MX and Devuan?

[manyroads]

By way of asking a 'dumb' question...

Has anyone ever considered using Devuan Beowulf as the next base (or optional base) for MX Linux version 18 or whatever the next release is called?

[Jerry3904]

Nope, we prize stability

[manyroads]

Devuan is Debian minus systemd... to quote their site:

Devuan is a fork of the Debian GNU/Linux distribution that started in November 2014. Its stated first goal was to provide a distribution without the systemd init daemon installed by default.

They are listed here: https://devuan.org/os/team/

[Jerry3904]

I understand that, thanks. MX does not share that goal, that's all.

[Stevo]

Totally removing systemd also totally removes any option to use certain applications that really need it. We keep the option to boot with systemd in the MX GRUB menu after installation.

However, I believe you can also create a pretty good facsimile of MX on the antiX base, which would be free of systemd. You could also probably install the MX tools on Devuan, but some, like the snapshot tool, might not work there.

[spidermouse]

Antix is not sytemd-free, it has packages that are dependant on libsystemd0.
Open the terminal and run on new install

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 apt update && apt install systemd

I think that sytemd-free is when all the dependancies from libsystemd0 are removed from the packages. Anticapitalista probably thinks libsystemd is harmless if systemd isn't instaled. The fact is LP can turn libsystemd0 into executive library at any time and during the upgrade pull some other parts of systemd that can controler the network or some other system processes. It's easier to advertise as sytemd-free.

[handy]

Touch wood, My Devuan install trashed itself on me, prior to moving to Refracta, which did the same, before coming to MX17, which has been holding up to my abuse incredibly well. (After saying that I'm glad so say that I have a recent Clonezilla backup image. )

[spidermouse]

^Devuan also isn't sytemd-free. They invest most of their time in marketing. They should clean the libsystemd0 dependancies and not debate over some nonsense and complain how they have no enough people. Libsystemd0 has more dependancies than the basic systemd.

[manyroads]

Like most things in this world there seems to be a lot of strong opinion on systemd (good, bad, ugly...) Like @handy noted in his comment, I include myself in the uniquely skilled at breaking OSes class of user. I was simply curious re: Devuan because on the surface it seems there might be an opportunity for synergy.

[anticapitalista]

Antix is not sytemd-free, it has packages that are dependant on libsystemd0.
Open the terminal and run on new install

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 apt update && apt install systemd

I think that sytemd-free is when all the dependancies from libsystemd0 are removed from the packages. Anticapitalista probably thinks libsystemd is harmless if systemd isn't instaled. The fact is LP can turn libsystemd0 into executive library at any time and during the upgrade pull some other parts of systemd that can controler the network or some other system processes. It's easier to advertise as sytemd-free.

WRONG and FUD!
Why would anyone who doesn't want libsystemd0/systemd intentionally install it? moronic if you ask me.
antiX ootb does not need/use systemd/libsystemd0. (devuan, however, uses libsystemd0 - antiX does not).
Look here for our nosystemd packages - the vast majority make sure libsystemd0 does not get installed.

http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch/pool/nosystemd/