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How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:38 am
by rambo919
A few months ago I needed non-ancient drivers to make new games work (not work better just plain actually load) so 525 was out of the question.
I used
https://www.linuxcapable.com/install-nv ... on-debian/ to install 545 via ddm. Now however due to nvidia being stupid on their end and sending a hotfix only to certain places..... flatpaks are broken. So I though ok no problem.... just downgrade back to 525 or even non-hotfix 545. Computer says no.
525 remnants are still installed for some reason, ddm never removed them. ddm tries to install 390 but does not remove either 525 or 545. I tried a purge of nvidia with the nvidia repos disabled but then when I try to reinstall.... unmet dependencies and had to timeshift back to before I attempted to downgrade. This is a laughable situation.... I can maybe timeshift back all the way to november with no guarantee it will will work but for some reason it refuses to not also shift back parts of my /home which I cannot disable so backup first, ok, option. Imagine if on windows to merely downgrade a driver you have to potentially reinstall the OS?
What happened to the missing dependencies? Can I downgrade without timeshift or OS reinstall? Is my best option just to wait for nvidia to wake up and upgrade to the next driver version so flatpaks can work again? Is there a non-cuda repo somewhere I can try?
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Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:14 am
by TuxNuX
nvidia driver with flakpack but are you serious?
Stop this kind of nonsense!
I don't understand what you want, why do you want to downgrade the drivers, it's stupid, your card is recent, you need drivers 525.xxx or more.
If it works well but one of the games does not work, the problem does not come from the video drivers but from your game
I want to help you but honestly I don't understand your problem :(
with ddm-mx you can force the installation of a version, but personally unless you really know what you are doing it is to be avoided
for more info in console type
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:17 am
by wdscharff
I can't solve your problem, but I can see some issues that could have led to the problem
(maybe, your problem is only the game)
You did NOT use the MXPI for the installation, which can always lead to problems. I have always installed nvidia drivers via MXPI, rarely had problems (which were always solved here promptly) and my biggest problem was that the drivers did not help me much (in my daily work). Especially with drivers, you should first try out external sources intensively on a test system, even if it is the manufacturer. By test system I don't mean a USB stick or a virtual machine, but (the only real thing) a real installation on the system on which it is to be used. I have a free 50GB partition on one of the connected SSDs for such "games"
I also see a lot of PPAs, i.e. Ubuntu sources, in the repos. This is suicide in action!
PPA are Ubuntu world (so not even debian), can work, but often break your system after the first update.
Keyword to google: FrankenDebian.
Anyone who has at least taken a cursory look at the documentation, help files and the wiki for MX knows that it is better not to do this.
that smells like a new installation
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:17 am
by Eadwine Rose
TuxNuX wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:14 am
nvidia driver with flakpack but are you serious?
Stop this kind of nonsense!
I don't understand what you want, why do you want to downgrade the drivers, it's stupid, your card is recent, you need drivers 525.xxx or more.
If it works well but one of the games does not work, the problem does not come from the video drivers but from your game
I want to help you but honestly I don't understand your problem :(
@TuxNuX
Calling things nonsense and stupid is not a helpful way to address peoples' questions. Please refrain from doing this in the future.
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:31 am
by rambo919
TuxNuX wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:14 am
nvidia driver with flakpack but are you serious?
Stop this kind of nonsense!
I don't understand what you want, why do you want to downgrade the drivers, it's stupid, your card is recent, you need drivers 525.xxx or more.
If it works well but one of the games does not work, the problem does not come from the video drivers but from your game
I want to help you but honestly I don't understand your problem :(
with ddm-mx you can force the installation of a version, but personally unless you really know what you are doing it is to be avoided
for more info in console type
Any OpenGL accelerated flatpak requires an equivalent flatpak graphics driver runtime to run.... because of the driver version mismatch it cannot find one so it just does not start up. The obvious solution is to downgrade the graphics driver back down to a version before this mismatch occurred. This is something that should not happen but in this case it did because nvidia was lazy and pushed a fire and forget hotfix that basically broke half of flatpak for anyone with that driver version.
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:41 am
by rambo919
wdscharff wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:17 am
I can't solve your problem, but I can see some issues that could have led to the problem
(maybe, your problem is only the game)
You did NOT use the MXPI for the installation, which can always lead to problems. I have always installed nvidia drivers via MXPI, rarely had problems (which were always solved here promptly) and my biggest problem was that the drivers did not help me much (in my daily work). Especially with drivers, you should first try out external sources intensively on a test system, even if it is the manufacturer. By test system I don't mean a USB stick or a virtual machine, but (the only real thing) a real installation on the system on which it is to be used. I have a free 50GB partition on one of the connected SSDs for such "games"
I also see a lot of PPAs, i.e. Ubuntu sources, in the repos. This is suicide in action!
