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Mesa 25.0.2 in MX-23.5_ahs_x64

#1 Post by mxismythang »

If this should instead be a support question before a package request, please let me know and I will delete and repost there.

I recently from the AMD RX 7600 to an AMD RX 9070 GPU, but now none of my Steam titles will run as Vulkan does not yet recognize the new GPU.

It is properly detected in >Mesa 25.0.1, with 25.0.2 (https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mesa-25.0.2-Released) being a better experience.

I tried and failed to build from source (https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ ... 26474.html); too many broken dependencies to use meson. I'm just not experienced enough to be able to pull it off without fear of bricking my system.

Kernel Version:

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$ uname -r
6.13.7-2-liquorix-amd64
Vulkaninfo (note the device is recognized only as "1002:7550":

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$ vulkaninfo --summary
WARNING: [Loader Message] Code 0 : loader_scan_for_direct_drivers: The VK_LUNARG_direct_driver_loading extension was enabled but the pNext chain of VkInstanceCreateInfo did not contain the VkDirectDriverLoadingListLUNARG structure.
WARNING: [Loader Message] Code 0 : Layer VK_LAYER_MESA_device_select uses API version 1.3 which is older than the application specified API version of 1.4. May cause issues.
MESA: error: Use of VkSurfacePresentModeCompatibilityEXT without a VkSurfacePresentModeEXT set. This is an application bug.
MESA: error: Use of VkSurfacePresentModeCompatibilityEXT without a VkSurfacePresentModeEXT set. This is an application bug.
==========
VULKANINFO
==========

Vulkan Instance Version: 1.4.304


Instance Extensions: count = 24
-------------------------------
VK_EXT_acquire_drm_display             : extension revision 1
VK_EXT_acquire_xlib_display            : extension revision 1
VK_EXT_debug_report                    : extension revision 10
VK_EXT_debug_utils                     : extension revision 2
VK_EXT_direct_mode_display             : extension revision 1
VK_EXT_display_surface_counter         : extension revision 1
VK_EXT_headless_surface                : extension revision 1
VK_EXT_surface_maintenance1            : extension revision 1
VK_EXT_swapchain_colorspace            : extension revision 4
VK_KHR_device_group_creation           : extension revision 1
VK_KHR_display                         : extension revision 23
VK_KHR_external_fence_capabilities     : extension revision 1
VK_KHR_external_memory_capabilities    : extension revision 1
VK_KHR_external_semaphore_capabilities : extension revision 1
VK_KHR_get_display_properties2         : extension revision 1
VK_KHR_get_physical_device_properties2 : extension revision 2
VK_KHR_get_surface_capabilities2       : extension revision 1
VK_KHR_portability_enumeration         : extension revision 1
VK_KHR_surface                         : extension revision 25
VK_KHR_surface_protected_capabilities  : extension revision 1
VK_KHR_wayland_surface                 : extension revision 6
VK_KHR_xcb_surface                     : extension revision 6
VK_KHR_xlib_surface                    : extension revision 6
VK_LUNARG_direct_driver_loading        : extension revision 1

Instance Layers: count = 8
--------------------------
VK_LAYER_INTEL_nullhw             INTEL NULL HW                1.1.73   version 1
VK_LAYER_MANGOHUD_overlay         Vulkan Hud Overlay           1.3.0    version 1
VK_LAYER_MESA_device_select       Linux device selection layer 1.3.211  version 1
VK_LAYER_MESA_overlay             Mesa Overlay layer           1.3.211  version 1
VK_LAYER_VALVE_steam_fossilize_32 Steam Pipeline Caching Layer 1.3.207  version 1
VK_LAYER_VALVE_steam_fossilize_64 Steam Pipeline Caching Layer 1.3.207  version 1
VK_LAYER_VALVE_steam_overlay_32   Steam Overlay Layer          1.3.207  version 1
VK_LAYER_VALVE_steam_overlay_64   Steam Overlay Layer          1.3.207  version 1

