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Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:10 am
by anticapitalista
seamonkey is now 2.53.18.1
palemoon is now Pale Moon 33.0

Thanks

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:49 am
by mmikeinsantarosa
The latest seamonkey in the mozillaa repo is 2.53.18. I check for new releases of firefox and seamonkey at least every other day. AS soon as I see it, I'll get it up.

When I go to their download page, what's there is a 2.53.18.b1(beta). I bet they put it up as soon as it drops the "b".

- mike

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:18 pm
by Stevo
Pale Moon 33.0.0 just made it into the MX 21 repo yesterday, after I had some trouble with the checksums that the OBS was generating for the finished builds.

https://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/pool/main/p/palemoon/

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:41 pm
by anticapitalista
mmikeinsantarosa wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:49 am The latest seamonkey in the mozillaa repo is 2.53.18. I check for new releases of firefox and seamonkey at least every other day. AS soon as I see it, I'll get it up.

When I go to their download page, what's there is a 2.53.18.b1(beta). I bet they put it up as soon as it drops the "b".

- mike
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/

says

Download Now
SeaMonkey 2.53.18.1
Platform: Linux x64
Language: English (US)

Thanks

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:54 pm
by Stevo
What anti said:
January 16, 2024

SeaMonkey 2.53.18.1 released

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.53.18.1: The new release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for free download now!

2.53.18.1 is a minor bugfix release on the 2.53.x branch and contains a crash fix and a few other fixes to the application from the underlying platform code.

SeaMonkey 2.53.18.1 is available in 23 languages, for Windows, macOS x64 and Linux.

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:54 pm
by mmikeinsantarosa
Stevo wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:54 pm What anti said:
January 16, 2024

SeaMonkey 2.53.18.1 released

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.53.18.1: The new release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for free download now!

2.53.18.1 is a minor bugfix release on the 2.53.x branch and contains a crash fix and a few other fixes to the application from the underlying platform code.

SeaMonkey 2.53.18.1 is available in 23 languages, for Windows, macOS x64 and Linux.
I don't have a real debian for this one.
steveo, it's all yours if you want it. Otherwise, I'll wait for the compiled binaries to show up at mozilla.

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:59 pm
by dolphin_oracle
mmikeinsantarosa wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:54 pm
Stevo wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:54 pm What anti said:
January 16, 2024

SeaMonkey 2.53.18.1 released

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.53.18.1: The new release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for free download now!

2.53.18.1 is a minor bugfix release on the 2.53.x branch and contains a crash fix and a few other fixes to the application from the underlying platform code.

SeaMonkey 2.53.18.1 is available in 23 languages, for Windows, macOS x64 and Linux.
I don't have a real debian for this one.
steveo, it's all yours if you want it. Otherwise, I'll wait for the compiled binaries to show up at mozilla.
they might have just moved them

https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/r ... index.html

**edit** I guess that's not mozilla, but seamonkey's binaries.

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:22 am
by mmikeinsantarosa
2.53.8.1 is up now. I can get it up after work today.

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 3:13 pm
by mmikeinsantarosa
just sent it up.

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 5:55 am
by anticapitalista
Thanks mike and stevo

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:05 pm
by mmikeinsantarosa
I screwed up and sent 2.53.8.1 up as 2.53.18.1. I asked tim to put 2.53.18 back up. 2.53.18.1 is still not in the mozilla repo

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:42 pm
by app4soft
Stevo wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:18 pm Pale Moon 33.0.0 just made it into the MX 21 repo yesterday, after I had some trouble with the checksums that the OBS was generating for the finished builds.

https://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/pool/main/p/palemoon/
Pale Moon 33.3.0 released with a breaking changes - official builds now requires CPUs with AWX, and there no official builds for CPUs with SSE2: https://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml

There are contributed AVX and SSE2 builds on FTP in "avx" folder, though: ftp://ftp.palemoon.org/avx/linux/
(NOTE: For security reasons, don't use this contributed binary directly, see: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.ph ... 40#p254440)

Please, package Pale Moon 33.3.0 GTK2 for MX-23 with the SSE2 support.

Here is configuration for build from source:

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# Set GTK Version to 2 or 3
#_GTK_VERSION=2

# Application and target
#export MOZ_PKG_SPECIAL=sse2_gtk"$_GTK_VERSION"
export MOZ_PKG_SPECIAL=avx2_gtk"$_GTK_VERSION"
mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=../build/obj-pm-x64-$MOZ_PKG_SPECIAL-release
ac_add_options --enable-application=palemoon

# Build options
mk_add_options MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS="-j6"
#ac_add_options --enable-optimize="-O2 -msse2 -mfpmath=sse -w"
ac_add_options --enable-optimize="-O2 -march=x86-64-v3 -w"
ac_add_options --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk$_GTK_VERSION

ac_add_options --enable-official-branding
ac_add_options --enable-update-channel=release
ac_add_options --enable-updater

ac_add_options --disable-precompiled-startupcache

ac_add_options --enable-jemalloc
ac_add_options --enable-strip

ac_add_options --enable-devtools
ac_add_options --enable-av1
ac_add_options --enable-jxl

ac_add_options --disable-gamepad
ac_add_options --disable-tests
ac_add_options --disable-debug
ac_add_options --disable-necko-wifi

ac_add_options --disable-webrtc

ac_add_options --with-pthreads

# Please see https://www.palemoon.org/redist.shtml for restrictions when using the official branding.
export MC_OFFICIAL=1
export MOZILLA_OFFICIAL=1

ac_add_options --x-libraries=/usr/lib64

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:45 pm
by Eadwine Rose
Please post the request in the correct subforum. You're in the mx21 requests.

