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19.4 Perfect - 21.1 broken mess - 2nd user/2nd thread.

#1 Post by unnameduser »

I apologize for hijacking this thread. Maybe (probably) I should have opened my own. But since this subject/thread is so general (no detailes about OP's problems) I will digress here . My experience is similar to @mxuserjohn's. My MX17 and MX19 were both more or less
indestructible. I used to install so much stuff on it. Even instalations from source. I was experimenting with it a lot. Never had any serious issue. Now... I feel like I'm using some not so polished distro. My GF is till using MX18 that I used to abuse.
1. On cold boot, MX 21 uses a lot more memory. Something like 60% out of my 4GB of ram. It used to be cca 30%. (I didnt install anything more than in my old mx19)
2. Only today, Opera made my system almost freeze few times. (both proc and mem stuck around 98%) I had to kill X to access my PC again. (I did not open more tabs than usual)
3. after killing X.. i logged back in. There's no network manager icon in tray. I am still connected to my wifi tho'.


Before someone asks. I did a clean install and I did check sha256sum
well, my hardware IS old so maybe it's about kernel compatibility. (I plan to upgrade hardware very soon. But then, my system will be to new :D)

BTW, here's my QSI:

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System:
  Kernel: 5.10.0-13-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
  parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-5.10.0-13-amd64 
  root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash 
  Desktop: Xfce 4.16.0 tk: Gtk 3.24.24 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm 4.16.1 vt: 7 
  dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: MX-21.1_x64 Wildflower April 9  2022 
  base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: Abit model: AB9/AB9RPO(Intel965+ICH8) v: 1.x 
  serial: <filter> BIOS: Phoenix v: 6.00 PG date: 09/08/2006 
Battery:
  Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Keyboard serial: <filter> 
  charge: 55% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes status: Discharging 
CPU:
  Info: Dual Core model: Intel Core2 6400 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Core Merom 
  family: 6 model-id: F (15) stepping: 6 microcode: D0 cache: L2: 2 MiB 
  flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 8512 
  Speed: 1596 MHz min/max: 600/800 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1596 2: 1596 
  Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled 
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: EPT disabled 
  Type: mds 
  status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT disabled 
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI 
  Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable 
  Type: spectre_v1 
  mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling 
  Type: srbds status: Not affected 
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM] 
  vendor: PC Partner Limited driver: radeon v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.0 
  chip-ID: 1002:6779 class-ID: 0300 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 compositor: xfwm4 v: 4.16.1 driver: 
  loaded: radeon display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1 
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.0x11.2") 
  s-diag: 582mm (22.9") 
  Monitor-1: DVI-0 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 93 size: 527x297mm (20.7x11.7") 
  diag: 605mm (23.8") 
  OpenGL: renderer: AMD CAICOS (DRM 2.50.0 / 5.10.0-13-amd64 LLVM 11.0.1) 
  v: 3.3 Mesa 20.3.5 compat-v: 3.1 direct render: Yes 
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 82801H HD Audio vendor: ABIT driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
  bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:284b class-ID: 0403 
  Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.10.0-13-amd64 running: yes 
  Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 14.2 running: yes 
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: ABIT 
  driver: r8169 v: kernel port: 7e00 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168 
  class-ID: 0200 
  IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: ABIT 
  driver: r8169 v: kernel port: be00 bus-ID: 05:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168 
  class-ID: 0200 
  IF: eth1 state: down mac: <filter> 
  Device-3: Qualcomm Atheros AR9271 802.11n type: USB driver: ath9k_htc 
  bus-ID: 4-4.4:5 chip-ID: 0cf3:9271 class-ID: ff00 serial: <filter> 
  IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Cambridge Silicon Radio Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) type: USB 
  driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 5-2:2 chip-ID: 0a12:0001 class-ID: e001 
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 1.1 
  lmp-v: 1.2 sub-v: 639 hci-v: 1.2 rev: 639 
  Info: acl-mtu: 192:8 sco-mtu: 64:8 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff park 
  link-mode: slave accept 
  service-classes: rendering, capturing, object transfer, audio 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 875.64 GiB used: 720.6 GiB (82.3%) 
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required. 
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Patriot model: Burst size: 111.79 GiB 
  block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s type: SSD 
  serial: <filter> rev: 81.2 scheme: MBR 
  ID-2: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 vendor: Hitachi model: HDP725050GLA360 
  size: 465.76 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s 
  type: HDD rpm: 7200 serial: <filter> rev: A5CA scheme: MBR 
  ID-3: /dev/sdc maj-min: 8:32 vendor: Seagate model: ST3320620AS 
  size: 298.09 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 1.5 Gb/s 
  type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: E scheme: MBR 
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 77.08 GiB size: 75.32 GiB (97.72%) used: 19.81 GiB (26.3%) 
  fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2 
  ID-2: /boot raw-size: 512 MiB size: 487.2 MiB (95.16%) used: 101.4 MiB (20.8%) 
  fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1 
Swap:
  Alert: No swap data was found. 
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 72.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 60.0 C 
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:
  Packages: note: see --pkg apt: 2838 lib: 1403 flatpak: 0 
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
  1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
  1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
  2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list 
  1: deb [arch=amd64] https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/megasync.list 
  1: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/meganz-archive-keyring.gpg] https://mega.nz/linux/repo/Debian_11/ ./
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
  1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ bullseye main non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera-stable.list 
  1: deb https://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable non-free #Opera Browser (final releases)
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/signal-xenial-added-by-mxpi.list 
  1: deb [arch=amd64] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/spotify.list 
  1: deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/syncthing.list 
  1: deb https://apt.syncthing.net/ syncthing stable
Info:
  Processes: 246 Uptime: 1h 37m wakeups: 9 Memory: 3.84 GiB 
  used: 2.83 GiB (73.7%) Init: systemd v: 247 runlevel: 5 default: 5 
  tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 clang: 11.0.1-2 
  Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4 running-in: quick-system-info-mx 
  inxi: 3.3.06 
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)
Question. If I wanted to try Antix 4.19 kernel ... I would just install it from MX package installer, then I would update 60+ packages that installer offered.... and upon restart I would choose 4.19 kernel from grub menu? Is that it? Is it safe to do so? Could I break my system this way?