Devices:
========
GPU0:
	apiVersion         = 1.3.289
	driverVersion      = 24.2.8
	vendorID           = 0x1002
	deviceID           = 0x7550
	deviceType         = PHYSICAL_DEVICE_TYPE_DISCRETE_GPU
	deviceName         = AMD Radeon Graphics (RADV GFX1201)
	driverID           = DRIVER_ID_MESA_RADV
	driverName         = radv
	driverInfo         = Mesa 24.2.8-1mx23ahs
	conformanceVersion = 1.3.0.0
	deviceUUID         = 00000000-0300-0000-0000-000000000000
	driverUUID         = 414d442d-4d45-5341-2d44-525600000000
GPU1:
	apiVersion         = 1.3.289
	driverVersion      = 24.2.8
	vendorID           = 0x1002
	deviceID           = 0x13c0
	deviceType         = PHYSICAL_DEVICE_TYPE_INTEGRATED_GPU
	deviceName         = AMD Radeon Graphics (RADV RAPHAEL_MENDOCINO)
	driverID           = DRIVER_ID_MESA_RADV
	driverName         = radv
	driverInfo         = Mesa 24.2.8-1mx23ahs
	conformanceVersion = 1.3.0.0
	deviceUUID         = 00000000-4f00-0000-0000-000000000000
	driverUUID         = 414d442d-4d45-5341-2d44-525600000000
GPU2:
	apiVersion         = 1.3.289
	driverVersion      = 0.0.1
	vendorID           = 0x10005
	deviceID           = 0x0000
	deviceType         = PHYSICAL_DEVICE_TYPE_CPU
	deviceName         = llvmpipe (LLVM 15.0.6, 256 bits)
	driverID           = DRIVER_ID_MESA_LLVMPIPE
	driverName         = llvmpipe
	driverInfo         = Mesa 24.2.8-1mx23ahs (LLVM 15.0.6)
	conformanceVersion = 1.3.1.1
	deviceUUID         = 6d657361-3234-2e32-2e38-2d316d783200
	driverUUID         = 6c6c766d-7069-7065-5555-494400000000
QSI:

