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lilith wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:08 am Hi,

I'm getting a new PC built and as there are issues with the 13 and 14 gen Intel CPUs I'm most likely going with AMD.

Does anyone know for sure if the AMD 8700G with AMD Radeon™ 780M is meanwhile supported by the Kernel used in MX Linux? And if not what's the next best CPU you can recommend?

Thanks!

j2mcgreg wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:40 am
Read this review by phoronix:
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryz ... e_vignette

I would give serious consideration for the Ryzen 7 7800 or Ryzen 9 7900 as alternatives.

j2mcgreg wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:40 am

lilith wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:08 am Hi,

I'm getting a new PC built and as there are issues with the 13 and 14 gen Intel CPUs I'm most likely going with AMD.

Does anyone know for sure if the AMD 8700G with AMD Radeon™ 780M is meanwhile supported by the Kernel used in MX Linux? And if not what's the next best CPU you can recommend?

Thanks!

Read this review by phoronix:
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryz ... e_vignette

I would give serious consideration for the Ryzen 7 7800 or Ryzen 9 7900 as alternatives.

j2mcgreg wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:40 am

lilith wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:08 am Hi,

I'm getting a new PC built and as there are issues with the 13 and 14 gen Intel CPUs I'm most likely going with AMD.

Does anyone know for sure if the AMD 8700G with AMD Radeon™ 780M is meanwhile supported by the Kernel used in MX Linux? And if not what's the next best CPU you can recommend?

Thanks!

Read this review by phoronix:
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryz ... e_vignette

I would give serious consideration for the Ryzen 7 7800 or Ryzen 9 7900 as alternatives.

lilith wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:56 pm

j2mcgreg wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:40 am

lilith wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:08 am Hi,

I'm getting a new PC built and as there are issues with the 13 and 14 gen Intel CPUs I'm most likely going with AMD.

Does anyone know for sure if the AMD 8700G with AMD Radeon™ 780M is meanwhile supported by the Kernel used in MX Linux? And if not what's the next best CPU you can recommend?

Thanks!

Read this review by phoronix:
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryz ... e_vignette

I would give serious consideration for the Ryzen 7 7800 or Ryzen 9 7900 as alternatives.

Do you mean the Ryzen 7 7800X3D?

Edit: I will go with 65 W, so 7900 would be an option.

Like with the Phoenix mobile SoCs, the Ryzen 8000G series should work out-of-the-box with modern Linux distributions. Given they are still Zen 4 CPU cores in use and existing motherboard/chipset compatibility (with BIOS update), the system platform support isn't much of a problem assuming you are running a modern Linux distribution with a recent kernel release and on the integrated graphics side using a modern Mesa stack....
The one possible caveat to be aware of may be the need to be using linux-firmware.git for having the very latest AMDGPU firmware files. Initially when I started my 8600G/8700G testing I was encountering hangs and AMDGPU errors when engaging various graphics benchmarks. Once being provided with the latest AMDGPU firmware, those problems went away. It's not clear that all systems/motherboards will be needing the very latest firmware but in any event be aware of checking on new linux-firmware.git should you be buying one of these new processors and hit any graphics issues.

TauTsar wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 4:00 pm As you can see I'm running the most recent AHS kernel and our Mesa driver version is less than the one mentioned in Phoronix's article for the 8700G. As for recommending a CPU, if focused on gaming the 7800 x3d is highly recommended and unquestionably the best choice. It's also a very efficient, low wattage CPU. The integrated graphics work well but gaming isn't it's intended purpose. (I test played Ori and the Blind Forest)

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TauTsar wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 5:03 pm I'm out of my depth and knowledge of hardware required for such tasks as music production. I believe we have members who would have good hardware recommendations helpful for you. Perhaps a more general question posted asking for hardware recommendations would be useful.

Recommend me a good CPU for music production on a Linux system
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When choosing a CPU for music production on a Linux system, you'll want to prioritize a few key factors:

High Core Count: Modern Digital Audio Workstations (DAWs) can benefit from multi-core CPUs, especially when running multiple plugins or virtual instruments.
High Single-Core Performance: Some audio processing tasks, like running certain plugins, still rely heavily on single-core performance.
Compatibility with Linux: Most modern CPUs are compatible with Linux, but it's always good to ensure that the CPU and associated chipset have good support in the Linux kernel.

