live usb doesn't go beyond "start init" (waiting for /dev to be fully populated) [Solved]

[bambuko]

@Huckleberry Finn
I would love to know and understand what has happened and why this particular booting parameter has worked?
I tried searching but so far haven't found anything....

only this so far:
https://www.forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic ... 4&p=710944

[fehlix]

I would love to know and understand what has happened and why this particular booting parameter has worked?

Please post QSI "Quick System Info", which may help to see what system you have.

[Eadwine Rose]

He already gave it in this post in the thread:

https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php ... 74#p711874

[fehlix]

He already gave it in this post in the thread:

https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php ... 74#p711874

Thanks to long thread I guess.

+++EDIT+++
Perhabs, post QSI from LiveUSB with the parameter which worked to get booted,
so we see what was loaded.
Thanks

[Huckleberry Finn]

@bambuko Shortly:

With MX 19 it's a new feature: Detect double-cards:

vcard=on => Detect hybrid graphics then disable the non-Intel video drivers (This one is the default)
vcard=off => Disable video card detection
vcard=menu => Show video card options (Then you select Intel or Nvidia (or whatever) and mostly Intel works)

However, as in that thread and in many previous threads (also in other languages forums) the one that almost always works is vcard=off (that's why I said "I wish we knew the specs earlier" cause I would directly tell to try that one (when I see it's not a single-card machine) rather than wasting time with nomodeset etc..) .. therefore my humble suggestion (on this opportunity) to MX Team is make "off" the default.

[bambuko]

...post QSI from LiveUSB with the parameter which worked to get booted,
so we see what was loaded...

sorry for the delay (I am still finding my way round MX )
here it is:

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System:    Kernel: 6.0.0-6mx-amd64 [6.0.12-1~mx21+1] x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
           parameters: quiet splasht nosplash vcard=off 
           Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.20.5 wm: kwin_x11 vt: 7 dm: SDDM 
           Distro: MX-21.3_KDE_x64 Wildflower January 15  2023 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z97M-D3H v: x.x serial: <filter> 
           BIOS: American Megatrends v: F8 date: 09/18/2015 
CPU:       Info: Quad Core model: Intel Core i5-4690K bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Haswell family: 6 
           model-id: 3C (60) stepping: 3 microcode: 1C cache: L2: 6 MiB 
           flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 27999 
           Speed: 1000 MHz min/max: 800/3900 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1000 2: 1000 3: 1000 4: 900 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled 
           Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT disabled 
           Type: mds status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT disabled 
           Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI 
           Type: mmio_stale_data status: Unknown: No mitigations 
           Type: retbleed status: Not affected 
           Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable 
           Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
           Type: spectre_v2 
           mitigation: Retpolines, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected 
           Type: srbds status: Vulnerable: No microcode 
           Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics 
           vendor: Gigabyte driver: i915 v: kernel bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0412 
           class-ID: 0300 
           Device-2: NVIDIA TU116 [GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER] driver: nouveau v: kernel 
           bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:2187 class-ID: 0300 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.14 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: loaded: modesetting 
           unloaded: fbdev,vesa display-ID: :0 screens: 1 
           Screen-1: 0 s-res: 2560x1440 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 677x381mm (26.7x15.0") 
           s-diag: 777mm (30.6") 
           Monitor-1: DVI-D-1 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109 size: 597x336mm (23.5x13.2") 
           diag: 685mm (27") 
           OpenGL: renderer: NV168 v: 4.3 Mesa 22.0.5 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel 
           v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0 chip-ID: 8086:0c0c class-ID: 0403 
           Device-2: Intel 9 Series Family HD Audio vendor: Gigabyte driver: snd_hda_intel 
           v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:8ca0 class-ID: 0403 
           Device-3: NVIDIA TU116 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
           bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:1aeb class-ID: 0403 
           Device-4: JMTek LLC. USB PnP Audio Device type: USB 
           driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid bus-ID: 1-9:7 chip-ID: 0c76:161f 
           class-ID: 0300 
           Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k6.0.0-6mx-amd64 running: yes 
           Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 14.2 running: yes 
Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Gigabyte 
           driver: r8169 v: kernel port: d000 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200 
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 3.76 GiB used: 2.34 GiB (62.3%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 type: USB vendor: Kingston model: DataTraveler 2.0 
           size: 3.76 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: N/A serial: <filter> 
           rev: 1.00 scheme: MBR 
           SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure? 
Swap:      Alert: No swap data was found. 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8 C mobo: 27.8 C gpu: nouveau temp: 29.0 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     Packages: note: see --pkg apt: 2296 lib: 1284 flatpak: 0 
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ bullseye main non-free
           2: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ bullseye ahs
Info:      Processes: 224 Uptime: 1m wakeups: 1 Memory: 15.47 GiB used: 1.09 GiB (7.0%) 
           Init: SysVinit v: 2.96 runlevel: 5 default: 5 tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: N/A 
           alt: 10 Client: shell wrapper v: 5.1.4-release inxi: 3.3.06 
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)

[Huckleberry Finn]

As a conclusion:

You disabled the "Detect hybrid graphics then disable the non-Intel video drivers"

and both drivers (i915 and Nouveau (+ modesetting)) were loaded as it should be (rather than Intel only etc.) :

Graphics:

Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics
vendor: Gigabyte driver: i915 v: kernel bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0412
class-ID: 0300

Device-2: NVIDIA TU116 [GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER] driver: nouveau v: kernel
bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:2187 class-ID: 0300

Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.14 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: loaded: modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa display-ID: :0 screens: 1
...

OpenGL: renderer: NV168 v: 4.3 Mesa 22.0.5 direct render: Yes

[bambuko]

...my humble suggestion (on this opportunity) to MX Team is make "off" the default.

Thank you for the explanation.
I have missed totally the significance and confusion caused by the unused integral GPU on motherboard (as opposed to specific GPU card into which my monitor is plugged in).
I (as a humble user) support your suggestion to change vcard default.
If it wasn't for my perseverance and your help I (and few other potential users trying to install it, I guess?) would have given up and moved on quite some time ago...

[Huckleberry Finn]

Thank you, too for the feedback and for trying again and again :)

[fehlix]

...post QSI from LiveUSB with the parameter which worked to get booted,
so we see what was loaded...

sorry for the delay (I am still finding my way round MX )
here it is:

OK, thanks.
If you enable

vcard=menu

and select nvidia would it boot into X?