Maybe even @mxuserjohn (original thread's OP) would benefit from answer to this question.

Tnx. Cheers!

EDIT: subject and post edited to accompany @Eadwine Rose's decision to split threads.
Last edited by unnameduser on Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:03 am, edited 4 times in total.

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Re: 19.4 Perfect - 21.1 broken mess

#2 Post by Michael-IDA »

I'll chime in on the increase in memory topic.

I'm still running MX-19. I've had zero software changes in the last ~6 months (I do all testing of software in VMs, so realistically I've had almost no extra software installed to my core system after my initial setup ~2 years ago). I always have open the same apps and same number of tasks per app (35 Kwrite, 25 Konsole tabs, 10 Konqueror, 10 Palemoon tabs, 5 Libreoffice docs/sheets, etc., etc.).

My average memory used has gone from ~2GB to ~6GB (with VirtualBox not running, 40 to 60G w/ but that's not really relevant).

Most of the increase seems to have come from browsers. Palemoon now regularly sucks up 2+G by itself and its CPU usage is much higher. Waterfox seems like it's become an abomination (VIRT 38.7g !? see below.) and I'm not even sure how many child processes it spawns.

Unfortunately I didn't keep track of how many tasks were running on average, but ~450 seems pretty excessive.

I don't have any solutions. I am curious if anyone else sees that average memory used has basically tripled. And if there is any 'fix' for the issue (has new default installed software been added that came in through dist-upgrade?).