Recommended CPUs:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X
Cores/Threads: 16 cores / 32 threads
Base/Boost Clock: 4.5 GHz / 5.7 GHz
L3 Cache: 64MB
TDP: 170W
Why it’s good: The Ryzen 9 7950X offers an excellent balance of high core count and strong single-core performance, making it ideal for handling heavy workloads in a DAW. AMD has good Linux support, and the performance per dollar is hard to beat.

Intel Core i9-13900K
Cores/Threads: 24 cores (8 P-cores + 16 E-cores) / 32 threads
Base/Boost Clock: 3.0 GHz (P-core base) / 5.8 GHz (P-core boost)
L3 Cache: 36MB
TDP: 125W (base) / 253W (max turbo)
Why it’s good: The Core i9-13900K offers a hybrid architecture with a mix of high-performance cores and energy-efficient cores. This is useful for both intensive tasks and background processes in a DAW environment. Intel's support for Linux is generally excellent, making this a top choice.

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Cores/Threads: 8 cores / 16 threads
Base/Boost Clock: 4.2 GHz / 5.0 GHz
L3 Cache: 96MB (3D V-Cache)
TDP: 120W
Why it’s good: The Ryzen 7 7800X3D is known for its massive L3 cache, which can help with workloads that require a lot of fast memory access, like large sample libraries in music production. While it has fewer cores than the Ryzen 9, its unique architecture offers strong performance in certain DAW tasks.

Intel Core i7-13700K
Cores/Threads: 16 cores (8 P-cores + 8 E-cores) / 24 threads
Base/Boost Clock: 3.4 GHz (P-core base) / 5.4 GHz (P-core boost)
L3 Cache: 30MB
TDP: 125W (base) / 253W (max turbo)
Why it’s good: A more affordable option compared to the i9-13900K, the i7-13700K still offers excellent multi-core performance and is more than capable of handling demanding music production tasks.

Conclusion:

For a balance of performance and value, the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X is a top choice. However, if you're looking for maximum single-core performance with a good core count, the Intel Core i9-13900K is also an excellent option. Both CPUs have strong Linux support and should serve you well in any music production environment.

j2mcgreg wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:36 pm

lilith wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:56 pm

j2mcgreg wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:40 am

Read this review by phoronix:
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryz ... e_vignette

I would give serious consideration for the Ryzen 7 7800 or Ryzen 9 7900 as alternatives.

Do you mean the Ryzen 7 7800X3D?

Edit: I will go with 65 W, so 7900 would be an option.

yes.
edited to add that you would be wise to check the Linux compatibility of your motherboard as well.

Gigantic performance, absolutely smooth and smooth computer use (total recommendation)

Officially overhauled an AMD Ryzen 7700X with my new AMD Ryzen 7 8700G @ 5.33GHz (8 cores / 16 threads). 78.56 seconds (AMD Ryzen 7700x) vs 76.25 seconds (my best result even ~75 seconds) in the Timed Linux Kernel Compilation in the Phoronix test suite. Result can be found at: https://openbenchmarking.org/result/240 ... LCTESTON64

Games only work to a limited extent under Linux (PopOS 22.04); most problems will only work with the new MESA update in the upcoming PopOS 24.04. Graphics acceleration, videos, etc. worked perfectly, no crashes, after assembling my system everything worked perfectly with PopOS, I didn't have to readjust anything, all the hardware worked perfectly.

Danger! It is essential that you install BIOS update (2413) from ASUS before using the APU, the reason is that otherwise too much power could be sent to the APU and with weak coolers this means that the system would not work.

lilith wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:34 pm The Ryzen 7 7800X3D has a TDP of 120W and on the AMD site they recommend a liquid cooler for this CPU. But when I check the power consumptions at .phoronix it's much less then 120 W.

it is used to measure the amount of heat a component is expected to output when under load.
For example, a CPU may have a TDP of 90W and therefore is expected to output 90W worth of heat when in use.

Default TDP 105W
(overclocked to 4.9GHz will be 142W)
Recommended Cooler: Liquid cooler recommended for optimal performance

siamhie wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:42 pm

lilith wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:34 pm The Ryzen 7 7800X3D has a TDP of 120W and on the AMD site they recommend a liquid cooler for this CPU. But when I check the power consumptions at .phoronix it's much less then 120 W.

TDP stands for Thermal Design Power.

it is used to measure the amount of heat a component is expected to output when under load.
For example, a CPU may have a TDP of 90W and therefore is expected to output 90W worth of heat when in use.

I'm running an AMD Ryzen 9 5950X and their web site says this.

