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recomendation to create virtual environment in Python with Python 3.12

#1 Post by michaelbr »

I have an app which requires Python 3.12, I assume the recommended way is to create a Python virtual environment (venv), my current installed Python is 3.11, and according to the documentation, the venv I'm creating will have the same version of command I'm using (which is 3.11). Is this the way to do it?
1) create venv using Python 3.11
2) using pip to install Python 3.12? If so, is it possible to remove Python 3.11? how?
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Re: recomendation to create virtual environment in Python with Python 3.12  [Solved]

#2 Post by CharlesV »

Personally ... I find it MUCH better to create a VM (I use virtualbox ) , and then setup my dev environment there. Not only does this SAVE me from "polluting" my main desktop, but it creates a base for me to work with that wont be polluted BY my main machine.
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Re: recomendation to create virtual environment in Python with Python 3.12

#3 Post by michaelbr »

CharlesV wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:17 pm Personally ... I find it MUCH better to create a VM (I use virtualbox ) , and then setup my dev environment there. Not only does this SAVE me from "polluting" my main desktop, but it creates a base for me to work with that wont be polluted BY my main machine.
Thanks so much for your suggestion, I'll do that.
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Re: recomendation to create virtual environment in Python with Python 3.12

#4 Post by atomick »

Agree same. MX now has Build-essential installed so installing Virtualbox and creating a snapshot of my host - install then to virtualbox guest is totally a developers joy now you have an exact copy running in VBox
compiling can open a great deal of imagination and learning curve
creating clones of same vbox guest can also improve your desktop working.
If by chance something does go wrong - delete the guest import the clone and back to square-2

so far zlib/openssl/ssh bash vim ease of as well I did install full python.3-12 and had it in its own dedicated with hope to learn python. can do my own in bash fair enough python is good but syntax delimited/oriented/tabulated
fantastic power once onto, lots of code line. Vbox opens value to testing other distro to see how things are done. if so desire.
simply improves choice. never stop learning.
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Re: recomendation to create virtual environment in Python with Python 3.12

#5 Post by michaelbr »

atomick wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:36 am Agree same. MX now has Build-essential installed so installing Virtualbox and creating a snapshot of my host - install then to virtualbox guest is totally a developers joy now you have an exact copy running in VBox
compiling can open a great deal of imagination and learning curve
creating clones of same vbox guest can also improve your desktop working.
If by chance something does go wrong - delete the guest import the clone and back to square-2

so far zlib/openssl/ssh bash vim ease of as well I did install full python.3-12 and had it in its own dedicated with hope to learn python. can do my own in bash fair enough python is good but syntax delimited/oriented/tabulated
fantastic power once onto, lots of code line. Vbox opens value to testing other distro to see how things are done. if so desire.
simply improves choice. never stop learning.
Thanks for these tips, I'm in the similar path.
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