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How to update to Plasma 5.22?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:50 pm
by stevedude
I just started using the MX Linux KDE version and I recently read that Plasma 5.22 was released. How does that work with MX Linux in terms of will we see an update come through the regular update manager?

If yes, what kind of time frame will this occur?

Thanks

Re: How to update to Plasma 5.22?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:56 pm
by jeffreyC
Read this:

viewtopic.php?f=100&t=59398

Note that it is unofficial and unsupported, if you do it the only help you will get will be from this thread.

Debian Bullseye and MX-21 which will be based on it will not have Plasma 5.22.

Re: How to update to Plasma 5.22?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:04 pm
by Stevo
KDE Neon would be one of your best choices...

Re: How to update to Plasma 5.22?

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:12 pm
by stevedude
I tried the suggestion (Blog found at https://www.preining.info/blog/2021/06/ ... or-debian/)

Even though I imported the key that is provided with this article, when I update, I get a Public Key Error.

Bummer, I love MX Linux, just wanted to get a new shiny DE.

Re: How to update to Plasma 5.22?

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:28 pm
by JayM
You have two choices: stable distros like MX Linux or "new shiny" bleeding-edge rolling-release distros. Read "Don't Break Debian" in my signature. There's a section in it about "Shiny New Stuff Syndrome" that's relevant to the topic.

Edit: actually three choices: wait patiently for Plasma 5.22 to make its way into Debian Stable some day. Meanwhile also wait patiently for MX-21 KDE to be released and you'll have Plasma 5.20.5 (probably as that's what comes with Debian Bullseye. MX Devs may possibly decide to use a different version but if so it likely won't be the most recently-released version which might contain unknown bugs or regressions.)

Re: How to update to Plasma 5.22?

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:04 pm
by asqwerth
A search of the forum would have found lots of threads about why one could not have post plasma 5.14 versions on Debian buster. They require newer qt versions that cannot be introduced into buster without breaking every other qt app that relies on the buster version of qt.

That thread about experimental latest plasma requires you to be on Debian Unstable. That's essentially a rolling distro you have to maintain yourself. It is not supported here officially since it's no longer actual mx19.

ADDED:
I get my early look into the latest plasma on my KDE Neon Dev Edition and Artix installs. I don't mess with my MX installs.

Re: How to update to Plasma 5.22?

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:07 am
by MAYBL8
@stevedude
Post your problem in the post given to you along with your QSI and we can help you if you still want to try to use 5.22.

Re: How to update to Plasma 5.22?

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:03 am
by Solon
stevedude wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:12 pm I tried the suggestion (Blog found at https://www.preining.info/blog/2021/06/ ... or-debian/)

Even though I imported the key that is provided with this article, when I update, I get a Public Key Error.

Bummer, I love MX Linux, just wanted to get a new shiny DE.
When I was looking to replace Win 7 with a Distro, I did a lot of research. One of the most interesting charts on Distro's you will ever see is fully updated and on WIKI. You can find it on this WIKI page, top right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_L ... tributions. Along the top is shown the Year and you can track down to find out the launch date of a Distro. Also, any Distro's that use features of another Distro are connected with a vertical dashed line (about which more later).

What you will notice (after you blow it up so you can actually read it) is that (leaving out the small independents) there are essentially 4 branches to Linux. While the kernel is basically the same, the branches have to do with how the Package Managers work (I think!). Anyway, leaving out Gentoo, the four main branches one hears about all the time are:
  • Slackware
  • Debian -- [Ubuntu] + [Knoppix]
  • Red Hat -- [Fedora]
  • Arch
You will note that Debian is by far the largest, with the largest number of packages (59,000 per WIKI). However, the Distro's inside Debian have distinctions. To give a very basic overview, Ubuntu is got all the training wheels, lack of choices (and bloat) of Windows. However it is very safe to use. On the other hand, Debian, YES, just plain 'old Debian, https://www.debian.org/ can be downloaded as an OS all by itself! If you do so, there are NO training wheels whatsoever, and you have a lot of choices, including stick with 'stable', or try a bunch of other things, along with almost any desktop you choose.

MX Linux didn't get started until 2013, so scroll to the right on the main Debian line and you will find eventually between Q4OS and Tanglu. Note however, that there is a strong red dashed line leading down from MX Linux, and it goes down to MEPIS and antiX, both of which started much earlier and are integrated into MX Linux.

I picked MX Linux because it had access to the offerings and stability of Debian, but it did not come with the bloat and Windows-like straight-jacket of Ubuntu. However, my research revealed that MX does have 'walls' around its offerings, because they place a premium on stability. This is the trade-off that we accept when we come to MX.

If you are looking for more adventure, then just plain 'old Debian might be for you. You can stay stable, or go further into the wild-side as you wish. It truly is a Pandora's Box of options.

However, if you really build up your Linux 'muscles' and want to tackle the most cutting-edge system out there, Arch Linux is the place to go. Most of the YouTube reviewers, who work in IT, experiment with gaming on Linux machines and are the most knowledgeable in general gravitate to Arch over time because the options and flexibility are unparalleled. The most 'stable' version and best supported Distro in Arch for the more normal person is known as Manjaro. It gets very good reviews, however, if you make a mistake while using Manjaro, you had better be good at Linux to correct the problem.

I personally gave real thought to going straight to Debian, or even Manjaro, but in the end I felt it best to commence my Linux journey with MX, which considering my overall ignorance and lack of experience just seemed to have the correct balance.

I would point out to you that with all of these Distro's you can make a 'Live' USB of any Distro, then plug it in on boot-up and give a different Distro a try. Might be fun for you, as you can learn more about Linux like me, as we go along.

Re: How to update to Plasma 5.22?

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:19 am
by JayM
Ubuntu is not a Debian distro, it's pretty much a completely separate distro like Arch and Fedora are. About the only thing it has in common with Debian is it uses .deb packaging. Other that that it uses elements from Buster, Bullseye and Sid plus stuff written especially for Ubuntu to create a customized FrankenDebian. I suppose you could say it's a Debian-like distro but it certainly isn't a Debian Stable distro by any means.

Re: How to update to Plasma 5.22?

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:53 pm
by Stevo
If you just want to spin the wheels on a shiny new interface, you could no doubt run Sid or Neon in Virtualbox on a reasonably powerful machine.