you can change the number in favorites, size too.
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The Docklike Taskbar displays what is currently running.
And I've been incorrectly "helping" some on this forum by giving advice to add a Docklike Taskbar when I meant a Launcher – apologies.
HTDH Hope This Didn't Hurt.
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Just saw your last post. Do you want two rows or two panels?
I don't know for sure, but I think two rows may work better if the panel is horizontal – I'd move with MX Tweak.
Two panels from panel preferences. You could make some panels always visible, some not, etc.
Since you like to view a lot, possibly consider cairo-dock.
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:47 pm
by CharlesV
One additional note about cairo-dock, you can setup folder 'breakouts' so that you can see files and folders just by hovering over them if you want. it provides a GREAT way to see and 'single click' into or open items - I use it A LOT ! ( especially on busy folders with lots in it. )
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:15 pm
by krism3
Sorry for the long pause - reset panel, looking at cairo and trying to figure how to make it mesh with MX Panel w/o just duplicating things, and not finding a list of key combinations, like "win" key = MX Menu, F4 = terminal, PrtScr = screenshot, but there must be a ton of others. Looking line y line thru the manual now... like MX apps menu?
HUGE THANKS for all your help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:38 pm
by krism3
cairo got stuck, had to reboot.
Screenshot_2023-06-10_20-36-10.jpg
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:00 pm
by MXRobo
Semi-correction.
I may have meant the Docklike Taskbar because once an app displays, you can R-click it in the Docklike Taskbar and pin it.
So it displays what is currently running, but you can also pin running (displayed) apps.
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:05 pm
by krism3
cairo got stuck again - what am I doing wrong? How to cure it? Thanks!
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:29 pm
by krism3
Okay.
I uninstalled cairo for now. Maybe later.
Menu/Keyboard/Shortcuts - I have created 5 or so and that will lessen the stuff on the panel (which I reset but i said that).
FF
TBird
Skype
MX Pkg Inst
Variety
and noting
Lock screen
Display
Thunar Explorer
For now I'll mark this solved and then later try to make more useful sense of the above ideas. THANKS to ALL!!!
Re: (SOLVED) 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:04 pm
by CharlesV
Interesting ... my install for cairo is
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cairo-dock
cairo-dock-gnome-integration-plug-in
cairo-dock-xfce-integration-plug-in
and it has never failed me. I have installed it on probably 30+ machines and never had an issue. (I do run with the xfwm compositor and all shadows off. Shadows can cause some issues on some video cards I have found.)
Re: (SOLVED) 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:05 pm
by krism3
Oh. I installed from MX Pkg Instlr.
I'll try yours.
I got - and then it just stopped...
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kris@mx:~
$ cairo-dock
warning : (/build/cairo-dock-91fau9/cairo-dock-3.4.1+git20201103.0836f5d1/src/implementations/cairo-dock-egl.c:gldi_register_egl_backend:232)
Cairo-Dock was not built with EGL support
warning : (/build/cairo-dock-91fau9/cairo-dock-3.4.1+git20201103.0836f5d1/src/implementations/cairo-dock-glx.c:_initialize_opengl_backend:129)
couldn't find an appropriate visual, trying to get one without Stencil buffer
(it may cause some little deterioration in the rendering) ...
