MX-23_KDE alpha2 feedback thread

[dolphin_oracle]

In MX Tweak System Tray icon size appears to have no affect. A native Plasma setting on the systray has a small icon setting or size with panel height that does work. Actually this was the same on MX 21

apparnently the size settings have changed since whenever tweak was set up. I think I can revise, but please confirm that there are only two options now. scale with panel and small.

Yes, there are only those two options. Of course in MX Tweak there are several sizes but they have no affect. In my opinion a size option in MX Tweak is really unnecessary. Opinions may vary.

its at minimum out of date.

[dings]

Running the MX23 alpha2 KDE in virtmanager on MX21 KDE. It is looking good.

Libre Office Writer does not apply the Application Style from KDE System Settings, neither the default style "Breeze" nor others. The application style in Libre Office is 2006-ish.

Libre Office does not use the language from System Settings. In 'Tools> Options > Language Settings > Languages' the Locale Setting is right [here: German], but language for User interface is not. In KDE System Settings it is right, and these settings work in Dolphin and Firefox.

A minor thing: Resizing icons in Dolphin (with scrollwheel or with slider at the bottom) is much more fluid in MX21 KDE (on metal and in VM) than in MX 23. It is not bad, it is ok, but not as fluid.

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System:
  Kernel: 6.1.0-7-amd64 [6.1.20-1] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-7-amd64
    root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash
  Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.2 wm: kwin_x11 vt: 7 dm: SDDM Distro: MX-23_alpha2_KDE_x64
    Libretto April 10 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Kvm System: QEMU product: Standard PC (Q35 + ICH9, 2009) v: pc-q35-5.2
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 1 v: pc-q35-5.2 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: N/A model: N/A serial: N/A BIOS: SeaBIOS v: 1.14.0-2 date: 04/01/2014
CPU:
  Info: model: AMD EPYC-Rome bits: 64 type: SMP arch: Zen 2 gen: 3 level: v3 note: check
    built: 2020-22 process: TSMC n7 (7nm) family: 0x17 (23) model-id: 0x31 (49) stepping: 0
    microcode: 0x1000065
  Topology: cpus: 4x cores: 1 smt: <unsupported> cache: L1: 4x 64 KiB (256 KiB)
    desc: d-1x32 KiB; i-1x32 KiB L2: 4x 512 KiB (2 MiB) desc: 1x512 KiB L3: 4x 16 MiB (64 MiB)
    desc: 1x16 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 2096 min/max: N/A cores: 1: 2096 2: 2096 3: 2096 4: 2096 bogomips: 16768
  Flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed mitigation: untrained return thunk; SMT disabled
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, IBPB: conditional, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling,
    PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Red Hat QXL paravirtual graphic card driver: qxl v: kernel ports: active: Virtual-1
    empty: Virtual-2,Virtual-3,Virtual-4 bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1b36:0100 class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X: loaded: N/A
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: swrast gpu: qxl note: X driver n/a display-ID: :0
    screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 507x285mm (19.96x11.22") s-diag: 582mm (22.9")
  Monitor-1: Virtual-1 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 size: N/A modes: max: 1024x768 min: 640x480
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 15.0.6 256 bits) direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 82801I HD Audio vendor: Red Hat QEMU Virtual Machine driver: snd_hda_intel
    v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:293e class-ID: 0403
  Sound API: ALSA v: k6.1.0-7-amd64 running: yes
  Sound Server-1: PulseAudio v: 16.1 running: no
  Sound Server-2: PipeWire v: 0.3.65 running: yes
Network:
  Device-1: Red Hat Virtio network driver: virtio-pci v: 1 modules: virtio_pci pcie: gen: 1
    speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: N/A bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1af4:1041 class-ID: 0200
  IF-ID-1: eth0 state: up speed: -1 duplex: unknown mac: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 25 GiB used: 9.74 GiB (39.0%)
  ID-1: /dev/vda maj-min: 254:0 model: N/A size: 25 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B speed: <unknown> type: N/A serial: N/A scheme: MBR
  SMART Message: Unknown smartctl error. Unable to generate data.
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 24.99 GiB size: 24.43 GiB (97.76%) used: 9.74 GiB (39.9%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/vda1 maj-min: 254:1
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 2 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 file: /swapfile
Sensors:
  Src: lm-sensors+/sys Message: No sensor data found using /sys/class/hwmon or lm-sensors.
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2339 libs: 1307 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude pm: rpm pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak
    pkgs: 0
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/mxlinux/packages/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
    2: deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/mxlinux/packages/mx/repo/ bookworm ahs
Info:
  Processes: 194 Uptime: 43m wakeups: 111 Memory: 5.78 GiB used: 1.52 GiB (26.3%) Init: SysVinit
  v: 3.06 runlevel: 5 default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: N/A alt: 12
  Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.25
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)

