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How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:51 am
by GlockdocVegas
I currently have TB68 installed, which is the latest version in the stable repo. 91 is available in the Flatpacks, but this just does a 2nd install, not an upgrade.
How can I upgrade to 91? Do I have to wait til it trickles down or is there a way to upgrade without a 2nd install?
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Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:19 am
by manyroads
You can download and drop the new version of T'bird in your user or system space (basically perform something similar to a barebones install). Be aware: such things are discouraged in Debian based systems.... and all future updates will be manual. Not a big deal (to me) but manual nonetheless. (FWIW: I find v 78 just fine; it is in the MX21 repos....)
See:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/in ... bird-linux
https://wiki.debian.org/Thunderbird
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:21 am
by Eadwine Rose
Also in the 19 ones, test tab in MXPI.
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:23 am
by monk
I hope that I can ask a question so as not to open a new topic?
I have a question regarding updates/upgrades of Thunderbird. Currently I have the version 68.12.0. The latest version is somewhere around 91.
I personally don't care about the look etc.. One speaks nevertheless always, that one should make updates because of the security and error removal.
Does this not apply to Linux systems? I just always do the updates that are imported from Debian. I can't find version 78 in the repos, even though I updated the list.
Maybe someone from the Linux specialists can give me some clarification?
Thanks
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:32 am
by GlockdocVegas
monk wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:23 am
I hope that I can ask a question so as not to open a new topic?
I have a question regarding updates/upgrades of Thunderbird. Currently I have the version 68.12.0. The latest version is somewhere around 91.
I personally don't care about the look etc.. One speaks nevertheless always, that one should make updates because of the security and error removal.
Does this not apply to Linux systems? I just always do the updates that are imported from Debian. I can't find version 78 in the repos, even though I updated the list.
Maybe someone from the Linux specialists can give me some clarification?
Thanks
It appears we have to wait until 91 makes it's way downstream to us.
Manyroads solution doesn't get updates.
I have NO IDEA what Rose's comment even means.............
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:08 am
by Eadwine Rose
It was a reply to manyroads, which means when you open MXPI in MX19 and go to the test tab, that version he mentioned is available there.
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:10 am
by GlockdocVegas
Eadwine Rose wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:08 am
It was a reply to manyroads, which means when you open MXPI in MX19 and go to the test tab, that version he mentioned is available there.
Oh, ok. My post was about 91, not 78. Explains my confusion.
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:16 am
by monk
thank you for your answer. But that still explains my question in terms of security. Above in the post you have already mentioned that you just have to wait until the latest version 91 is available. Then you don't have to worry about the security of Thunderbird with old versions in Debian, right?
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:49 pm
by CharlesV
According to the thunderbird release notes for 91, there are several bugs that are fixed that affect linux systems.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/ ... sa2021-36/
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:55 pm
by Buck Fankers
monk wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:16 am
Currently I have the version 68.12.0
But that still explains my question in terms of security. ... Then you don't have to worry about the security of Thunderbird with old versions in Debian, right?
Well, for starter, if you look in tab: "MX Test Repo" of MX Package Installer, you will see there is version: 2:78.14 which is newer than what you currently have. But of course, not the newest. For newest stuff, you would need some other Linux version, typically based on Arch or other rolling distros. Problem is, (in my opinion) those are not that suitable for users with less Linux knowledge like me. (and I'm assuming like you, if you had to ask this question)
I'm running Manjaro, but just for fun on a side. You should read their forum for potential problems before every system upgrade, since sometimes something goes wrong at upgrade. Debian gives you stability. I LOVE stability and I don't care for older versions. Although MX many times offers you newer versions than many other Debian based distros. So you have some kind of compromise.
About security. I don't use Thunderbird, since there is safer email version, Claws. It is in MXPI. Why is more secure? Since it does not allow HTML and other script like stuff executing in email body. Means, you only have ugly simple text. No icons, smileys, jumping pepperonis etc...
I like it that way. Safer. I don't care how it looks. It does the job. Check it out, if it is not too restrictive for you.
https://www.claws-mail.org/
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:06 pm
by CharlesV
you do not *have* to switch from MX linux to have newer software. It IS always possible to work the latest in, just not through the more stable repos. ( you should be asking the question DO you want to leave the more stable debian / MX Linux repos ( in my opinion!)
As for thunderbird, there are many security provisions and by *properly* using it it is safe. Far safer then most email clients ( again - in my opinion!)
As manyroads mentioned, you can install thunderbird 91, it just has to be downloaded and added to the system. Once it is installed, then it needs to be maintained outside of the mx repos.
Again, read the release notes and see if you believe it is warranted to move up from version 78.
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:15 pm
by figueroa
Unless you want to pick up the pieces of a broken system, use the latest stable version for the distribution you are using. Otherwise, plan on a trail of endless grief.
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:15 pm
by Stuart_M
Buck Fankers wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:55 pm
About security. I don't use Thunderbird, since there is safer email version, Claws. It is in MXPI. Why is more secure? Since it does not allow HTML and other script like stuff executing in email body. Means, you only have ugly simple text. No icons, smileys, jumping pepperonis etc...
Thunderbird 68.12.0 can do that and more - it allows an email to not only be displayed as Plain Text but also Original HTML and Simple HTML by going to View > Message Body As > then select one of the three options as shown in the below image:
Thunderbird_Message_Body_Select.png
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:26 am
by GlockdocVegas
Installing from the test repo did upgrade to 78. I will have to wait for 91 to trickle down.
You can block all of those scary things mentioned by Buck in Thunderbird and still have all the other features. Security and features.
So the answer to my original question is still "you can't, you have to wait, unless you want to install it manually and do manual updates.".
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:53 am
by SwampRabbit
GlockdocVegas wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:26 am
So the answer to my original question is still "you can't, you have to wait.".
That’s not exactly true, it was already stated that you can manually install 91 in several posts.
But if you want it in the repos, yeah you’re gonna have to wait for it to be possibly packaged, tested, then uploaded. Please, Remember unpaid volunteers do all this for you in their spare time.
FWIW: 91 is in Debian Experimental only. Same goes for the Buntu families.
Re: How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 91
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:09 am
by GlockdocVegas
SwampRabbit wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:53 am
GlockdocVegas wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:26 am
So the answer to my original question is still "you can't, you have to wait.".
That’s not exactly true, it was already stated that you can manually install 91 in several posts.
But if you want it in the repos, yeah you’re gonna have to wait for it to be possibly packaged, tested, then uploaded. Please, Remember unpaid volunteers do all this for you in their spare time.
FWIW: 91 is in Debian Experimental only. Same goes for the Buntu families.
Not complaining at all =)