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I agree. Changing from GTK2 to 3 is actually a big thing, and there were a lot of bugfixes too.

now at 450-500 mb it's more to KDE

Is that correct for everybody?!

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:08 am

now at 450-500 mb it's more to KDE

Is that correct for everybody?!

Every picture tells a story... see attached

XFCE on MX18.3 - note uptime.

Mine is hot ....

There is simply no comparison - try it, you are a co-conspirator, baby - whether you like it or not

Jack

https://sourceforge.net/projects/mx-kde-iso/files/

JayM wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:38 am They must have improved Plasma a lot since I last used it. Even Adrian's KDE respin is slower than Xfce. I haven't tried Jack Daniel's.

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:08 am

now at 450-500 mb it's more to KDE

Is that correct for everybody?!

I'm running about 540 mb on mx19 w/ xfce 4.14.

Huh! That's quite a jump.

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:09 am Huh! That's quite a jump.

every debian jump is a good sized one. in xfce's case, the gtk3 stuff is usually larger too.

Meanwhile on Windows:
20 year old toolkit(s)
Fractional scaling
Backwards compatibility

Not every application is perfect, but it shows you don't have to break everything to implement modern features.
It's heavy though:
1.2 GB RAM (Enterprise LTSC with some tweaks)

It's proprietary and full of telemetry... Apart from the Store and UWP apps (which aren't installed), Microsoft didn't reinvent the toolkit(s) and that's appreciated. GTK3 has been a lost decade for Linux. That's my opinion anyway.

There are improvements in Xfce 4.14, but the main effort was spent porting to GTK3. And because GTK3 offers nothing except 2.x scaling, it's easy to simply say "meh", despite the considerable effort.

Then there are GTK3 regressions compared to GTK2, because everything written "from scratch" has regressions. Another throw away the baby with the bathwater type of thing. Both Xfce and Cinnamon devs seem positive though and that's the only thing that makes me believe in a GTK future.

Auro Kumar Sahoo wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:33 am

JayM wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:26 am

The performance benefit isn't as huge as it used to, because Plasma is super lean, too.

Oh, really??? That's news to me and to my computers.

Yes, the modern KDE 5.16 is 350 mb Ram with 0-1% CPU at a fresh start or idle state.(as tested on KDE neon and kubuntu minimal)

Xfce usually during 2012 has better and lower memory footprint, but now at 450-500 mb it's more to KDE.

Care to share some screenshots of that Plasma setup which uses 350MB on boot?

I do sometimes get the feeling that gnome with gtk3 doesn't really care about a lean desktop or worry about bloat. This could be an issue for a DE like Xfce that is known for being fast and lean. I've seen MATE pick up in ram use as it moved to gtk3. Plasma is is proving how a rather formidable DE can be lean and fast.