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Cairo-Dock version : 3.4.1
Compiled date : Jan 2 2021 11:22:34
Built with GTK : 3.24
Running with OpenGL: 1
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g_file_test: assertion 'filename != NULL' failed
g_file_test: assertion 'filename != NULL' failed
sh: 1: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cairo-dock/cairo-dock-launcher-API-daemon: not found
warning : (/build/cairo-dock-91fau9/cairo-dock-3.4.1+git20201103.0836f5d1/src/gldit/cairo-dock-keybinder.c:init_object:358)
Couldn't bind '<Control>F12' (Log out: Show the logout menu)
This shortkey is probably already used by another applet or another application
warning : (/build/cairo-dock-91fau9/cairo-dock-3.4.1+git20201103.0836f5d1/src/gldit/cairo-dock-keybinder.c:init_object:358)
Couldn't bind '<Control>F10' (Recent-Events: Show/hide the Recent Events)
This shortkey is probably already used by another applet or another application
warning : (/build/cairo-dock-91fau9/cairo-dock-3.4.1+git20201103.0836f5d1/src/gldit/cairo-dock-keybinder.c:init_object:358)
Couldn't bind '<Control>F1' (Applications Menu: Show/hide the Applications menu)
This shortkey is probably already used by another applet or another application
warning : (/build/cairo-dock-91fau9/cairo-dock-3.4.1+git20201103.0836f5d1/src/gldit/cairo-dock-keybinder.c:init_object:358)
Couldn't bind '<Control>F2' (Applications Menu: Show/hide the quick-launch dialogue)
This shortkey is probably already used by another applet or another application
warning : (/build/cairo-dock-91fau9/cairo-dock-3.4.1+git20201103.0836f5d1/src/gldit/cairo-dock-keybinder.c:init_object:358)
Couldn't bind '<Control>F6' (Quick Browser: Show/hide the folder menu)
This shortkey is probably already used by another applet or another application
warning : (/build/cairo-dock-plug-ins-ypV697/cairo-dock-plug-ins-3.4.1+git20201022.a0d3415c/shortcuts/src/applet-drives.c:cd_shortcuts_list_drives:321)
couldn't detect any drives
warning : (/build/cairo-dock-plug-ins-ypV697/cairo-dock-plug-ins-3.4.1+git20201022.a0d3415c/shortcuts/src/applet-load-icons.c:cd_shortcuts_build_shortcuts_from_data:310)
Shortcuts : can't monitor bookmarks
Uninstalled a bunch of cairo stuff from repo and then tried gain:
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kris@mx:~
$ cairo-dock
Command 'cairo-dock' not found, but can be installed with:
sudo apt install cairo-dock-core
kris@mx:~
$ sudo apt install cairo-dock-core
[sudo] password for kris:
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kris@mx:~
$ cairo-dock-gnome-integration-plug-in
cairo-dock-gnome-integration-plug-in: command not found
kris@mx:~
$ cairo-dock-xfce-integration-plug-in
cairo-dock-xfce-integration-plug-in: command not found
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Re: (SOLVED) 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:22 pm
by krism3
I hold my mouse over help and click on it and it freezes
Screenshot_2023-06-10_23-21-08.jpg
Re: (SOLVED) 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:27 pm
by krism3
did: don't know if correct.....
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kris@mx:~
$ sudo apt autoremove
[sudo] password for kris:
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Re: (SOLVED) 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:53 pm
by krism3
If you reset panel and add things to panel and don't re-order the icons, it looks like this, which is near usable...
Screenshot_2023-06-10_23-52-05.jpg
Re: (SOLVED) 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:01 am
by CharlesV
hey, thats not bad! Good job!
Re: (SOLVED) 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:06 am
by krism3
CharlesV wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:01 am
hey, thats not bad! Good job!
That's called "if you just use it the way they intended, dummy!!!!!!!"
Re: 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:05 am
by manyroads
krism3 wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:10 pm
only 50? what was your first machine? Mine was/were a 7070, 1401, 1620. Pieces of a 650 on its way out the door.
Okay I hear your solution for you.
I am used to having a bunch of icons so I can see at a glance what I have, and looking for a way to easily display those icons. "2 rows" does not give me 2 rows but a wider single row. How can I actually get 2 rows?(oh, I see, the system icons go sorta into 2 rows. 3 rows produces 4 haphazard rows and huge user icons.
Be well!
The first code I implemented was on a Bookkeeping system for Broadalbin Central School District (Upstate NY) in 1974. It was written to run on a Series L3000:
https://www.computerhistory.org/collect ... /102733059
https://www.computerhistory.org/collect ... /102799170
in 128 WORDS of Memory using punch paper tape memory overlays. Ah those were the days....
Re: (SOLVED) 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 5:00 pm
by krism3
Mine was a 7070 with a 1401 doing IOCS in 1962 at University which I had free use of at night. I had a bunch of 360/50's under my care by the early 70's doing trouble shooting and modification of/on IBM's Op SYS.
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As you see in above posts, I was easily able to use the standard built-in stuff in MX to get an easily usable panel. Just had to keep experimenting! I call myself Dumb that I didn't see it sooner. Oh well!
Re: (SOLVED) 21.3 Xfce Question about panel and rows...
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:27 pm
by krism3
This is another more useful version of the std panel:
Screenshot_2023-06-11_20-26-06.jpg