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I was wondering whether to make a topic, but I was at my little limit at mind.

Tactful grumble many reviews(they using old logo on purpose), Unnatural ranking, DDos attacks, and can't say in here problems...
It seems MX have many enemies, It seems It's no longer just a delusion, that is very sadly.
I think MX is Great Linux OS, we well knowing/understood that.

But "Bad money drives out good money" in proverb.

We need for unity our mind.

I hope this topic doesn't get too heated, I'm feeling sad(depression) everyday at saw any tactful bullying to MX,
I want to confirm I have allies at this topic. And that goes for team leader DO too I think. We are Lonely soldiers.
"I want to protect place of rest called MX LINUX" I want to protect this small kingdom...

Beautifully said Freja. Being positive requires more just thoughts. The alternative is well you know.

Thanks davidy.

Different bodies, and different minds, everything fails.
Different bodies, and the same mind, everything can be achieved. - from The Lotus Sutra

@Freja

I think all of the challenges you've mentioned have shown we already have great unity here in our 'kingdom', the Moderators, Developers and Users all working together to defend and protect MX while also listening to valid feedback about where improvements are actually needed and making MX even better. Beyond that we have no control anyway. There will always be critics and there will always be people who do not handle change patiently (believe me, I know) and the world is full of damage, jealousy and haters and we can't change that, we can only change our own reactions.

I think it's wonderful how much you care about MX and the community, I agree it is indeed a great kingdom and these recent events haven't threatened it, they have strengthened it!

Many times critics are users of other distros that are frustrated they cannot get MX features in their distro or the features of their distros is MX ("why is MX not a rolling release")

AVLinux wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 10:16 am I think it's wonderful how much you care about MX and the community, I agree it is indeed a great kingdom and these recent events haven't threatened it, they have strengthened it!

Agreed. I don't see any problems with MX Linux, now or in the future. The 23.5 release has come and gone and work will begin soon on alignment with Trixie if it hasn't already. The sun will rise again and birds will come back in the spring as they have countless times before. I see nothing wrong from where I stand, and I suspect that anything that is broken now is not so badly damaged it cannot be fixed.

People criticizing a Linux distribution is hardly something worthy of despair and, frankly, my opinion hasn't changed: if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Last month I stumbled upon a new term I'd never heard before: "help vampire". I found this rabbit hole fascinating in the same way you might read a book that feels as if it was written just for you. This is a topic in itself I'll save for another time, but one relevant quote (of many) that struck me in my soul like a tuning fork is this, emphasis added:

[T]here are now several varieties [of help vampire] that you should be wary of:

The Fanger The out-and-out help vampire, unabashed and unashamed of their needs. Their sense of entitlement will be telegraphed by needy and demanding thread titles, often featuring exhortations like "HELP" and "URGENT".... The Fanger will also occasionally table (sadly, almost inevitably empty) threats about leaving your community and going off to use some other software; as if the dependency relationship is somehow reversed and it is you, the community, that will suffer if they leave.

And while I post this not to reference any specific person, place, or incident that's occurred, the sentiment I took from reading about help vampires remains: the community is fine. It's gonna be fine tomorrow. New people will discover MX Linux, and that's great. Some people will find something else they prefer, and that's great, too. Distro hoppers will hop. Some long-time MX users will switch to something else that suits their needs better and I want that for them if it makes them happy.

My MX machines will still run, regardless of whether DistroWatch calls us #2, or #1, or #nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine. It simply doesn't matter to me, and it shouldn't matter to any of us. MX owes me nothing, just as it owes nothing to any drive-by detractors who want to leave a laughably poorly written anonymous review on a website I rarely think of and never visit.

If I don't like it, I don't have to use it.

Edit: Link added

I think everyone that has contributed here has been pretty spot on and I agree that the 'core users' here are banded well and working together to bring things positively forward.

I would like to add two things to the above ;
1) The measure of success is almost always driven by : # of users, # of haters, and # of copiers. The shear fact that there ARE a number of reviews of MX proves that people are looking and bring validity to MX.

2) You just cannot please everyone. And as you gain users and installs... the ratio goes up. There *will* always be people that just dont like MX for what ever reason, or try and then leave... and that is ok.

Or.. in other words.. as soon as you stick your head out above the field, expect that some folks will try to mow it off.

Yes, the answer is very simple ... if you don't like it, don't use it. That's it.

I am very grateful to the entire team and the entire MX-Linux community. I have been using Linux since 1999, Slackware 7. I have been through countless forums and, except for the now defunct Ubuntu-es, none of them have been as useful and friendly as MX-Linux. Thank you again. A quote comes to mind: Ladran Sancho, señal que cabalgamos.