PPA are Ubuntu world (so not even debian), can work, but often break your system after the first update.
Keyword to google: FrankenDebian.
Anyone who has at least taken a cursory look at the documentation, help files and the wiki for MX knows that it is better not to do this.
that smells like a new installation
The thing is the driver actually runs flawlessly and per se I have no problem with it.... but it has a fight with flatpak which I only noticed way after, probably the hotfix came out later when I was not paying attention. This was from the official nvidia repo btw not a ppa, this is completely their mess.
Numerous people over the last period of time have tried to get newer drivers into MXPI but it always gets rebuffed because no one feels like working on it... otherwise I would have taken that route.... you even have the ridiculous situation where there is nothing in the test repo at all even though 535 is officially considered stable (but it's a buggy mess IMO that got replaced instead of fixed) and 545 runs better than both 525 and 535. The irony is unless someone wakes up and smells the rotting corpse the next driver version in MXPI will be the inferior 535 and that will only happen in a year or so's time.
For reference, it's not all that an obscure problem
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/5 ... age/273181
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:55 am
by Snod Blatter
I also installed the drivers from the CUDA repo so this was interesting to me. I've never had this problem but then I don't run flatpaks soo....
Anyway, it seems that just a few hours ago the
CUDA 545.23.08 drivers were added to Flatpak, so hopefully it'll work now? If not you can also try the command
to get the new driver.
Fingers crossed!
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:59 am
by TuxNuX
wdscharff wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:17 am
I can't solve your problem, but I can see some issues that could have led to the problem
(maybe, your problem is only the game)
You did NOT use the MXPI for the installation, which can always lead to problems. I have always installed nvidia drivers via MXPI, rarely had problems (which were always solved here promptly) and my biggest problem was that the drivers did not help me much (in my daily work). Especially with drivers, you should first try out external sources intensively on a test system, even if it is the manufacturer. By test system I don't mean a USB stick or a virtual machine, but (the only real thing) a real installation on the system on which it is to be used. I have a free 50GB partition on one of the connected SSDs for such "games"
I also see a lot of PPAs, i.e. Ubuntu sources, in the repos. This is suicide in action!
PPA are Ubuntu world (so not even debian), can work, but often break your system after the first update.
Keyword to google: FrankenDebian.
Anyone who has at least taken a cursory look at the documentation, help files and the wiki for MX knows that it is better not to do this.
that smells like a new installation
if you installed with a flatpak you must uninstall with a flatplack
if you installed with a ".run" you must uninstall with the ".run"
And from what I can understand you had to install more times with different installers and that's why you end up with several versions of drivers and a bunch of problems
the debian mx drivers work really very well and unless you have an insurmountable problem you should avoid installing them from other sources
I think you'll have to delete everything manually.
I've already done anything wrong (I'm stupid too hahaha) and found myself with several versions of the same program, it's really hard to repair especially if it concerns drivers or other things important to the system
maybe you will have to reinstall your distribution :(
But is your game a Linux or Windows game?
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:09 am
by TuxNuX
everyone does what they want but personally I do not recommend flatpaks especially for drivers and important things concerning the system
If you really have no choice, it is better to use the ".run" drivers from the Nvidia website
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:37 am
by rambo919
TuxNuX wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:09 am
everyone does what they want but personally I do not recommend flatpaks especially for drivers and important things concerning the system
If you really have no choice, it is better to use the ".run" drivers from the Nvidia website
Uhm, you seem confused.
Flatpak does the driver mirroring itself, you cannot install a driver from a flatpak, it looks at what you are running and installs the corresponding flatpak runtime. This is where the version mismatch breaks flatpak and only flatpak. Anything from gzdoom to peazip or calibre is broken because of this.
As for the game that caused me to have to update the graphics drivers, it was Starfield.... which still runs better on windows anyway annoyingly. The big games that started coming out in the last months of 2023 pretty much all require 545 version... and it's going to continue this year. They use functions not implemented yet in the older drivers.
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:40 am
by rambo919
Snod Blatter wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:55 am
I also installed the drivers from the CUDA repo so this was interesting to me. I've never had this problem but then I don't run flatpaks soo....
Anyway, it seems that just a few hours ago the
CUDA 545.23.08 drivers were added to Flatpak, so hopefully it'll work now? If not you can also try the command
to get the new driver.
Fingers crossed!
Thanks, I tried this morning and it must just not have filtered through yet.... it shows a 10GB download though so it's gonna take a bit of time to see if it works. Looks like this is because of a workaround.
