Responses to Coming changes in impending MX 25 release.

[rambo919]

Significant data loss incident last time ran systemd

How does something like that happen?

[autumn]

No idea @rambo919 except a dbus issue happened at the same time as freefilesync doing something and I plugged in a usb. Not technical, tried to get answers, but unfortunately didn't happen. Referencing different distro in this instance, earlier this year. Have seen others report similar at times, in lots of places, but had thought such systemd issues wouldn't still be happening, and definitely hadn't thought would be worse than when ran systemd a few years ago.

[Mauser]

I have one question. Are there any common end user type applications like office, drawing, web browsers, mail, etc. that will only run on systemd, or does the init system not affect most software?

I don't run systemD and I have no issues running programs. That doesn't mean that you might come across something that requires systemD. While I am not a fan of systemD at least it worked when it came out and still works unlike Wayland that there have been many issues from the beginning and it seems it's a big taboo subject to question on what's the problem? I hope the Wayland developers get everything to work but progress has been slower than you can shake a stick at it yet the Wayland developers seemed tight lipped about it.

[mxer]

Will stick with sysV & X as long as it's available.

[siamhie]

I am looking forward to a systemd only fluxbox.

[LU344928]

KDE will have Wayland as the default desktop session.

Your use of the term default implies one will be able to use x11 as well.

I like XScreenSaver but at present it won't work on Wayland. Not that it's a necessity as KDE's screen locking is reliable, unlike Xfce's.

[rambo919]

No idea @rambo919 except a dbus issue happened at the same time as freefilesync doing something and I plugged in a usb. Not technical, tried to get answers, but unfortunately didn't happen. Referencing different distro in this instance, earlier this year. Have seen others report similar at times, in lots of places, but had thought such systemd issues wouldn't still be happening, and definitely hadn't thought would be worse than when ran systemd a few years ago.

I can only find one vague incident where the guy says FFS started destroying his ext4 externals... no mention of systemD

[siamhie]

KDE will have Wayland as the default desktop session.

Your use of the term default implies one will be able to use x11 as well.

Yes. It's mentioned in the blog. The link to the blog is on post #1.
Currently, KDE defaults to X11 but users can switch to Wayland if they want to.

[AltairIV]

......my advice would be that if and when you want to move to MX25, install it FRESH and get a properly set up default system.
Don't try to use the unsupported, warning-laden way of carrying out an in-place upgrade of your existing MX23 install to turn it into MX25.
Due to the removal of systemd-shim, etc etc, it may not go smoothly, may require manual intervention, and even with all that, may mess up your system, especially if you aren't a knowledgeable, technical Linux user.

I intend to do a fresh install of the default MX25.
Is there a way to superimpose over the fresh install, settings and files from Thunderbird, Firefox, emails, docs etc or do these all have to be added individually/manually?

[asqwerth]

.....Having said that, is there a way to superimpose over the fresh install, settings and files from Thunderbird, Firefox, emails, docs etc or do these all have to be added individually/manually?

The installer allows you to do a fresh install of MX25 with the option of preserving your /home. That's where the settings and config files from Thunderbird, Firefox, and other apps are stored. Assuming also that you had a default set up of Thunderbird, I believe your emails will be in /home, though you should check with someone who uses that program. As for docs, assuming they were saved in /home, preserving home will preserve them.

HOWEVER, the warning we always give is that before your carry out the fresh install, you should back up all the important stuff in /home to a separate storage device. Firefox and thundebird settings and stored emails can copied over to the backup storage device.

Common sense precaution.