Default TDP 105W
(overclocked to 4.9GHz will be 142W)
Recommended Cooler: Liquid cooler recommended for optimal performance

I using the dual-tower/fan Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 (air cooled) that has a rating of 280W (from the reviews I watched).

lilith wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:48 pm I also have a microATX board and a rather small case.

siamhie wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:54 pm

lilith wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:48 pm I also have a microATX board and a rather small case.

I would head over to pcpartpicker and plug in all of your components (I did this when I built my computer two years ago).
It will tell you if everything will work together, along with case selections. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

lilith wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:48 pm
Thanks, that's the cooler of my offer.

https://www.bequiet.com/de/cpucooler/570

130 W. I think I'm fine with this as I want a 65 W CPU. I also have a microATX board and a rather small case.

siamhie wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:13 pm

lilith wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:48 pm
Thanks, that's the cooler of my offer.

https://www.bequiet.com/de/cpucooler/570

130 W. I think I'm fine with this as I want a 65 W CPU. I also have a microATX board and a rather small case.

You can save some money using the low profile cooler Thermalright SI-100 CPU Air Cooler rated for 210W.
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-SI- ... S7TD9?th=1

My Amazon prices:
Shadow Rock LP: $49.90
Thermalright SI-100: $26.69

lilith wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:01 pm
It's 16€ difference here in the Germany. The be quite is a bit more expensive. The company preferred that one (originally I was thinking about a Noctua fan)...

Stevo wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:53 pm I'm just curious about asking about MX instead of AVLinux.

If you don't like the desktop, you can always install other DEs on AVL.

lilith wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 11:30 am They offered me an AMD 7770X as an alternative, but think the offered be quite cooler (shadow rock LP) is not enough for this CPU. :/

siamhie wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:00 pm

lilith wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 11:30 am They offered me an AMD 7770X as an alternative, but think the offered be quite cooler (shadow rock LP) is not enough for this CPU. :/

The 7770X is rated for 105W and from what I've read, the Shadow Rock LP is rated for 135W whereas the Thermalright SI-100 is rated for 210W.

lilith wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:31 am

Stevo wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:53 pm I'm just curious about asking about MX instead of AVLinux.

If you don't like the desktop, you can always install other DEs on AVL.

sorry, I don't get it. You mean using AVL instead of MX? Does AVL offer newer software compared to MX?

Stevo wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:27 pm

lilith wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:31 am

Stevo wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:53 pm I'm just curious about asking about MX instead of AVLinux.

If you don't like the desktop, you can always install other DEs on AVL.

sorry, I don't get it. You mean using AVL instead of MX? Does AVL offer newer software compared to MX?

It's tuned for multimedia creation out of the box.

You mentioned updating to a newer kernel than the stock Debian one, for instance. It's acknowledged that the Debian kernel is not suited for that kind of job, since it needs low latency, and that kernel is more configured for server use. Debian does offer a realtime alternative kernel, but that comes with its own set of "gotchas". AVL ships instead a quite recent low-latency Liquorix kernel, which pretty much solves the gotchas. And that's just one point.

lilith wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:26 pm The 7700 (TDP 65 W) is 10€ more expensive, so it makes little sense to pay more for less power.

siamhie wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:38 pm

lilith wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:26 pm The 7700 (TDP 65 W) is 10€ more expensive, so it makes little sense to pay more for less power.

That makes no sense to charge more for a lower watt APU. Typical AMD pricing.

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j2mcgreg wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:57 pm
Look at the depth of the boxes in the image. One is likely packaged with a heatsink and cooling fan and the other is just the CPU.

lilith wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:32 pm

Stevo wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:27 pm

lilith wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:31 am

sorry, I don't get it. You mean using AVL instead of MX? Does AVL offer newer software compared to MX?

It's tuned for multimedia creation out of the box.

You mentioned updating to a newer kernel than the stock Debian one, for instance. It's acknowledged that the Debian kernel is not suited for that kind of job, since it needs low latency, and that kernel is more configured for server use. Debian does offer a realtime alternative kernel, but that comes with its own set of "gotchas". AVL ships instead a quite recent low-latency Liquorix kernel, which pretty much solves the gotchas. And that's just one point.

Ok, I see. I'm aware of AV Linux and I tested it awhile ago. I'm mostly working "in the box", so I don't need super low latencies. I also ran into some issues with Enlightenment, that were never present with XFCE. But I will check it on my new PC how it runs. Otherwise UbuntuStudio is also fine.