I would still like to know how to downgrade though of course if needed in future. I hate the assumption of "fix by upgrade" if only because it can take so long to actually be implemented.
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:51 am
by TuxNuX
I don't see what I'm confused about, I've known and used Nvidia cards for ~25 years, I have no pretensions but I have some experience, I have nothing against flakpak but regarding the drivers etc. no thanks!
I don't understand your driver story, for Windows games under Linux it's mainly a question of configuration and version of W.I.N.E, the best being to use playonlinux, lutris etc.
the only big problem there is at least with nvidia is the optimus, frankly the performance is not great especially with low priced laptops
Well, don't dream if you want to play the latest generation games that require extreme performance, unless they are native Linux games, forget it, you will never have the same performance as under Windows
before the Nvidias drivers were unified and under xfree I having to get better performance under Linux than under Windows hahaha
in short, as I keep repeating, I don't have no pretensions, I'm just giving my opinion as an "old" Linux user after everyone does what they want...
As for your game, try the configuration
https://lutris.net/games/starfield/
And look on the lutris forum
I don't know your game but often in recent games, you can choose in the graphics options direct 12,11 etc or compatible, Legacy etc favor Legacy, and vulkan is not optimal with direct 12 uses direct 11 instead
but hey, like I said, if you really want high performance with a last gen Windows game, use Windows...
but if I can advise you, drop the flakpak drivers or really as a last resort, favor everything related to W.I.N.E, Vulkan etc.
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 2:11 pm
by rambo919
TuxNuX wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:51 am
I don't see what I'm confused about, I've known and used Nvidia cards for ~25 years, I have no pretensions but I have some experience, I have nothing against flakpak but regarding the drivers etc. no thanks!
I don't understand your driver story, for Windows games under Linux it's mainly a question of configuration and version of W.I.N.E, the best being to use playonlinux, lutris etc.
the only big problem there is at least with nvidia is the optimus, frankly the performance is not great especially with low priced laptops
Well, don't dream if you want to play the latest generation games that require extreme performance, unless they are native Linux games, forget it, you will never have the same performance as under Windows
before the Nvidias drivers were unified and under xfree I having to get better performance under Linux than under Windows hahaha
in short, as I keep repeating, I don't have no pretensions, I'm just giving my opinion as an "old" Linux user after everyone does what they want...
Only saw this now, yes there is a performance penalty but this diminishes over time. For SF specifically this turned out for now to be too great.... this does not mean don't play games on Linux that rationale in itself makes no sense. It also has no bearing on the odd argument for keeping ancient video drivers when new and better performing one's are available.... nor does it mean there is no reason to upgrade or downgrade at will. The general end user needs always trump the desires of the provider.
As for your game, try the configuration
https://lutris.net/games/starfield/
And look on the lutris forum
I don't know your game but often in recent games, you can choose in the graphics options direct 12,11 etc or compatible, Legacy etc favor Legacy, and vulkan is not optimal with direct 12 uses direct 11 instead
but hey, like I said, if you really want high performance with a last gen Windows game, use Windows...
Useless advice given that new drivers are actually required to even start the game up, this is why game ready driver versions exist. There is no workaround for required driver versions.
but if I can advise you, drop the flakpak drivers or really as a last resort, favor everything related to W.I.N.E, Vulkan etc.
That's not how flatpak drivers work, you cannot use flatpak drivers for anything other than flatpaks and flatpaks cannot use system drivers. Flatpak looks at what drivers you have installed and then downloads it's own versions to mirror your hardware setup. There literally is no choice in the matter.
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 2:16 pm
by rambo919
Ironically I have yet again a driver problem only this time kernels wont install properly and the lock screen hangs..... will just have to timeshift back a week again I guess. Have to stop just blindly trusting updates to not brick my system..... so stupid to not be able to do a simple downgrade... imagine the unhappyness if windows required you to do a total OS reinstall just to downgrade a driver?
Stupidly thought the worst that could happen is flatpaks stop working again for a week or so.... another new game involved this time.... still doesn't run anyway because apparently I don't have enough VRAM anymore for it to not crash.
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 2:19 pm
by Eadwine Rose
There are some announcements in the announcement section.
I always tend to wait a bit to see if others are brave enough to do the bricking
Re: How to downgrade nvidia drivers?
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 2:46 pm
by rambo919
Eadwine Rose wrote: Sun May 26, 2024 2:19 pm
There are some announcements in the announcement section.
I always tend to wait a bit to see if others are brave enough to do the bricking
I really should have learnt my lesson and started to be careful about driver updates..... did not expect anything other than flatpaks to also break.