why not updating to GNU-Bash-5.3 ?

[oops]

Hello, why not updating to the new GNU-Bash-5.3 ? (for MX25 too)

https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNU-Bash-5.3
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug- ... 00004.html

[Nokkaelaein]

That's a good idea; however, saying it like that sounds like you are wondering... why it isn't updated already. Can you name many distros that have, at the time of writing, updated their bash to 5.3? It came out just a few days ago :)

[oops]

... It is mostly a suggestion. (and I have already intalled it into MX19, an old eepc, bash v5.3.0 from V5.0.3 ... and SysVinit v: 3.14 too)

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[siamhie]

Bash is packaged by Debian.

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Package: bash
Version: 5.2.15-2+b8
Essential: yes
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Multi-Arch: foreign
Priority: required
Section: shells
Maintainer: Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

Trixie looks to be releasing Bash with version 5.2.37-2. https://packages.debian.org/trixie/bash

[oops]

I guess than trixie will have the v5.3 now.

[Adrian]

That kind of sucks, but that's what we have if we based our distro on Debian Stable... there are plusses and minuses. It would be a good question for Debian people but there's nothing they can do either: https://release.debian.org/trixie/freeze_policy.html

[oops]

... Yes, it mostly depends of Debian in fact.

[Adrian]

... Yes, it mostly depends of Debian in fact.

I would not go and ask our packagers to package and put it in the repo, we don't know in what subtle ways things would break. Although... I am not entirely sure bash is foundational, I don't even see it as a dependency to many packages, I'm just afraid many packages just assume bash exists and behaves in a specific way.

[oops]

... Yes, it mostly depends of Debian in fact.

I would not go and ask our packagers to package and put it in the repo, we don't know in what subtle ways things would break. Although... I am not entirely sure bash is foundational, I don't even see it as a dependency to many packages, I'm just afraid many packages just assume bash exists and behaves in a specific way.

Until now, I use the bash v5.3.0 into MX19 without issue. (with some adaptations, the root prompt, etc)

[Stevo]

Maybe a quick "elevator pitch" as to why we could need it instead of the tried-and-true Debian bashes could persuade a packager.