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[Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:15 pm
by agnivo007
This past week Debian 11 "Bullseye" embarked on its hard freeze in gearing up for release later this year.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... ard-Freeze

Bits from the Release Team: frozen hard to get hot
Hi all,

According to schedule, we froze bullseye a bit more last week (12-03-2021). This means that we are one step closer to the release of bullseye and we expect everyone to follow the freeze policy [1]. This means that from now on key packages and packages without significant autopkgtest coverage need to be unblocked by the release team to be able to migrate from unstable to testing. If you need to request an unblock, check that your request is in line with the freeze policy and use $(reportbug release.debian.org) in order to get the meta data correct and get the template that helps us get the right information.

Note that packages that are not on the key-packages list, with non-superficial autopkgtests that succeed on all architectures and don't cause regressions will migrate without an unblock after 20 days. If
you're unsure about the current migration status of your package, you can check it at [3].

Now is a good time to help testing installations and upgrades to find as many issues as possible and fix rc bugs [4]. Please be aware of bug 984533 (libc6), 974552 (libcrypt1) and 953562 (libcrypt1) when you do. Add information to those bug if you can help them forward.

Please also remember to file bugs against the release-notes pseudo package if you know of issues that deserve being mentioned in the release notes. Ideally with proposed text, or even via a merge request on salsa [2], but even if you can only point us at issues that's already appreciated.

On behalf of the Release Team,
Paul
Looks like things are rolling fine till date apart from some basic bugs lying unfixed for long... awaiting official release later this year!

Re: Debian 11.0 Is Now Under A Hard Freeze

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:19 am
by agnivo007
Got the official Debian 10.9 updates earlier today.

Bullseye currently has 102 release-critical bugs (down from >200 at start) as of now, good progress!
LINK

Re: Debian 11.0 Is Now Under A Hard Freeze

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:11 pm
by pianokeyjoe
WOW! Is all I can say guys! Well, I am sure looking forward to the Debian future! And above all, the MX LINUX future! Are there any RC iso files for MX 21 out there?

Re: Debian 11.0 Is Now Under A Hard Freeze

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:17 pm
by dolphin_oracle
pianokeyjoe wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:11 pm WOW! Is all I can say guys! Well, I am sure looking forward to the Debian future! And above all, the MX LINUX future! Are there any RC iso files for MX 21 out there?
not yet. I may or may not be running an early pre-alpha build now.

we usually do closed alphas, and public betas.

Re: Debian 11.0 Is Now Under A Hard Freeze

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:37 pm
by pianokeyjoe
@dolphin_oracle Ah ok, thankyou. I have been checking often for any releases, so I will be looking out for the betas.

Re: Debian 11.0 Is Now Under A Hard Freeze

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:01 am
by agnivo007
RC1 is out! https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... llseye-RC1

The bad:
The release announcement does acknowledge the known issue that for the lack of providing the binary-only AMD Radeon graphics firmware many AMD graphics cards may have display issues.

Re: [RC1 is OUT] Debian 11.0 Is Now Under A Hard Freeze

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:03 pm
by agnivo007
Bullseye release notes are quite developed and updated as it seems:
https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/releasenotes

Gave a read through the subsections and looks interesting:
https://www.debian.org/releases/bullsey ... otes/index

Meanwhile we'd be having 10.10 (all clocks read that at the timepiece shops...:lol:)
The next point release for "buster" (10.10) is scheduled for Saturday June 19th. Processing of new uploads into buster-proposed-updates will be frozen during the preceding weekend.

Re: [RC1 is OUT] Debian 11.0 Is Now Under A Hard Freeze

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:49 am
by agnivo007
Fully FROZEN as of 17-7-2021, release expected on 31st!

Hope MX21 is ready too... yes, the wait has been long.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:49 pm
by ceeslans
↑↑
Releasing bullseye on 14 August 2021
...we now have a release date for bullseye: 14 August.
For the avoidance of doubt, this is *not* a tentative date anymore.
Debian-release mailing list:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-release ... 00669.html

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:50 pm
by Stevo
Hopefully for AMD GPU owners, they'll have fixed the 5.10 kernel by then.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:56 pm
by JayM
Are Debian's developers aware of the kernel issue?

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:55 am
by agnivo007
So they fixed 14th Aug finally for release... now, when can we expect to see MX21 test builds?

What I read recently, much of the AMD GPU stuff got fixed I guess...

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:24 am
by Eadwine Rose
MX21 will be ready when it is ready.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:33 am
by agnivo007
Ah! That was :fox:

I'm planning a fresh install on a new HDD, was thinking if I should postpone it for a few weeks and use MX21 or go with the current.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:32 pm
by DistRunner
Now that the next release has been set, will there be any important changes to MX ass well? Also, the buster Debian source seems to have problems with Crossover from some 32-bit libraries, any idea if those bugs will have been fixed?

