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Just what is the current status for Wayland on MX Linux?

AVLinux wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:36 am @dreamer

Excellent info, exactly the kind of info I was looking for! I appreciate your time.

I have Gnome Boxes up and running so I will set up a VM and do some torture testing. I personally think Enlightenment is the bomb but LXQT theoretically looks like it could be a great Plan B companion. I really try hard to like XFCE4 but I just can't get into it for some reason... *shrugs

I'll probably be back with more questions but I'll start a new thread for that..

macronus wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:23 pmIt appears that there's something special about using the option "--install-recommends".

APT::Install-Recommends "1";

Aceediq wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:09 am
asides it's learning curve, enlightenment is a better DE than xfce, fractional scaling was a deal breaker for me to the extent I was already using enlightenment version of AVL before you made it the main and only version...

any person doing graphics with AVL will welcome enlightenment with open arms while accommodating the learning curve...

I would say KDE is the best all round DE but I don't like it because Qt is proprietary, I know that there is a GPL/open source version with less updates

AVLinux wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:22 am @dreamer and others

I have a Gnome Boxes VM where I installed XFCE4 as proof of concept to see what actually happens if you install XFCE4 from MXPI "Popular Apps" into an AVL Enlightenment system and by and large it went well... except for QT5 display stuff as detailed here:
viewtopic.php?t=83291

On the same VM I completely removed XFCE4 with this one liner:
https://mxlinux.org/wiki/xfce/how-to-co ... move-xfce/
*Thunar was reinstalled

Then I installed PCManFM-QT which alone pulled in a lot of the LXQT base and then I picked the other LXQT components from the MX Test Repo (no issues with PipeWire etc.)... I tried Enlightenment as the WM but no go, then I tried Kwin-X11 which worked but gave me no mechanism to change themes or colors so I swapped Kwin for xfwm and that got me a basic LXQT setup and I LOVE the simplicity and modularity BUT I have the same QT color problems but much worse! If I actually hand modify a palette it to match the AVL skeuos GTK theme it still displays orange and brown, even using the LXQT palette tools color picker... it actually completely ignores what value is in the hexadecimal box!?

DevBoxes@AVL-Boxes:~
$ env
SHELL=/bin/bash
SESSION_MANAGER=local/AVL-Boxes:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1414,unix/AVL-Boxes:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1414
WINDOWID=62914563
QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
COLORTERM=truecolor
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg
XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
XDG_MENU_PREFIX=xfce-
QT_LOGGING_RULES=qt.qpa.xcb.warning=false
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-XXXXXXSztFfD/agent.1414
XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/DevBoxes/.config
DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce
SSH_AGENT_PID=1489
GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
XDG_SEAT=seat0
PWD=/home/DevBoxes
LOGNAME=DevBoxes
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xfce
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
PANEL_GDK_CORE_DEVICE_EVENTS=0
XAUTHORITY=/home/DevBoxes/.Xauthority
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm/data/DevBoxes
HOME=/home/DevBoxes
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LS_COLORS=rs=0:di=01;34:ln=01;36:mh=00:pi=40;33:so=01;35:do=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=40;31;01:mi=00:su=37;41:sg=30;43:ca=00:tw=30;42:ow=34;42:st=37;44:ex=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arc=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lha=01;31:*.lz4=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.lzma=01;31:*.tlz=01;31:*.txz=01;31:*.tzo=01;31:*.t7z=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.dz=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.lrz=01;31:*.lz=01;31:*.lzo=01;31:*.xz=01;31:*.zst=01;31:*.tzst=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tbz=01;31:*.tbz2=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.deb=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.jar=01;31:*.war=01;31:*.ear=01;31:*.sar=01;31:*.rar=01;31:*.alz=01;31:*.ace=01;31:*.zoo=01;31:*.cpio=01;31:*.7z=01;31:*.rz=01;31:*.cab=01;31:*.wim=01;31:*.swm=01;31:*.dwm=01;31:*.esd=01;31:*.avif=01;35:*.jpg=01;35:*.jpeg=01;35:*.mjpg=01;35:*.mjpeg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.pbm=01;35:*.pgm=01;35:*.ppm=01;35:*.tga=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.tif=01;35:*.tiff=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.svg=01;35:*.svgz=01;35:*.mng=01;35:*.pcx=01;35:*.mov=01;35:*.mpg=01;35:*.mpeg=01;35:*.m2v=01;35:*.mkv=01;35:*.webm=01;35:*.webp=01;35:*.ogm=01;35:*.mp4=01;35:*.m4v=01;35:*.mp4v=01;35:*.vob=01;35:*.qt=01;35:*.nuv=01;35:*.wmv=01;35:*.asf=01;35:*.rm=01;35:*.rmvb=01;35:*.flc=01;35:*.avi=01;35:*.fli=01;35:*.flv=01;35:*.gl=01;35:*.dl=01;35:*.xcf=01;35:*.xwd=01;35:*.yuv=01;35:*.cgm=01;35:*.emf=01;35:*.ogv=01;35:*.ogx=01;35:*.aac=00;36:*.au=00;36:*.flac=00;36:*.m4a=00;36:*.mid=00;36:*.midi=00;36:*.mka=00;36:*.mp3=00;36:*.mpc=00;36:*.ogg=00;36:*.ra=00;36:*.wav=00;36:*.oga=00;36:*.opus=00;36:*.spx=00;36:*.xspf=00;36:*~=00;90:*#=00;90:*.bak=00;90:*.old=00;90:*.orig=00;90:*.part=00;90:*.rej=00;90:*.swp=00;90:*.tmp=00;90:*.dpkg-dist=00;90:*.dpkg-old=00;90:*.ucf-dist=00;90:*.ucf-new=00;90:*.ucf-old=00;90:*.rpmnew=00;90:*.rpmorig=00;90:*.rpmsave=00;90:
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
VTE_VERSION=7006
QT_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
XDG_CACHE_HOME=/home/DevBoxes/.cache
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
TERM=xterm-256color
USER=DevBoxes
DISPLAY=:0.0
SHLVL=1
XDG_VTNR=7
XDG_SESSION_ID=2
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
QT_PLATFORM_PLUGIN=gtk2
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/xfce4:/home/DevBoxes/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/sbin:/usr/sbin
GDMSESSION=xfce
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
QT_SCALE_FACTOR=1
_=/usr/bin/env
DevBoxes@AVL-Boxes:~
$

