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RedGreen925 wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 10:44 am
The devs are the normal Gnome morons who have been like that for the entire 26 years I have used GNU/Linux.
They used to be more reasonable... then with Gnome 3 they basically stuck their heads up their own.... and kept them there.
I hope that my media keys on my Lenovo ThinkPad E15 will finally work as they should with the new Debian release. It is only a minor issue in that the microphone indicator light on the keyboard did not signal whether the microphone was on or off, but the basic function to turn the microphone on and off was still there.
On Vanilla OS, which is based on Debian Sid, the light worked. I hope that this function or hardware compatibility of Sid has now also been adopted in Debian 13.
As far as systemd is concerned, I have so far only experienced with Lutris that it was not possible to install games using Wine if systemd was not available.
LU344928 wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 5:55 am
Your use of the term default implies one will be able to use x11 as well.
Yes. It's mentioned in the blog. The link to the blog is on post #1.
Currently, KDE defaults to X11 but users can switch to Wayland if they want to.
Got it.
Considering it states, "At this time, the KDE iso will ship with systemd only" it looks like I'll be sticking with MX23 for some time.
Unless I decide to switch to Fluxbox... Xfce is out of the question.
@LU344928You do have another choice.
You could try installing the sysVinit MX-25 XFCE ISO and add kde-full from the enabled tab in MX Package Installer.
You will still have access to all of the MX Tools. I've done this in the past.
*never mind. It has been pointed out that KDE 5.25 has switched to systemd. The MX devs made it possible to boot to SysVinit but I guess KDE6 is different in that respect. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#systemd_startup
This is my Fluxbox . There are many others like it, but this one is mine. My Fluxbox is my best friend. It is my life.
I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my Fluxbox is useless. Without my Fluxbox, I am useless.
Also "free" should list the swap space. I don't think it's set up even though you have a partition set up for that you need to make sure you have the entry in /etc/fstab for the swap. Do you?
mike@dell-lt:~
$ swapon --show
NAME TYPE SIZE USED PRIO
/swap/swap file 3G 0B -2
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Markus85 wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 3:17 pm
As far as systemd is concerned, I have so far only experienced with Lutris that it was not possible to install games using Wine if systemd was not available.
Must be a freak bug cause everything works fine with sysv
siamhie wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 3:24 pm
@LU344928 You do have another choice.
You could try installing the sysVinit MX-25 XFCE ISO and add kde-full from the enabled tab in MX Package Installer.
You will still have access to all of the MX Tools. I've done this in the past.
The problem is that KDE is progressively dropping support for sysv simply by ignoring it exists. Already in KDE5 you have to boot into systemd for the firewall settings to actually function (it works fine with sysv you just can't change anything) and the system monitor has missing tabs unless you run systemd. I don't even know yet what else broke in KDE6 on sysv but it can't be pretty.
Markus85 wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 3:17 pm
As far as systemd is concerned, I have so far only experienced with Lutris that it was not possible to install games using Wine if systemd was not available.
Thanks for posting this @Markus85. That was my concern, regarding mullvad installer also. Running two separate installs, one the preferred sysV and the other a side install with systemd, if wine (or mullvad?) is needed, would be a bizarre setup. Dual-boot also may not be achievable technically (depending on user's abilities). People could end up with a main sysV install not able to be used fully.
I also feel privacy matters more than ever, and that sysV is far better at that: prefer mostly offline and to run mullvad on main offline art pc to cover any online time, but, if using mullvad and/or wine wasnt possible under sysV, personally couldn't bring myself to run a systemd install. Keeping current install for as long as possible ... maybe others will be doing that too, leaving any upgrade as long as possible or even having to research other distros.