Best,
Michael

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System:    Kernel: 4.19.0-20-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 
           parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.19.0-20-amd64 
           root=UUID=<filter> ro 
           Desktop: Trinity R14.0.11 tk: Qt 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin 3.0 vt: 7 
           dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: MX-19.4_x64 patito feo May 31  2020 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: ASRock model: X470 Taichi serial: <filter> 
           UEFI: American Megatrends v: P1.50 date: 07/03/2018 
CPU:       Info: 8-Core model: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen+ 
           family: 17 (23) model-id: 8 stepping: 2 microcode: 800820B cache: L2: 4 MiB 
           flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm 
           bogomips: 118390 
           Speed: 1942 MHz min/max: 2200/3700 MHz boost: enabled Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1942 
           2: 2028 3: 2197 4: 2192 5: 2197 6: 2198 7: 2199 8: 2198 9: 2200 10: 2206 11: 2034 
           12: 2027 13: 1999 14: 1902 15: 2186 16: 2187 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected 
           Type: l1tf status: Not affected 
           Type: mds status: Not affected 
           Type: meltdown status: Not affected 
           Type: spec_store_bypass 
           mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp 
           Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
           Type: spectre_v2 
           mitigation: Retpolines, IBPB: conditional, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling 
           Type: srbds status: Not affected 
           Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 6GB] vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: nvidia 
           v: 418.211.00 bus-ID: 2e:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:1c03 class-ID: 0300 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: loaded: nvidia 
           unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv display-ID: :0 screens: 1 
           Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 101 s-size: 483x272mm (19.0x10.7") 
           s-diag: 554mm (21.8") 
           Monitor-1: HDMI-0 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 102 size: 476x268mm (18.7x10.6") 
           diag: 546mm (21.5") 
           OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 1060 6GB/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 418.211.00 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: NVIDIA GP106 High Definition Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 2e:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:10f1 class-ID: 0403 
           Device-2: AMD Family 17h HD Audio vendor: ASRock driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
           bus-ID: 30:00.3 chip-ID: 1022:1457 class-ID: 0403 
           Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k4.19.0-20-amd64 running: yes 
           Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 12.2 running: yes 
Network:   Device-1: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168NGW [Stone Peak] driver: iwlwifi v: kernel 
           modules: wl port: e000 bus-ID: 27:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:24fb class-ID: 0280 
           IF: wlan0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Intel I211 Gigabit Network vendor: ASRock driver: igb v: 5.4.0-k port: d000 
           bus-ID: 2a:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:1539 class-ID: 0200 
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
Bluetooth: Device-1: Intel type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-9:2 chip-ID: 8087:0aa7 
           class-ID: e001 
           Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 2.1 lmp-v: 4.2 
           sub-v: 1100 hci-v: 4.2 rev: 1100 
           Info: acl-mtu: 1021:4 sco-mtu: 96:6 link-policy: rswitch sniff 
           link-mode: slave accept service-classes: rendering, capturing 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 11.83 TiB used: 10.24 TiB (86.6%) 
           SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required. 
           ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Samsung model: SSD 970 EVO 1TB 
           size: 931.51 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 
           type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 2B2QEXE7 scheme: GPT 
           ID-2: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: MediaMax model: WL6000GSA6457 size: 5.46 TiB 
           block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: HDD rpm: 5700 
           serial: <filter> rev: 0A82 
           ID-3: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 vendor: MediaMax model: WL6000GSA6457 size: 5.46 TiB 
           block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: HDD rpm: 5700 
           serial: <filter> rev: 0A80 
Partition: ID-1: / raw-size: 49.98 GiB size: 48.95 GiB (97.93%) used: 13.12 GiB (26.8%) fs: ext4 
           dev: /dev/dm-0 maj-min: 253:0 mapped: rootfs 
           ID-2: /boot raw-size: 512 MiB size: 487.9 MiB (95.30%) used: 162.3 MiB (33.3%) 
           fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2 maj-min: 259:2 
           ID-3: /boot/efi raw-size: 256 MiB size: 252 MiB (98.46%) used: 378 KiB (0.1%) 
           fs: vfat dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 maj-min: 259:1 
           ID-4: /home raw-size: 878.75 GiB size: 863.95 GiB (98.32%) used: 213.84 GiB (24.8%) 
           fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1 maj-min: 253:1 mapped: homefs 
Swap:      Kernel: swappiness: 10 (default 60) cache-pressure: 50 (default 100) 
           ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 1.98 GiB used: 40 MiB (2.0%) priority: -2 
           dev: /dev/dm-2 maj-min: 253:2 mapped: swapfs 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 35.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nvidia temp: 37 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nvidia fan: 0% 
Repos:     Packages: note: see --pkg apt: 2812 lib: 1421 flatpak: 0 
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/mx/repo/ buster main non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera-stable.list 
           1: deb https://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinitydesktop.org.list 
           1: deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x buster main
           2: deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x buster main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
           1: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian buster contrib
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vivaldi.list 
           1: deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.vivaldi.com/stable/deb/ stable main
Info:      Processes: 461 Uptime: 18d 3h 35m wakeups: 1 Memory: 62.9 GiB used: 7.02 GiB (11.2%) 
           Init: SysVinit v: 2.93 runlevel: 5 default: 5 tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 
           alt: 8 Shell: quick-system-in default: Bash v: 5.0.3 running-in: quick-system-in 
           inxi: 3.3.06 