LXQT will overwrite your gtk3 config so if you are using it with E or another DE you better pick the same theme for both..

What about Kvantum? How does that work? I've never used it I've seen screenshots where it very much looks like older Enlightenment skeuomorphic themes.

How does it handle the GTK issue?

and also how do you handle switching the xfwm themes

If you have an ISO with some/all of this sorted out I think there's some potential!

AVLinux wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:46 am Thanks @dreamer

This sounds perfect! Downloading now and will put it in a VM later today! Kudos for your work, I know how much effort it takes to put these things together especially with the unsupported DE's and reading the release notes you've done a great job!

Being the so-called resident LXQT guru do you think that the 1.3.0 packages in Test could be moved to MX main? We could ask if you aren't aware of any barriers in upgrading from LXQT 1.2.0 - 1.3.0..

I think in the meantime I may swap out some auxiliary things in AVL to LXQT components (ie MousePad-Featherpad, XFCE4 Taskmanager-QPS, Mirage-LXImage etc.) right now this palettes problem has me dead-stopped as far as a full dual-DE ISO. I'm a sucker for compositing and E composites beautifully at minimal cost, I'm sure picom/compton are options for LXQT but in my AVL XFCE4 days I found compton was goofy with CSD windows and had other quirks..

*EDIT

Running in a VM now, what an excellent Respin! Great stuff!

Great Respin! I have success with QT5/GTK theming on yours, simply choosing my custom GTK themes and then the gtk2 style as you would expect instantly made everything look as expected and match up, no playing with palettes. Getting around LXQT is pretty intuitive and you've done an excellent job of putting in all the little 'extras'.

The bad news is I'm kind of shocked at the RAM consumption, in a Boxes VM LXQT uses about double the RAM of E and about the same as XFCE4.

do you think that the 1.3.0 packages in Test could be moved to MX main? We could ask if you aren't aware of any barriers in upgrading from LXQT 1.2.0 - 1.3.0..

I'm sure picom/compton are options for LXQT but in my AVL XFCE4 days I found compton was goofy with CSD windows and had other quirks..

dreamer wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:10 am
As an AV producer you might want to free up as much RAM as possible, but do 200 MiB or so matter?
If you say LXQt isn’t really your cup of tea then I perfectly understand, because we all like different things. I never understood your concern about RAM usage, neither in Xfce nor in LXQt.

It appears that I've been retracing steps that you've already made. Are there any other packages aside from the ones that I've previously mentioned that I should either install or uninstall?

dreamer wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:48 pm @macronus

It appears that I've been retracing steps that you've already made. Are there any other packages aside from the ones that I've previously mentioned that I should either install or uninstall?

It's hard to say, it depends on what you want to achieve. Normally you install a package when you need something so unless you lack some functionality there isn't a need to install anything.

@AVLinux
May I ask what font you are using? Nice and rounded.

AVLinux wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:44 pm
Hi, it's Cantarell the default Gnome font, I agree, good readability and it renders beautifully crisp (on my Display anyway)

dreamer wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:15 am
The font reminded me of the one in Windows, but even better. The whole reason I started playing with LXQt was a slight obsession with scaling. I think both Cinnamon and Xfce are better desktops (more developed and feature rich), but I was slightly disappointed with gtk scaling. There is KDE, but I never felt at home using KDE. I felt that LXQt could be a natural companion to MX apps since they are both Qt widget based without the extra components/toolkits that KDE brings.

I probably would use KDE if it wasn’t for frequent CPU spikes caused by Kwin and the Settings application. This is primarily on low-end hardware, but I’m used to “silent” desktops. With default Breeze theming it isn’t so bad, but it can quickly become worse with transparent Kwin style and a different Qt style.

What scale factor are you using? I have noticed that the font in your screenshots always looked good.

nudiecrudi wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 11:31 am do not undserstand the nitty gritty, but this discussion open some hopes for the future for glen work's fans . not so much fans of e.
i did state several times that i admire glen's creation and dedication, but e does not work for me. please, keep the candle alight