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Posted: **Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:00 am**

I hope you enjoy this topic. By no means is the first post a complete criticism.

It is very incorrect Thunar wants to have a "Desktop" folder in the home directory. Also, I think it is Firefox that keeps re-creating the "Downloads" folder there even though I told it to use "dls" instead!

The calendar the clock uses when nothing is set is better than Orage for that purpose because it closes gracefully (with another click on the clock), however Orage is the default.

And so forth. Let me take a break and maybe bring some more later. Others prolly have found something to tease you about too.

Posted: **Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:45 am**

If you are only teasing, I am moving your post to the Chat forum.

Posted: **Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:09 am**

remfan1994 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:00 am It is very incorrect Thunar wants to have a "Desktop" folder in the home directory.

Where else are you going to keep the desktop icons? KDE/fluxbox desktops also have a desktop folder in the users home folder.

Also, I think it is Firefox that keeps re-creating the "Downloads" folder there even though I told it to use "dls" instead!

FF doesn't create the Downloads folder. It defaults to using a folder called Downloads and has for a couple of decades now.

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KDE installs don't come with a Downloads folder so I assume all downloads will end up in the users home folder. (I always create one to satisfy FF)
I stand corrected. It creates the folder if one is not available because that is the default download destination. You can still change this in preferences.

Posted: **Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:37 am**

Hi,

Outside observations by new Users are often good for tweaking and tuning the experience however your observations have nothing to do with actual 'MX', these are Linux-wide conventions.. MX developers don't have anything to do with the inner workings of File Managers or Firefox those are handled by their respective developers which usually work toward accepted Open Source standards like XDG and Freedesktop.

Posted: **Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:16 pm**

remfan1994 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:00 am It is very incorrect Thunar wants to have a "Desktop" folder in the home directory.

Thunar and other Desktop Manager, which do display the content of a directory on the visible desktop,
do obey the xdg-standrard directories for a couple of those like Desktop, Downloads etc.
One main advantage to follow the standard dirs,
will allow users with non-English language, do have those directories translated automatically
into their native language.
User can adjust to their liking, the location and the name of those folders,
by adjusting a config file located with users home unde .config:
file: ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs

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# This file is written by xdg-user-dirs-update
# If you want to change or add directories, just edit the line you're
# interested in. All local changes will be retained on the next run.
# Format is XDG_xxx_DIR="$HOME/yyy", where yyy is a shell-escaped
# homedir-relative path, or XDG_xxx_DIR="/yyy", where /yyy is an
# absolute path. No other format is supported.
# 
XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Desktop"
XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/Downloads"
XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="$HOME/Templates"
XDG_PUBLICSHARE_DIR="$HOME/Public"
XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/Documents"
XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Music"
XDG_PICTURES_DIR="$HOME/Pictures"
XDG_VIDEOS_DIR="$HOME/Videos"

In case one of thos directories does not exists, the fallback user home ($HOME) is used.

remfan1994 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:00 am Also, I think it is Firefox that keeps re-creating the "Downloads" folder there even though I told it to use "dls" instead!

In case you cannot addjust an app, you may adjust the default Downloads directory as shown above.

remfan1994 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:00 am The calendar the clock uses when nothing is set is better than Orage for that purpose because it closes gracefully (with another click on the clock), however Orage is the default.

If user do prefer to toggle on/off the orage calendar view,
they can add the switch "-t" or "--toggle"
within the command line of the panel icon.

Posted: **Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:39 pm**

Cheesy!! I wished you had some Gouda points.

Posted: **Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:45 pm**

Stevo wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:39 pm Cheesy!! I wished you had some Gouda points.

Posted: **Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:34 am**

Well i hadn't hoped for technical support. I even thought perhaps I shouldn't say anything, however I did hope others would contribute similar (and better) ideas from their experience...

Posted: **Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:22 am**

do you have spam with the cheese? (just teasing)

Posted: **Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:43 am**

@remfan1994
You just fell into the ‘experience’ trap that your previous operating system had all the answers. It’s the nonsense that Microsoft and Apple have been pushing since the inception of personal computers IE our way is best because we invented the map. If you had done proper research before making your opening statement, you would have discovered the reason why there are so many Linux distros: there are as many viable solutions as there are opinions. The ones that work stick around and the ones that don’t fade away. The idea that there exists (or needs to exist) a pre-ordained methodology for all distros is ludicrous. Diversity is Linux’s core strength.