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System:
  Kernel: 6.13.7-2-liquorix-amd64 [6.13-5~mx23ahs] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: audit=0
    intel_pstate=disable amd_pstate=disable BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-6.13.7-2-liquorix-amd64
    root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff init=/lib/systemd/systemd
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.20.0 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.38 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm v: 4.20.0 vt: 7
    dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0 Distro: MX-23.5_ahs_x64 Libretto May 19  2024 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12
    (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: ASRock model: B650E Taichi serial: <superuser required> UEFI: American
    Megatrends LLC. v: 3.20 date: 02/21/2025
CPU:
  Info: model: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: N/A level: v4 note: check
    family: 0x1A (26) model-id: 0x44 (68) stepping: 0 microcode: 0xB404023
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 6 tpc: 2 threads: 12 smt: enabled cache: L1: 480 KiB
    desc: d-6x48 KiB; i-6x32 KiB L2: 6 MiB desc: 6x1024 KiB L3: 32 MiB desc: 1x32 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 3175 high: 5437 min/max: 3000/3900 boost: enabled scaling:
    driver: acpi-cpufreq governor: ondemand cores: 1: 2900 2: 2972 3: 2959 4: 3018 5: 5437 6: 2819
    7: 3000 8: 3000 9: 3000 10: 3000 11: 3000 12: 3000 bogomips: 93602
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
  Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed status: Not affected
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Enhanced / Automatic IBRS; IBPB: conditional; STIBP: always-on;
    RSB filling; PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected; BHI: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD vendor: Gigabyte driver: amdgpu v: kernel pcie: gen: 5 speed: 32 GT/s lanes: 16
    ports: active: DP-1 empty: DP-2, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2, Writeback-1 bus-ID: 03:00.0
    chip-ID: 1002:7550 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: AMD vendor: ASRock driver: amdgpu v: kernel pcie: gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s lanes: 16
    ports: active: none empty: DP-3, DP-4, DP-5, HDMI-A-3, Writeback-2 bus-ID: 4f:00.0
    chip-ID: 1002:13c0 class-ID: 0300 temp: 42.0 C
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: xfwm v: 4.20.0 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
    dri: swrast gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 509x286mm (20.04x11.26") s-diag: 584mm (22.99")
  Monitor-1: DP-1 mapped: DisplayPort-0 model: Acer XF250Q serial: <filter> built: 2018
    res: 1920x1080 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 544x303mm (21.42x11.93") diag: 623mm (24.5") ratio: 16:9
    modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 720x400
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 Mesa 24.2.8-1mx23ahs renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 15.0.6 256 bits)
    direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: AMD driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: bus-ID: 5-1.4:4 gen: 5 chip-ID: 0951:16c4
    speed: 32 GT/s class-ID: 0300 lanes: 16 bus-ID: 03:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:ab40 class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: AMD Rembrandt Radeon High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie:
    gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 4f:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:1640 class-ID: 0403
  Device-3: Kingston HyperX Cloud Flight Wireless Headset type: USB
    driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid
  API: ALSA v: k6.13.7-2-liquorix-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.0 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
    tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek Killer E3000 2.5GbE vendor: ASRock driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: gen: 2
    speed: 5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: a000 bus-ID: 49:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:3000 class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-1: br-f482fa0006b3 state: up speed: 10000 Mbps duplex: unknown mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-2: docker0 state: down mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-3: veth0cb7f32 state: up speed: 10000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-4: veth6e770ab state: up speed: 10000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-5: veth816b93b state: up speed: 10000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-6: vethfc38387 state: up speed: 10000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-7: virbr0 state: down mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-8: virbr1 state: down mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 3-4.4:7
    chip-ID: 2550:8761 class-ID: e001 serial: <filter>
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: down bt-service: enabled,running rfk-block:
    hardware: no software: yes address: <filter>
  Info: acl-mtu: 1021:6 sco-mtu: 255:12 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff park
    link-mode: peripheral accept
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 1.6 TiB used: 625.19 GiB (38.2%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:1 vendor: Samsung model: SSD 970 EVO Plus 500GB
    size: 465.76 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 type: SSD
    serial: <filter> rev: 2B2QEXM7 temp: 33.9 C scheme: GPT
  ID-2: /dev/nvme1n1 maj-min: 259:10 vendor: Samsung model: MZVLW256HEHP-000H1 size: 238.47 GiB
    block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 type: SSD serial: <filter>
    rev: CXB73H1Q temp: 28.9 C scheme: GPT
  ID-3: /dev/nvme2n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Samsung model: SSD 970 EVO Plus 1TB size: 931.51 GiB
    block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 type: SSD serial: <filter>
    rev: 2B2QEXM7 temp: 34.9 C scheme: GPT
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 36.77 GiB size: 35.9 GiB (97.62%) used: 21.48 GiB (59.8%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/dm-0 maj-min: 253:0 mapped: luks-<filter>
  ID-2: /boot raw-size: 1.05 GiB size: 1022.5 MiB (95.20%) used: 423.5 MiB (41.4%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/nvme2n1p5 maj-min: 259:3
  ID-3: /boot/efi raw-size: 100 MiB size: 98.4 MiB (98.45%) used: 411 KiB (0.4%) fs: vfat
    dev: /dev/nvme2n1p1 maj-min: 259:2
  ID-4: /home raw-size: 893.56 GiB size: 878.46 GiB (98.31%) used: 603.3 GiB (68.7%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/dm-1 maj-min: 253:1 mapped: luks-<filter>
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 4 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 file: /swapfile
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 46.9 C mobo: 34.0 C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
  GPU: device: amdgpu temp: 42.0 C device: amdgpu temp: 40.0 C mem: 63.0 C watts: 22.00
Repos:
  Packages: 2927 pm: dpkg pkgs: 2893 libs: 1531 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala,synaptic pm: rpm
    pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak pkgs: 34
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/docker.gpg] https://download.docker.com/linux/debian bookworm stable
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/mx23-archive-keyring.gpg] http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
    2: deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/mx23-archive-keyring.gpg] http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/mx/repo/ bookworm ahs
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nordvpn.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/nordvpn-keyring.gpg] https://repo.nordvpn.com/deb/nordvpn/debian stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/polychromatic.list
    1: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/polychromatic.gpg] http://ppa.launchpad.net/polychromatic/stable/ubuntu noble main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/signal-xenial-added-by-mxpi.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/signal-desktop.gpg] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extrepo_librewolf.sources
    1: deb [arch=amd64 arm64] https://repo.librewolf.net librewolf main
Info:
  Processes: 414 Uptime: 17m wakeups: 0 Memory: 30.44 GiB used: 3.7 GiB (12.2%) Init: systemd
  v: 252 target: graphical (5) default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12
  Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: UEFI
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Re: Mesa 25.0.2 in MX-23.5_ahs_x64

#2 Post by Stevo »

Being as it's only in Sid, and has not even made it to Trixie, I think it's going to need more time.

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mesa (25.0.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium

  * New upstream release.
  * patches: Fix spam from gfxstream. (Closes: #1100360)
  * rules: Update gentarball target to use xz and the current tree.