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# top -n1 -o %MEM
top - 22:21:47 up 18 days,  3:22,  1 user,  load average: 0.35, 0.39, 0.37
Tasks: 454 total,   1 running, 453 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s):  0.7 us,  1.5 sy,  0.7 ni, 97.0 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 st
MiB Mem :  64411.1 total,  17396.5 free,   6722.2 used,  40292.4 buff/cache
MiB Swap:   2032.0 total,   1992.0 free,     40.0 used.  57111.0 avail Mem

  PID USER      PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU  %MEM     TIME+ COMMAND
  960 michael   23   3   10.9g   2.0g 113516 S  12.5   3.1 618:37.69 palemoon
32288 michael   24   4 4337920 623576 235872 S   0.0   0.9  55:09.44 firefox.real
32417 michael   24   4 9550112 414360  74888 S   0.0   0.6   4:42.03 WebExtensions
 4079 root      20   0  539172 386568  80964 S   6.2   0.6 248:38.19 Xorg
20341 michael   20   0 3643288 376004 186884 S   0.0   0.6   3:53.79 waterfox-g3
 5189 michael   20   0 2294740 320784  73416 S   0.0   0.5  15:13.43 soffice.bin
 5077 michael   20   0 1207236 278384  39460 S   0.0   0.4  17:02.86 kmail
20453 michael   20   0   38.7g 263912  66984 S   0.0   0.4   0:34.52 WebExtensions
20397 michael   20   0 2707956 240644 162624 S   0.0   0.4   0:39.57 Web Content
19750 michael   24   4 2851136 228572 102992 S   0.0   0.3   5:01.84 Web Content
 3033 michael   24   4 2718960 221184  96588 S   0.0   0.3   0:31.30 Web Content
11237 michael   24   4 2629928 202776  95512 S   0.0   0.3   0:02.63 Web Content
26419 michael   24   4 2613952 195168  93140 S   0.0   0.3   0:06.86 Web Content
16350 michael   24   4 2611904 187088  94432 S   0.0   0.3   0:12.54 Web Content
32578 michael   24   4 2653976 165996  86744 S   0.0   0.3   2:12.95 Web Content
21491 michael   20   0 2592116 152196  89044 S   6.2   0.2   2:49.82 Web Content
22999 michael   20   0 2624108 139784  75940 S   0.0   0.2   0:33.87 Web Content
10910 michael   20   0 2547064 122816  90044 S   0.0   0.2   2:32.30 Web Content
32479 michael   24   4 2515964 121680  69972 S   0.0   0.2   0:47.13 Privileged Cont
23038 michael   20   0 2573708 115384  49248 S   0.0   0.2   0:23.97 Web Content
10196 michael   20   0 2534620 101584  52692 S   0.0   0.2   0:30.49 Web Content
 6986 michael   20   0 2515096  95856  53540 S   0.0   0.1   0:22.53 Web Content
 
 I was really curious what was wanting 38G :
 # ps -p 20453 -F
UID        PID  PPID  C    SZ   RSS PSR STIME TTY          TIME CMD
michael  20453 20341  0 10142793 264172 12 Apr13 ?     00:00:34 /usr/lib/waterfox-g3/waterfox-g3 -contentproc -childID 2 -isForBrowser -prefsLen 44
michael@local [~]#                         
NIH Cancer Study: The group supplemented with both vitamins and fenbendazole exhibited significant (P = 0.009) inhibition of tumor growth.
The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck...
... is the day they make a vacuum cleaner.

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Michael-IDA
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Re: 19.4 Perfect - 21.1 broken mess

#3 Post by Michael-IDA »

unnameduser wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:34 pm 2. Only today, Opera made my system almost freeze few times.
That's fairly fixable. Just add nice to the Opera menu launcher. Using waterfox as an example:

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waterfox-g3 %u
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nice -n 5 waterfox-g3 %u
Opera will still 'hang' but it won't freeze your system anymore.
NIH Cancer Study: The group supplemented with both vitamins and fenbendazole exhibited significant (P = 0.009) inhibition of tumor growth.
The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck...
... is the day they make a vacuum cleaner.

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Re: 19.4 Perfect - 21.1 broken mess

#4 Post by figueroa »

m_pav wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:10 am Before I say anything else, I have to agree 100% with those who say update your BIOS, do not neglect this step.

My Lenovo with a 6th gen Intel processor hates all the 5.xx series kernels so I created a MX-21.1 build for myself with 2 kernels on the ISO, the standard 5.xx modern kernel and a legacy 4.19 kernel. Either kernel can be chosen at boot.