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:02 am
by SwampRabbit
agnivo007 wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:33 am I'm planning a fresh install on a new HDD, was thinking if I should postpone it for a few weeks and use MX21 or go with the current.
You'd have to go longer than a few weeks, meaning at least MX-21 final is far from a few weeks away.
DistRunner wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:32 pm Now that the next release has been set, will there be any important changes to MX ass well? Also, the buster Debian source seems to have problems with Crossover from some 32-bit libraries, any idea if those bugs will have been fixed?
Different discussion, MX-21 will be based on Bullseye, outside of that :noevil:
Don't see any threads started for the things you mentioned, but if you're having issues with Debian based Buster (MX-19) .... you should start a thread for that.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:11 am
by agnivo007
@SwampRabbit Thanks for the clarification. Is there a master thread for suggestions towards MX21?

Say, I only use and need EN-US locale but find the system installs a lot of files for other languages I'll never use and cannot even read at all. A manual cleanup (localepurge) clears 400MB+ worth of unnecessary locales created by a new installation.

Wonder if it's possible at the installer > advanced options level to set languages for which the locale files are generated on a new installation. One can generate locales later for other languages from MX itself should the need arise.

Who needs unnecessary stuff right from the new installation? I think it's worth a consideration.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:26 am
by SwampRabbit
@agnivo007 what?! you think users get a say in the matter? :smiley2:

No I don't think one was started, then again, we might not be ready for suggestions, I'll let someone else make a statement on that.
Probably this thread isn't the place for it though.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:37 am
by agnivo007
Oh wow! Understood... but I was looking at some new version installer testing/feedback threads where new features were being suggested and tested. Maybe there is one for MXFB21 too.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:41 am
by SwampRabbit
That was a joke if the smiley didn’t give it away.

There were threads for testing the installer I believe, don’t think it was a “feedback/suggestion” thread though, maybe it was just for one or two things if I recall right.

I think any suggestions should wait until official threads are started, I’ll let one of the big dogs make those calls.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:45 am
by agnivo007
@SwampRabbit Yea, I got the feeling but made an act :p Now whether the "big dogs" as you mention would give some space to "small cats" is to be seen! :lol:

Regards to debian, release date drifted by just a month as per its history; now that's quite acceptable.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:47 am
by malspa
agnivo007 wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:33 amI'm planning a fresh install on a new HDD, was thinking if I should postpone it for a few weeks and use MX21 or go with the current.
Debian Buster was released in July 2019, then MX-19 in October 2019. Just to give you an idea of how long you might be waiting. And as I recall, MX-19 was finalized sooner than I was expecting.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:16 am
by agnivo007
Thanks, I'll manually move my current install to a new HDD for the time being (no snapshot etc).

My personal conviction is that MX21 might release sooner than October 2021. Let's see if I get a surprise birthday present in September... ;)

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:22 am
by Bamber
What's the rush? 9_9
MX-19 is working fine and MX-21 won't be a revolution (at least I hope not) only an evolution.
I don't mind waiting until January if that guarantees stability and polish.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:08 pm
by DistRunner
@SwampRabbit No, its a general question about the next release, in relation to the changes in Bullseye. The 32-bit libraries part asks if there is any information regarding the Bullseye release per the problem in Buster.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:16 pm
by SwampRabbit
DistRunner wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:08 pm @SwampRabbit No, its a general question about the next release, in relation to the changes in Bullseye. The 32-bit libraries part asks if there is any information regarding the Bullseye release per the problem in Buster.
Again, MX-21 will be based on Bullseye, that’s all that’s getting out. Any other changes apart from Bullseye that are MX specific will be announced when we announce a Beta or whatever.

The 32-bit libraries issue, well you’d have to see if it affects Bullseye too. It’s a vague question, side jacking a unrelated thread. If you’d have to post what the specific issue is so that someone could compare against Bullseye. We’re not fixing 32-bit library issues in MX-21 that affect MX-19 that I am aware of, especially if it’s an upstream issue.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:50 pm
by Eadwine Rose
And while you're side jacking, please don't do that, and open your own post specifically related to your issue.

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:08 pm
by uncle mark
Bamber wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:22 am What's the rush? 9_9
MX-19 is working fine and MX-21 won't be a revolution (at least I hope not) only an evolution.
I don't mind waiting until January if that guarantees stability and polish.
Seconded. I'll load MX21 on my playtoy laptops, but my workaday MX19 KDE install on my daily driver is doing everything I ask of it and doing it flawlessly. Why would I want to mess with that?

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:45 pm
by az2020
Bamber wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:22 am What's the rush? 9_9
MX-19 is working fine and MX-21 won't be a revolution (at least I hope not) only an evolution.
I don't mind waiting until January if that guarantees stability and polish.
I agree. I like MX's stability. I got nervous about the ahs distro, that it might blur the stability focus. (I have a Ryzen 5/Vega 8 which benefited from ahs. I'd be running something else if no ahs. But, it only worked in 19.2. Then stopped working in .3 & .4. I "have to" (not that it's bad) install 19.2 ahs, then system update to get to 19.4. Not bad at all. But, that instability in ahs made me nervous about how bright the line is between ahs and non-ahs. I hope the non continues to be stable as a brick. I could do 19.2 ahs for a long time.

[EDIT: I replied to the wrong post. I changed the quote to the post I intended. Sorry.]

Re: [Release Imminent] Debian 11 Bullseye

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:56 am
by agnivo007
Now, I'm using AHS on my age old HP thin client potato box for some stuff I need that's not found in regular builds... running great for months so far.