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GuiGuy
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Re: Google, Apple and Microsoft.

#11 Post by GuiGuy »

Facebook, Twitter etc. should not be included in the list because you do not have to use them (I never have and never will).
The listed three are hard to avoid if you need a computer or smartphone.
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#12 Post by mxer »

If you use the internet, you are going to be able to be tracked, end of!
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#13 Post by JayM »

GuiGuy wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 5:46 pm Android ones do not even allow you to remove their nasty in-house applications.
Sure they do. Just install a custom ROM. There are many to choose from.
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#14 Post by j2mcgreg »

I think that Microsoft and Apple were evil initiates for creating and pushing the concept that end users are licensees and not true owners of hardware and software. Google rapidly became evil by embracing and extending the notion that users' data is their data. I see Microsoft and Google as equal ongoing threats whereas Apple, due to their failure to meet sales expectations in the last few quarters, may be seen as a receding threat. Indeed, it may be that Apple has reached the market saturation point with its current market lines.
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#15 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

xali wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 5:39 pm ok the platinum members help with their money to improve the code, but if the code is improved to be more suitable for commercial use, why is that to the benefit of the community? The community is the important thing, not the code, as i see it. Is it not?
I'm not sure what you mean by "more suitable for commercial use" but the community benefits from an operating system that has professional programmers working on it.

And anyway my post was satirical in nature — Linux was pwned by corporate interests quite a while ago.

Intel is also a Platinum member of the Linux Foundation and this is why Linux doesn't disable SMT by default but OpenBSD does, the kernel developers are happy to ignore the risks to keep the sponsors happy.

The folks who complain about systemd being a Red Hat ploy to "control" Linux are looking in the wrong place...
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#16 Post by GuiGuy »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 1:05 pm.........
...... Linux doesn't disable SMT by default but OpenBSD does, the kernel developers are happy to ignore the risks to keep the sponsors happy.
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Sorry to display my ignorance: what is SMT?
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#17 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

GuiGuy wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 1:45 pm what is SMT?
Simultaneous Multi-Threading, also known as "hyperthreading".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultane ... ithreading

Linux now offers a nosmt kernel parameter to disable it but OpenBSD has a sysctl knob to enable it, such is the perceived risk.
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#18 Post by GuiGuy »

Thanks HoaS.
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#19 Post by KBD »

Google just disabled hyperthreading in its ChromeOS 74 Chromebook update:
https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/c ... -security/
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#20 Post by AK-47 »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 1:52 pm
GuiGuy wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 1:45 pm what is SMT?
Simultaneous Multi-Threading, also known as "hyperthreading".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultane ... ithreading

Linux now offers a nosmt kernel parameter to disable it but OpenBSD has a sysctl knob to enable it, such is the perceived risk.
As much as I admired OpenBSD's decision when they decided to implement it, all of the desktops I've seen (apart from those with a rubbish HP BIOS) have a setting to disable Hyper-Threading anyway. Isn't that setting enough?
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