Possible to move LXQT 1.3.0 from MX Test to Main?

[AVLinux]

Hi,

I realize there are very few active LXQT Users on the forum but in recent discussions and after evaluating LXQT with resident LXQT Respinner @dreamer it seems there are some nice features in LXQT version 1.3.0 which is in MX Test and that there are no known issues with it as an upgrade to version 1.2.0 which is currently in Debian Bookworm/MX Main. For some build tests it would be nice if the newer version was in the Main Repo and it seems a pretty safe upgrade.

Just thought I'd mention/ask, if not no worries. Simply a convenience request.

[dreamer]

Thanks @AVLinux for your interest in LXQt. I wish I could join you in Enlightenment, but I already have more DEs than I can handle...

Meanwhile trying Siduction with LXQt 2.1 in VBox. It is still slightly less developed than Xfce. Sometimes Qt settings changes require a logout. This can often be the case with panel related settings, especially theming related stuff. However, despite these drawbacks I think the Qt toolkit is a nice improvement over gtk.

[AVLinux]

Thanks @AVLinux for your interest in LXQt. I wish I could join you in Enlightenment, but I already have more DEs than I can handle...

Wow, that does look pretty nice!

Probably something I could Google... but was the LXQT 1.3.0 we have in MX Test the final release on QT5?

[dreamer]

There was a LXQt 1.4 release that was fully Qt5. Then came version 2.0 that had dual support, but mostly Qt6. I think LXQt 2.1 can only be built with Qt6.

It would be nice if desktops were like Libreoffice and VCL (Visual Class Libraries) and could adopt to different front-end toolkits. I installed Siduction so one day I might try Enlightenment. The most recent version hasn't reached Sid yet, but maybe you would be interested in this article:
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/01/enl ... 7-released

[AVLinux]

There was a LXQt 1.4 release that was fully Qt5. Then came version 2.0 that had dual support, but mostly Qt6. I think LXQt 2.1 can only be built with Qt6.

It would be nice if desktops were like Libreoffice and VCL (Visual Class Libraries) and could adopt to different front-end toolkits. I installed Siduction so one day I might try Enlightenment. The most recent version hasn't reached Sid yet, but maybe you would be interested in this article:
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/01/enl ... 7-released

Thanks for the info and link!

Looks like Siduction is a great place to be for LXQT especially for someone who knows their way around it already.

Re that article:

One thing I love about E is quiet changelogs like that and sure it changes over time but so much less constant GTK2/3/4 QT 4/5/6 sort of upheaval. It's developer can be difficult and uncompromising sometimes but under the hood it has a lot of brilliant design and ethos...

If you want to try E in an improved live context I'm putting the final spit and polish on an AVL ISO as we speak, it will take me longer to write the changelog than to upload it (and I have slow internet)..

[Aceediq]

It would be nice if desktops were like Libreoffice and VCL (Visual Class Libraries) and could adopt to different front-end toolkits.

@dreamer can you explain more on this VCL stuff or point to to a link, it makes so much sense that I wonder why Linux apps don't have such feature.

Does Blender use VCL too? because I think the UI and theming is consistent across toolkits...

It's developer can be difficult and uncompromising sometimes but under the hood it has a lot of brilliant design and ethos...

If you want to try E in an improved live context I'm putting the final spit and polish on an AVL ISO as we speak, it will take me longer to write the changelog than to upload it (and I have slow internet)..

yes, that is also what I love about E, there is a level of certainty of how things work across versions...

I wanted to say we needed better UI looks in AVL till I checked how moksha loooked

a major ish with Linux UI is the decision to go very slim scrollbars that autohides...that's messed up...is there a way to adjust that across apps?

And for the release, drop it and as you are preparing an updated changelog, we would test out the release...

[dreamer]

Looks like Siduction is a great place to be for LXQT especially for someone who knows their way around it already.

Yeah, but Sid is a nightmare with updates - 600 updates in less than a month. Also, I think Lubuntu devs might be the only ones that are interested in setting it up correctly.

One thing I love about E is quiet changelogs like that and sure it changes over time but so much less constant GTK2/3/4 QT 4/5/6 sort of upheaval. It's developer can be difficult and uncompromising sometimes but under the hood it has a lot of brilliant design and ethos...

If you want to try E in an improved live context I'm putting the final spit and polish on an AVL ISO as we speak, it will take me longer to write the changelog than to upload it (and I have slow internet)..

I did see that Moksha devs made it easy (supposedly) to install latest Moksha on Debian Bookworm. Do you know if there are major differences between Enlightenment and Moksha? Enlightenment frightens me a little, maybe it's the flat theme on the home page. Or maybe in the back of my mind I have this feeling that Moksha was created for a reason. But I will try your iso, since I feel that's the right thing to do.

[dreamer]

@dreamer can you explain more on this VCL stuff or point to to a link, it makes so much sense that I wonder why Linux apps don't have such feature.

Does Blender use VCL too? because I think the UI and theming is consistent across toolkits...

Blender probably uses something different. VCL might be too slow for generic applications, but I doubt it with modern hardware.
https://archive.fosdem.org/2016/schedule/event/vcl/

[AVLinux]

Looks like Siduction is a great place to be for LXQT especially for someone who knows their way around it already.

Yeah, but Sid is a nightmare with updates - 600 updates in less than a month. Also, I think Lubuntu devs might be the only ones that are interested in setting it up correctly.

One thing I love about E is quiet changelogs like that and sure it changes over time but so much less constant GTK2/3/4 QT 4/5/6 sort of upheaval. It's developer can be difficult and uncompromising sometimes but under the hood it has a lot of brilliant design and ethos...

If you want to try E in an improved live context I'm putting the final spit and polish on an AVL ISO as we speak, it will take me longer to write the changelog than to upload it (and I have slow internet)..

I did see that Moksha devs made it easy (supposedly) to install latest Moksha on Debian Bookworm. Do you know if there are major differences between Enlightenment and Moksha? Enlightenment frightens me a little, maybe it's the flat theme on the home page. Or maybe in the back of my mind I have this feeling that Moksha was created for a reason. But I will try your iso, since I feel that's the right thing to do.

Last year I did experiment with an MX/Bodhi hybrid, at the time there were a few collisions with MX and Bodhi Debian Repos and Bodhi was really geared to systemd and at that time the 'build-iso-mx' ISO script worked better with sysvinit and I was having some issues getting Bodhi to work with PipeWire. There was a LOT of potential there for a SuperDistro! Bodhi is based on an older 'E-17' version of Enlightenment and they removed some buggy features and added some of their own stuff to their 'Moksha' fork. Moksha is very interesting but stylistically it still has the skeumorphic looks of the classic Enlightenment 'Dark' theme. As far as stability Moksha fixed a lot of things in E-17 but Enlightenment's own evolution into it's current E-24 and beyond form also fixed a lot of things.

Laboratory Screenshot...
https://bandshed.net/images/screenshots ... _07_21.png

Anyway if the theme on the E site revolts you, probably not going to be your thing so you might not want to waste your time. I've made some theming mods and put together three harmonized E/GTK/QT looks (one of them being a light theme) but the general look is similar to the 'flat' default theme shown on the website though..

We should probably start another topic..

[Stevo]

We now have a backport of Sid's EFL 1.27.0 and Enlightenment 0.26.0 in the MX 23 test repo. I think just installing enlightenment from there with MXPI will bring in all the updates.