You can do this yourself with a fully featured Live USB created with our Live USB Maker. Boot to a live session, install the legacy kernel, remaster the Live USB and if it all goes well, boot into MX-21 on the next run using the Legacy kernel to see if it makes a difference.
Note: After installing the kernel(s) that you want on your custom live-usb, and remastering, and rebooting, be sure to then use the live-usb kernel updater tool to transfer the kernel(s) you want from the running live-usb to where the live-usb can boot from. I know that sounds confusing, but the live-usb does not boot from the running /boot directory -- trust me.
Andy Figueroa
Using Unix from 1984; GNU/Linux from 1993

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m_pav
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Re: 19.4 Perfect - 21.1 broken mess

#5 Post by m_pav »

@figueroa thanks for your clarification, I had forgotten to mention that.

I went a different route to build mine and it worked fine, but for most people, the live remaster and kernel updater method is the best way to achieve a live USB with dual kernels.

Basically it's a 3-step process,
1) boot live, install the desired kernel (and/or remove) whatever you want, run the live remaster process and reboot.
2) reboot into your remastered live USB, use the kernel updater to switch kernels, run the live kernel updater, and remaster a 2nd time.
3) boot live again and you should be running the kernel you just installed.
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Re: My MX17 and MX19 perfect broken, both more or less

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moderator: @unnameduser Apologizing for thread hijacking does not give you permission to do so. Please don't do it again, thanks. This is your topic now.

Any people who were replying to the OP, please reply to that thread once more, it is too much work to weed out what goes where. Thanks.
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Re: My MX17 and MX19 perfect broken, both more or less

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Eadwine Rose wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:27 am moderator: @unnameduser Apologizing for thread hijacking does not give you permission to do so. Please don't do it again, thanks. This is your topic now.

Any people who were replying to the OP, please reply to that thread once more, it is too much work to weed out what goes where. Thanks.
It was not just an apology. (It was partly! an apology!) I explained why I did so. And I'd do it again.
You moderators have to decide. Sometimes you encourage users to open their own thread altho' it's very relevant in current topic. On other occasions, you close some threads because it's a "duplicate" of someone's post, when actually it isn't - it's just related.
The same decision problems you have with resurrecting OLD threads. Sometimes you complain about it, on another occasions you revert to an old post... so this new one is duplicate, hence closed. And sometimes even you (mods and developers) resurrect old threads. Decide, please! Till then, I will do as I see fit in any particular situation - as you do. :cool:

But this is OFF-topic, so please don't respond to my digression if you don't have anything to add about my original post & topic of this thread. Tnx! :happy:

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Re: 19.4 Perfect - 21.1 broken mess

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Michael-IDA wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:05 am
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waterfox-g3 %u
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nice -n 5 waterfox-g3 %u
Opera will still 'hang' but it won't freeze your system anymore.
Thank you for this one!
But, I did not experience that huge RAM usage on MX19.. and did't have any freezes prior to MX21. So, in my opinion, something fishy is going on on my system after fresh "upgrade".

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Re: My MX17 and MX19 perfect broken, both more or less

#9 Post by wdscharff »

Simple question, simple answer: What program do you use to display the Ram resources?

inxi, as well as e.g. Conky and the xfce task manager use the same source, and indicate a significantly higher consumption than free, htop and ps_mem.py.
On a computer with only 4GB, this sounds terrible when expressed as a percentage.
After a cold start, almost 3x as much megabyte, doesn't sound any better. My computer has 32gbm so it doesn't matter in percentage terms whether it "consumes" 300mb or 850mb, but three times as much, that sounds bad.

But what is true and annoying is that the resources are displayed incorrectly in the usual tools (neofetch, glances and spacer also show much too high values).

You can artificially reduce the available RAM via boot parameters, I did this once for another test. Programs that previously consumed 2.2GB according to conky, inxi, neofetch, etc, etc, then ran in 2GB. According to ps_mem.py, they "only" needed 1.8G. Without cache, the box crashed as expected when I started rawtherapee in addition to four times Xterminal, Firefox, deadbeef, qmplay2 ... ;-}

This seems to be distribution independent, I had gecko (opensuse fork) installed until recently and currently mint and ubuntu, all with 5xx kernels show this behaviour (at least on my amd system).


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Re: My MX17 and MX19 perfect broken, both more or less

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wdscharff wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:22 am Simple question, simple answer: What program do you use to display the Ram resources?
Conky (memperc) - 62%
htop - 2.10G/3.84G (that is 54%)
quite a difference. You are right! But both are excessive IMO.

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