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No notes editor? [Solved]

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:38 pm
by danielson
Sure, we can always add extensions to browsers in order to access Microsoft notes or Google Keep ones, but what about a separate note editor for MX KDE?

Simplenote has been a staple for many years and it is nowhere to be found.

Joplin, CherryTree and Zim are making the headlines but none of these are on MX Package Installer... hum!

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Update: [Solved] 'cause CherryTree (as per post in this thread) is effectively in repo.

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:31 pm
by marex
I was already asking to add Joplin to MX repo couple of times with no avail. It is currently the best open source notepad in the market. Especially when it comes to work on many different operating systems. It is fantastic to have all the notes available on Linux, iPhone and Windows at the same time.

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:35 pm
by pierrelepetitsuisse
Cherrytree needs a dependency which is not in Buster's repositories.

What I did to install Cherrytree in BunsenLabs (It should also work in MX Linux):

1) Edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list: Add this:

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#Added this temporarily to get [cherrytree+python-gtksourceview2/python-appindicator] working
deb http://debian.saix.net/ stretch main #Added this temporarily - should be set to your closest mirror
Then:

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sudo apt update
2) Install wget and Cherrytree dependencies.

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sudo apt install wget python-dbus python-chardet python-enchant libcanberra-gtk-module libgtksourceview2.0-0 libgtksourceview2.0-common python-cairo python-gobject-2 python-gtk2 python-numpy
3) Download python-gtksourceview2.

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wget http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pygtksourceview/python-gtksourceview2_2.10.1-3_amd64.deb
4) Install python-gtksourceview2.

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sudo dpkg -i python-gtksourceview2_2.10.1-3_amd64.deb
5) Maybe you also need to install this:

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sudo apt install -y python-gtksourceview2 libgtksourceview2.0-0 libgtksourceview2.0-common
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sudo apt update
6) Dowload the .deb from https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/

Open terminal in the Download folder and:

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sudo dpkg -i cherrytree_0.39.4-0_all.deb
7) Edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list: Remove Stretch's repository (the lines we added in step 1).

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sudo apt update

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:47 pm
by danielson
@pierrelepetitsuisse - Do have much respect for CherryTree and i'm sure what you posted will be greatly appreciated.

But i've been a long time SimpleNote user (actually CintaNotes which syncs to S.N.) and do have an inclination to Joplin (especially since it too has Android capabilities just as S.N. does), so i do hope to hear similar reports on how to get either of these working with MX KDE.

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:49 pm
by sunrat
danielson wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:38 pm Joplin, CherryTree and Zim are making the headlines but none of these are on MX Package Installer... hum!
Zim is in the Debian repos so definitely installable in MX. Try Synaptic if you can't find it in MXPI. I use it a lot and it is excellent.

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:12 pm
by anticapitalista

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:13 pm
by Jerry3904
Isn't cherry tree in the MX test repo? On my phone ATM, can't check.

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:13 pm
by Jerry3904
Oops, anti is ahead of me by 3 ms

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:23 pm
by Buck Fankers
danielson wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:47 pm ...and do have an inclination to Joplin (especially since it too has Android capabilities just as S.N. does), so i do hope to hear similar reports on how to get either of these working with MX KDE.
Just curious, if you tried their preferred way of install, posted on their guthub? (just to be on a safe side, create snapshot before you do)

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wget -O - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/laurent22/joplin/master/Joplin_install_and_update.sh | bash


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If it works with your distribution (it has been tested on Ubuntu, Fedora, and Mint; the desktop environments supported are GNOME, KDE, Xfce, MATE, LXQT, LXDE, Unity, Cinnamon, Deepin and Pantheon), the recommended way is to use this script as it will handle the desktop icon too
https://github.com/laurent22/joplin

Impressive stats, almost 18,000 stars on github and 273 contributors. MIT licence. Code is frequently being updated. This one, looks like, has a future. Thanks for mentioning it.

I'm using Cherry Tree and I'm at the age, when it is too hard to learn new tricks, but I may give it a look also.

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:34 pm
by danielson
Just spotted now CherryTree in stable repo.
Probably just did a quick check at basic "popular applications".

@Buck Fankers - like you, it's hard to learn new tricks.
Was always hoping CintaNotes could work with WineTricks someday.
But that looks like it ain't going to happen anytime soon.

Joplin is my next bet, especially since it is free across the board.
Have tested it a bit. Just not enough to make it my default.

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:55 pm
by Buck Fankers
danielson wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:34 pm Joplin is my next bet, especially since it is free across the board.
Have tested it a bit. Just not enough to make it my default.
Yeah, I wouldn't tie my daily driver on some windows app running through emulator. Too easy to stop working at some point.