When I started with MX, I loved it was simple to use and had the tools which negated most of my notes for CLI.
The system is so solid, I found I didn't even need the MX Tools near as much as I needed the CLI in other distros.
I read the negative posts I can find because I never know where knowledge will come from.
As I read more about the negative thoughts, my point of view has become a bit skewed toward the idea of 'success hatred'.
While I dislike Windoze, I do not wish them failure. But there are many who attack it even with malware and not just posts.
I feel this is the same with MX. While some negative posts have merit, the majority of negative posts (my opinion) are the "I hate success that I'm not part of" mentality.
It isn't just here in distro competition though. It seems it is the norm of our present culture.
But there are also some who feel that their choice distro has no flaws or you can't talk about my OS flaws.
Personally, I'm waiting for the next 'sliced bread' development. And I'm concerned about those that do the programming for AI.
Again, just my point of view & doesn't mean I'm correct or even that my thoughts are valid.

... Criticism can also be constructive... but unfounded anathemas are not.

oops wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:37 pm ... Criticism can also be constructive... but unfounded anathemas are not.

Meh, if you have thick enough skin it doesn't really matter. We are humans, we are influenced by praises and criticisms, but also at some point if something goes over a limit it just makes it easier to ignore.

Eadwine Rose wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:32 am Or.. in other words.. as soon as you stick your head out above the field, expect that some folks will try to mow it off.

Is that another one of those wonderful Dutch proverbs?

Nope.. but this one is: "Doe maar normaal dan doe je al gek genoeg".

translated means "Just act normal, that's plenty crazy."

Still kinda related to it

Eadwine Rose wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:51 pm Nope.. but this one is: "Doe maar normaal dan doe je al gek genoeg".

translated means "Just act normal, that's plenty crazy."

Still kinda related to it

Haha! I resemble that remark as well! Thanks for sharing!

Adrian wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:47 pm

oops wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:37 pm ... Criticism can also be constructive... but unfounded anathemas are not.

Meh, if you have thick enough skin it doesn't really matter. We are humans, we are influenced by praises and criticisms, but also at some point if something goes over a limit it just makes it easier to ignore.

Right. ;-)

I love MX Linux plasma version and I find that it is the most complete distro out of the box in terms of utilities (MX Tools + KDE app)
That said, my criticisms:
- The installer is not suitable for beginners (partition) despite the clever switching with gparted
- the (almost) need to use a USB key to change version (21.x to 23.x) limits installations outside of family or friends. I am not going to go to reinstall in each association, I put LMDE directly.

For personal and family use, I prefer MX, for others I prefer LMDE.
I'm not the only one to "criticize" the need to use a USB stick to change the /. On a strictly personal level I understand the idea of ​​a clean reinstall, but I also understand influencers on YouTube or others noting this as a "defect".

For my part I have no doubt about continuing on MX, I don't use the tools every day but just the creation of ISO from snapshot, just for that I will stay (plus the reactive teams, the possible switch between sysVinit and systemd, lots of reasons!)

@orion99 wrote:

I'm not the only one to "criticize" the need to use a USB stick to change the /. On a strictly personal level I understand the idea of ​​a clean reinstall, but I also understand influencers on YouTube or others noting this as a "defect".

I submit that the influencers (or fan boys to give them their proper name) are looking for a panacea that doesn't exist

I'm not the only one to "criticize" the need to use a USB stick to change the /. On a strictly personal level I understand the idea of ​​a clean reinstall, but I also understand influencers on YouTube or others noting this as a "defect".

I kindly invite all of them to take a stroll through askubuntu and see the enormous amount of problems that determine the updates from version to version.

j2mcgreg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:26 pm I submit that the influencers (or fan boys to give them their proper name) are looking for a panacea that doesn't exist

I recently upgraded a Proxmox VE server to the latest, version 8, by running through the official upgrade instructions. In the last half of last year I'd done the same thing. That server started out years ago on version 6, and all i really needed to do was edit some repos in /etc/apt, do a dist-upgrade, and reboot. The 6-to-7 process was identical to the 7-to-8 process and both were notably painless.

I can't say that this feature isn't nice to have, but I also appreciate that a Debian virtualization appliance is a very different ball of wax compared to a desktop Linux distro. Meanwhile I have an MX-21 machine I've never gotten around to updating because I know what that will involve and I've never saved up the spoons for it.

If I thought my opinions were important, I can imagine exploiting this comparison for clicks and making a video or six about it. Easy upgrades do exist, and they exist in Debian, but they are not without their risks.

Thanks Members, I'm clumsy. I can't express it well, but it made me think,
"I'm not alone and I have comrades." That's very good enough for me.

I think future will be some hardships,
If we stick to our innocent original intention, our happiness will there.
Let's keep continue to MX with fun!

With that I am closing this topic :)