 -- Timo Aaltonen <tjaalton@debian.org>  Thu, 20 Mar 2025 16:52:21 +0200

mesa (25.0.1-2) unstable; urgency=medium

  * rules: Build gfxstream only on 64bit. (Closes: #1099704)

 -- Timo Aaltonen <tjaalton@debian.org>  Fri, 07 Mar 2025 08:52:20 +0200
Good thing you were not able to compile and install it manually; that would have broken your system. Our AHS just (carefully) updated Mesa to 24.4.8 about a week ago.
MXPI = MX Package Installer
QSI = Quick System Info from menu
The MX Test repository is mostly backports; not the same as Debian testing
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Re: Mesa 25.0.2 in MX-23.5_ahs_x64

#3 Post by mxismythang »

Stevo wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:16 pm Being as it's only in Sid, and has not even made it to Trixie, I think it's going to need more time.

Good thing you were not able to compile and install it manually; that would have broken your system. Our AHS just (carefully) updated Mesa to 24.4.8 about a week ago.
I've been researching different methods to get there, and I have stopped short when they all mentioned dependencies, or upgrading 2,700+ packages.

Are you saying that even though I own a GPU not supported by Mesa-24.x but that is supported by mesa-25.x, I just have to live with not being able to play any games until MX brings it into the testing or deb-backports repos?

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$ rmadison mesa-vulkan-drivers --architecture amd64
mesa-vulkan-drivers | 18.3.6-2+deb10u1 | oldoldstable     | amd64
mesa-vulkan-drivers | 20.3.5-1~bpo10+1 | buster-backports | amd64
mesa-vulkan-drivers | 20.3.5-1         | oldstable        | amd64
mesa-vulkan-drivers | 22.3.6-1+deb12u1 | stable           | amd64
mesa-vulkan-drivers | 24.2.8-1~bpo12+1 | stable-backports | amd64
mesa-vulkan-drivers | 25.0.1-2         | testing          | amd64
mesa-vulkan-drivers | 25.0.2-1         | buildd-unstable  | amd64
mesa-vulkan-drivers | 25.0.2-1         | unstable         | amd64
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Re: Mesa 25.0.2 in MX-23.5_ahs_x64

#4 Post by DukeComposed »

mxismythang wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:16 pm Are you saying that even though I own a GPU not supported by Mesa-24.x but that is supported by mesa-25.x, I just have to live with not being able to play any games until MX brings it into the testing or deb-backports repos?
Either that or find a different distribution for your gaming needs. There are several non-Debian Linux distributions, and even a few that emphasize their gaming support.

That Phoronix article you linked was published yesterday. I'm not sure where you prefer to get your software, but MX is Debian-based, and The Debian Project is renowned -- for better and for worse -- for having long test periods on new packages. This provides exceptional stability for Debian stable releases but it means not getting the latest things as soon as they're available.

The release cycle for Debian is about once every two years so expect major software changes, like updating Xfce 4.18 to Xfce 4.20 or Mesa 24 to Mesa 25, to occur along this timeline. The next release, Trixie, is expected this year. June, maybe? No one can say for certain. And a new MX release will come in the months after that. I'm not a dev, I can't say if Mesa 25 will make it into Trixie this year or if, considering it was released just yesterday, it's too late in the development process for it to meet the feature freeze.
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Re: Mesa 25.0.2 in MX-23.5_ahs_x64  [Solved]

#5 Post by mxismythang »

I learned the answer to this problem, and the answer is to leave it alone.

Don't break your Debian trying to do this; just setup a temp install of another distro. In my case, that's Nobara, as it has easy access to bleeding-edge packages, but it could be anything, including another expendable Debian install where you can use Sid.

Thanks to @Stevo and @DukeComposed for their info.

Mods: This now feels a help topic rather than a package request. Can you please move this to the proper help forum where people may find it?
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Re: Mesa 25.0.2 in MX-23.5_ahs_x64

#6 Post by dolphin_oracle »

fwiw trixie is on 25.0.1 at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/runwiththedolphin
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FYI: mx "test" repo is not the same thing as debian testing repo.
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Re: Mesa 25.0.2 in MX-23.5_ahs_x64

#7 Post by DukeComposed »

dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 6:54 pm fwiw trixie is on 25.0.1 at the moment.
Good to know. In this case Trixie will be on Mesa 25 by default when it ships, and it's likely v25.0.2 will be there eventually, either on release day or thereafter as a routine update.
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Re: Mesa 25.0.2 in MX-23.5_ahs_x64

#8 Post by Eadwine Rose »

@mxismythang Topic moved to help forum
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