I do not find new packages in MX repos

[Dictador]

I installed Kicad by following the instruction for Ubuntu on Kicad website and I ended up with Kicad 6.
However the most ercent version of Kicad is 7, but I do not seam to be able to install Kicad 7 in any way. I enable backorts repo. Kicad 7 is there but when I try to install it I get an error that libstdc++6 is too old and there is no newer version of libstdc++6 available in repos. I checked. The installed version of libstdc++6 is v12 but I read that the latest version in debian repos is already v13.
But my problem is not only about ancient versions of Kicad or libstdc++6 in MX repos. A lot of packages available in MX repos are just in ancient versions. It is really whatever I try to install the package manager picks up outdated versions. Whether it is Latex, Python, Kicad or anything else it is all at least a few years old.
I tried to switch the main repo to something else - no change (synaptic shows distro "bookworm").

Is there an elegant way configure linux mx to get more recent package updates?
How do I install Kicad 7? (using apt install ....)
At the moment it is about Kicad, but run into this problem every day with many different packages. It is really annoying.

Linux Amanda 6.1.0-10-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.38-2 (2023-07-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux

[uncle mark]

MX is based on Debian stable and the available packages are not going to be the absolute latest and greatest. If it is necessary for you to have all the latest and greatest software, then MX may not be the best choice for you. That said, if you make a request for a particular package in the appropriate forum, more times than not one of the MX packagers will be able to fix you up.

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[dolphin_oracle]

I installed Kicad by following the instruction for Ubuntu on Kicad website and I ended up with Kicad 6.
However the most ercent version of Kicad is 7, but I do not seam to be able to install Kicad 7 in any way. I enable backorts repo. Kicad 7 is there but when I try to install it I get an error that libstdc++6 is too old and there is no newer version of libstdc++6 available in repos. I checked. The installed version of libstdc++6 is v12 but I read that the latest version in debian repos is already v13.
But my problem is not only about ancient versions of Kicad or libstdc++6 in MX repos. A lot of packages available in MX repos are just in ancient versions. It is really whatever I try to install the package manager picks up outdated versions. Whether it is Latex, Python, Kicad or anything else it is all at least a few years old.
I tried to switch the main repo to something else - no change (synaptic shows distro "bookworm").

Is there an elegant way configure linux mx to get more recent package updates?
How do I install Kicad 7? (using apt install ....)
At the moment it is about Kicad, but run into this problem every day with many different packages. It is really annoying.

Linux Amanda 6.1.0-10-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.38-2 (2023-07-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux

debian's libstdc++6 is at 12.2.0-14. if you see 13+ in your websearches, that's for debian testing or sid. which is not what MX is based on. "bookworm" is the current debian stable, and that's what MX uses for the bulk of the repository. the stable in "Debian stable" means it doesn't change much between releases, and most of our packages still draw from the debian repositories. Not all, but most.

if you want later apps, and run something based on debian stable, I would get comfortable with flatpaks. we do get some new stuff in our mx test repo, and there is the debian backports repo, but packager time is limited so in no way will everything be backported.

FWIW, on my base MX 23 system, KiCAD 7 installed fine. I would presume you have some external repos enabled that are causing you some compatibility issues, but you didn't provide your quick-system-info, so that is a guess.

[Dictador]

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[Dictador]

As I said, in this moment I try to update Kicad from v6 to v7 and I am unable to do that but the problem is with many other packages and it is not about getting the latest and the greatest but in some cases it is 5 years.
For example scikit-rf for python is installing in v0.15 while the latest is v0.29. That is 4 years difference!

[Arnox]

There's a lot of active repos in there that are not stock. Any one of them could be causing problems. Now, I can't exactly recall how to return one's repos back to the default (I'm not near an MX computer at the moment), so someone else will still need to respond here, but yeah. That should definitely fix the issue.

[asqwerth]

You might have already messed up your system by mixing Ubuntu packages with MX/Debian. You appear to have lots of Ubuntu-labelled repos.

Might be a possible reason why you are having issues installing kicad (which is available in Debian backports, so did not need you to follow Ubuntu instructions to install) and showing package conflicts.

Read this: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian

[Dictador]

kicad v6 is in bookwarm repo. kicad v7 is in backports repo. (I'm not gonna investigate why v7 cannot be placed in bookworm, but ok. let it be so.)
I disable the bookworm repo, enable backports and synaptic finds v7, but:
sudo apt install kicad
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
kicad : Depends: libodbc2 (>= 2.3.1) but it is not installable

Why is then my MX coming with an old libodbc2? And if it is coming with an old package then why is package manager not selecting it for upgrade?
Ok, I added some ubuntu repos, but I did it for a reason and disabled them after installing what was to be installed. And I added ubuntu repos because there was nothing in debian/mx repos.
Backports repo also cannot be enabled all the time because that brakes some other packages, i.e. firefox.

Another thing I do not understand. I install python module "pip install scikit-rf" and pip is only finding a 4 years old module in repos. Why?

I installed this MX only few weeks ago so it is relatively clean and fresh. Original repo configuration just was not providing the right packages for me. It was actually very bad. I remember that only redhat was worse. But I agree that improving repo configuration may help. But what should be the right repo configuration?

[Eadwine Rose]

OK.. I am gonna give it to you plain and simple: You have messed up your system with those ubuntu things. MX is not compatible with ubuntu. Now we cannot help you with your computer, as the system has been broken.

The best thing to do now is backup your stuff, install clean. DO NOT add anything ubuntu.

Now install kicad. You will see it works. If it does not, share your QSI, and we will help out.