Posted: **Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:15 am**

j2mcgreg wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:43 am @remfan1994
You just fell into the ‘experience’ trap that your previous operating system had all the answers. It’s the nonsense that Microsoft and Apple have been pushing since the inception of personal computers IE our way is best because we invented the map. If you had done proper research before making your opening statement, you would have discovered the reason why there are so many Linux distros: there are as many viable solutions as there are opinions. The ones that work stick around and the ones that don’t fade away. The idea that there exists (or needs to exist) a pre-ordained methodology for all distros is ludicrous. Diversity is Linux’s core strength.

+1

The way I look at the three OS's out there is like ice cream flavors.

Microsoft is your vanilla
Apple is your chocolate
Linux is your Baskin-Robbins

Posted: **Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:38 am**

j2mcgreg wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:43 am It’s the nonsense that Microsoft and Apple have been pushing since the inception of personal computers IE our way is best because we invented the map.

Even more peculiar is that the map was almost entirely invented by Xerox at their Palo Alto Research Center and nearly every company since has worked tirelessly to pass Xerox's work off as their own.

Posted: **Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:43 am**

+1 @DukeComposed Star ftw !!

Posted: **Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:39 pm**

Matter of taste I guess. I like cheesy food and GUI's.

I do some cheesy motorcycle repairs sometimes. All the customer care about is if it works or not.

I guess jaded is as jaded does.

Easier to be happy in this heat.

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 Pecos forecast: Fri Jul 12: 96/77 °F ☀

Posted: **Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:39 pm**

@j2mcgreg
Comment #10 Well said!

Posted: **Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:33 pm**

Those who claim the creation of the Downloads folder by Firefox can be avoided by messing with its options/preferences
are mistaken. FF will recreate a missing Downloads folder regardless of where you have told it to place all downloads.
There are Bugzilla threads discussing this error going back years and years. The Mozilla devs do not seem much interested
in fixing this.

Posted: **Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:44 pm**

I found by experimenting that
Firefox/Dowwnloads/Firefox Downloads
and
Firefox//Downloads/SeaMonkey Downloads
both work as should do in Dolphin
works in settings for each browser.

Posted: **Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:19 am**

I know I'm new on MXLinux forums but I am not new to constructive criticism and its merits. Nor am I new to online forums and I regret making this post because no one else has contributed to the topic. Sorry to bother you...

Posted: **Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:44 am**

remfan1994 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:19 am I know I'm new on MXLinux forums but I am not new to constructive criticism and its merits. Nor am I new to online forums and I regret making this post because no one else has contributed to the topic. Sorry to bother you...

You are NOT a bother, what where you expecting in contributions to the topic, I do see some funny ones (always cool) also some explained the what is going on (very useful) and as usual I added something slightly completely off topic, I thought it was an OK to read,
not what you expected maybe restructure your question to be more topic specific, I read it to be a bit vague, just saying sometimes when written a Q doesn't get the A wanted or needed.
Don't be put off try again.

Posted: **Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:49 am**

write a poem to me about the beneficence of truth and its indispensable merits towards goodness and mercy
ChatGPT

In the heart of every tale,
Truth's light shall ever prevail,
Guiding souls through darkest night,
With its radiance pure and bright.

In every word and every deed,
Truth plants virtue's fertile seed,
Nurturing goodness, blooming fair,
With compassion beyond compare.

Its steadfast gaze, unwavering, clear,
Dispels the shadows of doubt and fear,
Binding hearts in bonds sincere,
In mercy's embrace, forever near.

For where truth reigns, there blooms grace,
In every corner, every space,
Justice walks hand-in-hand with peace,
And love's gentle touch finds release.

O Truth, celestial, divine,
In your presence, hearts align,
In your wisdom, souls refine,
To shine with goodness, ever thine.

I have a couple more:

The manual is hard to look at, even with inverted color mode (qpdf). The white/black black/white contrast is too high. ...
I used to get past this with text-based documents and low-contrast color configurations on terminals, however, your use of a pdf precludes this technique.

