Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh

[baldyeti]

I find it disingenuous to blame the XFCE developers for delivering exactly what they had promised: a GTK2-free DE mostly unaltered feature-wise (save for a couple welcome enhancements)

[Richard]

@asqwerth,
of course you're right, it is about Xfce-4.14.
Probably just my mindset.

Manjaro may be the first to release using 4.14,
so the logical one to trial.

I haven't tried mx19b1 due to lack of bandwidth and no real need to see it. I will take a look but MX18.3 is wonderfully stable, pleasing to my eye and completely adequate for the moment.

I'm sure when I have an opportunity to download the MX19 release I will do so. Upgrading is a hard habit to break. MX Snapshot is a wonderful tool.

[dreamer]

I find it disingenuous to blame the XFCE developers for delivering exactly what they had promised: a GTK2-free DE mostly unaltered feature-wise (save for a couple welcome enhancements)

Xfce devs did well. No doubt about it. My rant was against GTK devs. I don't care about headerbars, CSDs and Wayland support. I try to avoid all of them. I think CSS theming (if that's a good idea?) and even HiDPI could be implemented by a new theme engine for GTK2.

GTK devs are paid to do their work so they will drag along anyone using their toolkit. It's that or extermination from distros when GTK2 is dropped. Xfce devs saved us (at least those of us using Xfce). I'm thankful. Dedoimedo is less thankful because he is a KDE user and he seems familiar with Windows too (understatement).

[nixy]

Care to share some screenshots of that Plasma setup which uses 350MB on boot?

My system running MX 18 because of its stability, reliability and usability.
I sometimes test other distribution on VM and don't keep them.
I have tested kde neon and kubuntu 19.04 one/two months earlier, probably on kubuntu 19.04 minimal install I have got this memory footprint of 350-400 mb with 1% cpu usage. But kde neon is very similar too. (In MX because of older KDE plasma it is going to be higher) But you can have latest plasma 5.16 review here:
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pla ... eview.html

Note:- I have no problems with xfce in particular, but like mate desktop which once shifted to gtk3, it becomes little more heavy, I assume xfce 4.14.1 will be going to little more heavy on Ram usage after gtk3, and when I tested mx19 b1, from my pendrive I was proved, MX running at 450 mb Ram on fresh startup compare to 300-350 mb of mx18.3. it's nothing to do with MX, but I assume gtk3.

Minimal install will lower ram consumption, regular installation is still heavier. Xfce 4.14 uses more ram than the previous version but it has screen tearing finally fixed and more other improvements. My MX 19 uses around 400 MB on startup.