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:53 pm
by app4soft
Eadwine Rose wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:45 pm Please post the request in the correct subforum. You're in the mx21 requests.
As Pale Moon is already in repos and that is just an update reqeust, and there is no "MX 23 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread" yet (only MX 21 topic), should I create "MX 23 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread"?

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:25 pm
by Stevo
Since MX 21 and 23 xfce are GTK+ 3, and I've built the last couple versions in our repos as such, why GTK+ 2?

We also haven't supported sse2 in it for lo these many years...is there a pressing need for it now?

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:18 pm
by Stevo
Well, I've copied the sse2 config enablement from those sse2 builds for our MX...hopefully that's cromulent with the Palemoon devs and I don't have to change the package name to "newmoon"...but I wonder why they don't just enable it if it's that innocuous.

Sources uploaded to the OBS for package builds.

Edit: Well, it makes the builds fail on ARM, since they don't have that CPU feature. I think I can apply it only for x86 builds. Retrying...

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 5:10 am
by dreamer
Stevo wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:25 pm We also haven't supported sse2 in it for lo these many years...is there a pressing need for it now?
Maybe it's a Windows thing (see below). They updated their requirements though, because if they didn't they would "leave a lot of performance on the table".

https://www.palemoon.org/systemrequirements.shtml
Minimum requirements for official builds:
32-bit (Windows only): A processor with at least SSE2 support (any CPU that is not museum-grade should be fine).
64-bit: A processor with at least AVX support. Almost all modern processors from the last decade support this.
At least 2 GB of free RAM.
While it may be possible to run it in limited fashion on less RAM, it isn't recommended as memory pressure will cause a lot of performance loss and may cause crashes.
A reasonable screen size (720p or higher).

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 5:48 am
by app4soft
Stevo wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:25 pm Since MX 21 and 23 xfce are GTK+ 3, and I've built the last couple versions in our repos as such, why GTK+ 2?

We also haven't supported sse2 in it for lo these many years...is there a pressing need for it now?
I tried latest official builds of Pale Moon 33.3.0 on my old PC:
  • AVX build just not starts (CPU is SSE2 only)
  • SSE2 build works.
There are a lot of old PCs around there, that is not able to run any usable browser, but Pale Moon SSE2 build.

About GTK2, is not it uses less resources than GTK3? (which is important for old PC with limited RAM)

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 5:59 am
by app4soft
Stevo wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:25 pm We also haven't supported sse2 in it for lo these many years...
But MX-23 package of Pale Moon 33.2.1 (amd64, GTk3) works on my PC, how it could be if it is not SSE2 build and my CPU is SSE2 only?

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:22 am
by oops
app4soft wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 5:59 am
Stevo wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:25 pm We also haven't supported sse2 in it for lo these many years...
But MX-23 package of Pale Moon 33.2.1 (amd64, GTk3) works on my PC, how it could be if it is not SSE2 build and my CPU is SSE2 only?
SSE2 build was the default build, until 33.3.0 (now the default is AVX)

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:52 am
by Stevo
oops wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:22 am
app4soft wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 5:59 am
Stevo wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:25 pm We also haven't supported sse2 in it for lo these many years...
But MX-23 package of Pale Moon 33.2.1 (amd64, GTk3) works on my PC, how it could be if it is not SSE2 build and my CPU is SSE2 only?
SSE2 build was the default build, until 33.3.0 (now the default is AVX)
OK, I guess it now has to be specially enabled in the configuration?

Appsoft, do you have any data on how much resources are saved with gtk2 vs gtk3?

Anyway, the builds are here if you want them early: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hs-agw ... sp=sharing

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 11:46 am
by oops
Stevo wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:52 am ...

OK, I guess it now has to be specially enabled in the configuration?
For better compatibility into MX, and for most people, SSE (2-3-4 ?) is better than AVX or AVX2, AVX512, etc. (with the old PCs)

So yes, and maybe some tests are needed ?

EX: For my PC, sse is OK, avx is OK but not avx2, avx512

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$ inxi --flags
CPU:
  Info: quad core model: Intel Core i5-2320 bits: 64 type: MCP cache:
    L2: 1024 KiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1920 min/max: 1600/3300 cores: 1: 1778 2: 1876 3: 1705
    4: 2323
  Flags: acpi aes aperfmperf apic arat arch_perfmon avx bts clflush cmov
    constant_tsc cpuid cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts epb ept est
    flexpriority flush_l1d fpu fxsr ht ibpb ibrs ida lahf_lm lm mca mce
    md_clear mmx monitor msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx pae pat pbe pcid
    pclmulqdq pdcm pebs pge pln pni popcnt pse pse36 pti pts rdtscp rep_good
    sep ssbd sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 stibp syscall tm tm2 tpr_shadow tsc
    tsc_deadline_timer vme vmx vnmi vpid xsave xsaveopt xtopology xtpr

Re: Request latest seamonkey and palemoon

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:47 pm
by app4soft
Stevo wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:52 am Appsoft, do you have any data on how much resources are saved with gtk2 vs gtk3?
No data, but behavior somehow.

Is there a good easy to use tool/utility to collect data on difference in GTK2 and GTK3 versions performance?
Stevo wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:52 am Anyway, the builds are here if you want them early: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hs-agw ... sp=sharing
Updated and actually using it to post here. Thanks!