Besides tthat, I don't believe there is any reason different window managers constitute reasons for different ISOs and versions. A window manager is a frivolous superficial thing, and it seems so all-important to the distribution scheme between this XFCE/KDE/Fluxbox hype. Surely one version is enough, or perhaps different and better reasons for alternate versions. I'll tell you this -- it would take more than something apt-get can fix in order to justify such a move as having three separate versions: something like different back-ends (like when crunchbang was also archbang for example).

Well take it easy ya'll

Posted: **Sun Jul 14, 2024 6:06 am**

@remfan1994 wrote:

The manual is hard to look at, even with inverted color mode (qpdf). The white/black black/white contrast is too high. ...
I used to get past this with text-based documents and low-contrast color configurations on terminals, however, your use of a pdf precludes this technique.

So change the theme.

No offence intended, but you need to pick another distro. It's obvious that the way we have structured MX doesn't suit your sensibilities. There are 99 other distros listed on Distrowatch and surely one of them is going to be a better choice for you.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:29 pm**

@kreemoweet : I drifted into MX-Linux 14 months ago and discovered it was the operating system for me. It's certainly not cheesy unlike the Microsoft product, which might be likened to Emmental, it's so full of holes.

There is a story about a Swiss cheese that was discovered in a pantry by four mice which were going to share it. One, the more mathematical one, claimed the holes amounted to one quarter of the cheese. They argued but the mathematically minded mouse was adamant. Suddenly the household cat appeared and the mice quickly scattered and hid. A little while later, when the coast was clear the mice returned to the cheese one by one. The mathematically minded mouse, always a bit more scared than the others was last on the scene to discover no cheese left. "How unfair!", the animal exclaimed, "you've eaten it all". "Oh no", claimed the other three, "we shared it fairly and divided it into four - yours is the quarter that is the holes."

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:00 pm**

remfan1994 wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:49 am Besides tthat, I don't believe there is any reason different window managers constitute reasons for different ISOs and versions.

As I understand it, these differences are not just in window manager, but in a bunch of different graphical desktop components. MX Linux isn't the only distribution to do this. Fedora, for example, has different 'spins' with different desktop environments. Ubuntu has 'flavours'. I don't know how this works in MX, but the Xfce4 'spin' of Fedora is a very different beast from the Gnome variant, and it seems to me to make good sense that there are different installation images.

BR, Lars.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:46 pm**

What counts to a fixed method for all distributions is subjective. Thank God there is a Linux basic order. If you're bored, you can arrange Downloads and Desktop folders where regular Linux users won't immediately find them. Since I don't like exotic settings and am too lazy to search, I always use Xfce on all Linux distributions.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:15 pm**

People like different user interfaces. I don't think different desktop environments and/WM are a minor thing to users. And some want fluxbox for less resource consumption, sometimes (not always) because their hardware is older/weaker.

MX tries to be newbie friendly. So we offer 3 different DE/WM with varying levels of flashiness and/or resource consumption.

I can't believe that someone would object or criticise that. Plus, KDE was the original DE that Mepis (our spiritual predecessor) used. So there is some history there as well.

PS. As far as I can recall (though I might be wrong), archbang was not related to crunchbang, which I used to use from 2009 to its end. The former was created by Arch users who were lovers of its aesthetics and of Openbox.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:18 pm**

I dislike thread tiles that waste everybody's time.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:01 am**

remfan1994 wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:49 am it seems so all-important to the distribution scheme between this XFCE/KDE/Fluxbox hype. Surely one version is enough, or perhaps different and better reasons for alternate versions.

I can only comment on the fluxbox side of this. Install fluxbox on ANY other distro and you will have the vanilla version of fluxbox from 2015 (1.3.7) compared to the MX fluxbox desktop (1.3.7+git20220731).
The amount of customization done to the desktop along with all the patches Mathias Gumz (and other fluxbox developers) have published to the fluxbox git site since 2015 has been added to the MX version
which is up to July 2022 makes MX fluxbox short of a desktop environment.

Just my two cents from a fluxer since 0.1.14 (2002).

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