[markol]

QSI

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System:
  Kernel: 6.1.0-7-amd64 [6.1.20-1] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-7-amd64
    root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash init=/lib/systemd/systemd
  Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.2 wm: kwin_x11 vt: 7 dm: SDDM Distro: MX-23_alpha2_KDE_x64
    Libretto April 10 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Virtualbox System: innotek GmbH product: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: <superuser required>
    Chassis: Oracle Corporation type: 1 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Oracle model: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: <superuser required> BIOS: innotek GmbH
    v: VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 49.0 Wh (98.0%) condition: 50.0/50.0 Wh (100.0%) volts: 10.0 min: 10.0
    model: innotek 1 type: Unknown serial: N/A status: not charging
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core i5-8365U bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Comet/Whiskey Lake note: check
    gen: core 8 level: v2 built: 2018 process: Intel 14nm family: 6 model-id: 0x8E (142)
    stepping: 0xC (12) microcode: N/A
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 smt: <unsupported> cache: L1: 128 KiB desc: d-2x32 KiB; i-2x32 KiB
    L2: 512 KiB desc: 2x256 KiB L3: 12 MiB desc: 2x6 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1896 min/max: N/A cores: 1: 1896 2: 1896 bogomips: 7584
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX unsupported
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion
  Type: mds mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT Host state unknown
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
  Type: mmio_stale_data mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT Host state unknown
  Type: retbleed status: Vulnerable
  Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not
    affected
  Type: srbds status: Unknown: Dependent on hypervisor status
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: VMware SVGA II Adapter driver: vmwgfx v: 2.20.0.0 ports: active: Virtual-1
    empty: Virtual-2, Virtual-3, Virtual-4, Virtual-5, Virtual-6, Virtual-7, Virtual-8
    bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 15ad:0405 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: IMC Networks Integrated Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 1-4:5
    chip-ID: 13d3:56bc class-ID: 0e02 serial: <filter>
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X: loaded: vmware
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: swrast gpu: vmwgfx display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x981 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x260mm (20.00x10.24") s-diag: 571mm (22.47")
  Monitor-1: Virtual-1 mapped: Virtual1 res: 1920x981 hz: 60 size: N/A modes: max: 1920x981
    min: 640x480
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 15.0.6 256 bits) direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 82801AA AC97 Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd_intel8x0 v: kernel bus-ID: 00:05.0
    chip-ID: 8086:2415 class-ID: 0401
  Sound API: ALSA v: k6.1.0-7-amd64 running: yes
  Sound Server-1: PulseAudio v: 16.1 running: no
  Sound Server-2: PipeWire v: 0.3.65 running: yes
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet driver: e1000 v: kernel port: d020 bus-ID: 00:03.0
    chip-ID: 8086:100e class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Intel 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI type: network bridge driver: piix4_smbus v: N/A
    modules: i2c_piix4 port: N/A bus-ID: 00:07.0 chip-ID: 8086:7113 class-ID: 0680
  IF-ID-1: wwan0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 42.48 GiB used: 233.48 GiB (549.6%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: VirtualBox model: VBOX HARDDISK size: 42.48 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 1.0 scheme: MBR
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 42.47 GiB size: 41.51 GiB (97.73%) used: 9.53 GiB (22.9%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 2 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 file: /swapfile
Sensors:
  Src: lm-sensors+/sys Message: No sensor data found using /sys/class/hwmon or lm-sensors.
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2309 libs: 1259 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala pm: rpm pkgs: 0
    pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb https://ftp.arnes.si/mirrors/mxlinux/packages/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
    2: deb https://ftp.arnes.si/mirrors/mxlinux/packages/mx/repo/ bookworm ahs
Info:
  Processes: 189 Uptime: 8m wakeups: 449 Memory: 5.61 GiB used: 1.43 GiB (25.6%) Init: systemd
  v: 252 target: graphical (5) default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: N/A alt: 12
  Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.25
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)

Here are the first ones:
1. Dolphin is missing those great Service menus
2. I couldn't change the background image for monochrome login screen (works in 5.24.7)

My suggestions for MX23 KDE:
1. replace simple-scan with skanlite and skanpage
2. include krename (some Dolphin services depend on it)
3. include nala
4. rethink about including apt-notifier by default (and disabling discover notifications + systray icon; discover got better, but still sucks... and muon was removed from debian 12)
5. include qml-module-qtquick-xmllistmodel (required by some widgets) and playerctl
6. replace strawberry with audacious (in qt mode)


And I love the new boot logo animation!

[Adrian]

I'm fine with krename, not sure about nala, many people complain about multiple ways to do things "apt, apt-get, aptitude, nala, discover, mx-packageinstaller" -- and I personally use nala and like it...
I'm also file with qml-module-qtquick-xmllistmodel
Not sure about simple-scan... I will need more feedback about that, that's also what Xfce uses.

I won't add apt-notifier, discover is the default app manager in Plasma and people expect that, people who prefer apt-notifier you can install that by themselves and take a snapshot if they want to install it like that on other systems.

[richb]

Discover is integral to Plasma and should be kept. There are graphics available in Discover and not elsewhere.
I am a fan of nala and would be fine with it added.

[Adrian]

OK, will add: krename, nala, qml-module-qtquick-xmllistmodel.

What do you guys think about simple-scan.

What about "replace strawberry with audacious"

Is playerctl used for other things if we don't add audacious? Should I add it anyway?

[dolphin_oracle]

before adding nala, I think we need to confer as to whether that is a blanket add across all versions or just this one.

I would have to try audacious. I know clementine and strawberry integrate with the pulseaudio/pipewire sound controls, but i haven't tried audacious. I presume that it does. again, the question of changing apps might cover all versions. I'm sure we will be discussing app changes. the graphics viewer in the Xfce release has already been mentioned as well.

[richb]

I know clementine but not familiar with strawbwerry or audacious. (Not into those type of applications).
I tried to install simple-scan. It shows as available in the repos, goes through an install process but does not ultimately show as available??????

[Adrian]

simple-scan is already installed, it shows in menu as "Document Scanner". markol proposed to replace it with skanlite and skanpage

[markol]

What about "replace strawberry with audacious"
Is playerctl used for other things if we don't add audacious? Should I add it anyway?

Here's description from https://github.com/altdesktop/playerctl

Playerctl is a command-line utility and library for controlling media players that implement the MPRIS D-Bus Interface Specification. Playerctl makes it easy to bind player actions, such as play and pause, to media keys. You can also get metadata about the playing track such as the artist and title for integration into statusline generators or other command-line tools.

Regarding Audacious... They recently switched from GTK to QT and the 4.3 version (not yet in repos) also supports Pipewire. I've been using it since the early days - no libraries, no indexing, no fancy stuff. https://audacious-media-player.org/news ... 3-released

SimpleScan gave me headaches on various machines (all running MX21 KDE Plasma 5.24.7) and that was the reason I switched to KDE apps (it's been a year or so). No problems at all since then. However SimpleScan just works on XFCE :)