So, looks like, Joplin is working for you now? (as plan B). Great!

Just in case and for anyone else interested, I saw in this video (at 4min mark) there is also available appimage. This one is the easiest to use/run, no install needed, just download, set it as executable file (that's standard procedure for appimages) and you can start using it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrEJP50R6Fo

As for me, I will pass on Joplin. It is using markdown. I prefer simple text, such as Cherry Tree. Plus I'm also saving snippets of Python code and Cherry Tree recognizes Python syntax. That's all I need :)

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:21 pm
by SwampRabbit
I attempted to package Joplin and didn't get far before I had to focus on other things, Debian doesn't even have it yet, nor Ubuntu, etc, etc.

Its an Electron app... not sure how many people care.

The developer does provide instructions to install.

Re: No notes editor?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:28 am
by wdscharff
I don't care what is preinstalled as long as CherryTree is in the repos :-)
After >10 years of use and around 100mb .ctb/.ctx files I don't change just like that anymore.
If necessary, it also works as a window program under wine. This was my solution before the current version appeared in the testing repo ;-)


Joplin is certainly an interesting, modern alternative, especially when it comes to synchronising on several devices.
I don't need it at the moment, but I'll have a look at it anyway.

Re: No notes editor? [Solved]

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:32 pm
by danielson
Just to confirm that downloading .deb file from SimpleNote.com works fine.

Re: No notes editor? [Solved]

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:23 pm
by masinick
https://www.rapidtables.com/tools/notepad.html
and
https://onlinenotepad.org/notepad
are both online tools, but they are surprisingly responsive, as long as you have decent Internet speed and not too many browser tabs open.
Another one, fairly similar, is https://www.memonotepad.com)

https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/no ... tag/v7.8.8 can download Notepad++, I am SORRY to report that while it is FREE (GNU software), it is built to run on Windows.

Notepadqq IS available if you can build it from git:

https://www.rapidtables.com/tools/notepad.html
and
https://onlinenotepad.org/notepad
are both online tools, but they are surprisingly responsive, as long as you have decent Internet speed and not too many browser tabs open.
Another one, fairly similar, is https://www.memonotepad.com)

https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/no ... tag/v7.8.8 can download Notepad++, I am SORRY to report that while it is FREE (GNU software), it is built to run on Windows.

Notepadqq is available if you can build it fromgit:
https://launchpad.net/~notepadqq-team/+ ... d/14811376
It's intended for Ubuntu; I was able to download these .deb packages and install them on MX Linux using dpkg -i from root:

notepadqq-common_1.4.4-1~xenial1_all.deb
notepadqq_1.4.4-1~xenial1_amd64.deb
notepadqq-gtk_1.4.4-1~xenial1_all.deb

Re: No notes editor? [Solved]

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:52 pm
by SwampRabbit
danielson wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:32 pm Just to confirm that downloading .deb file from SimpleNote.com works fine.
SimpleNote looks pretty but is also an Electron app, that .deb is 50MBs, plus dependencies.... thats pretty large (IMO) for a "simple" not taking application. :frown:

Re: No notes editor? [Solved]

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:17 pm
by masinick
Notepadqq works very well as a note taking application, but the installation may be too daunting for some people.
I just tried Joplin. It was not without its own set of minor issues to overcome. Joplin can be installed as ./Joplin.AppImage in a hidden folder .joplin in your home directory.

If you are interested, see https://joplinapp.org/

wget -O - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/laure ... _update.sh > joplin.bash
./joplin.bash

Re: No notes editor? [Solved]

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:21 pm
by paul1149
I was checking the cherrytree home site a couple of weeks ago, and apparently it has gone open source. It has a github page and is taking pull requests, and apparently a major upgrade of paragraph lists and indents is imminent. This has been my #1 wish for the excellent program.

Re: No notes editor? [Solved]

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:51 pm
by masinick
As of this point, I have Simplenote, Joplin, and Notepadqq installed.
I'm not sure what others expect in their note taking app; for me, I'd want something that invokes virtually immediately and is really easy to copy information to or from the app. In this regard, Notepadqq is the fastest.

I'm a former software engineer; frankly I don't need a notepad because I can use any of the text editors I have installed. However, along with this exercise I installed a very small (78 kb. download) image editor, e3. This editor is small and emulates several editors:
ls -l /usr/bin/e3*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16384 Jan 13 2019 /usr/bin/e3
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2 Jan 13 2019 /usr/bin/e3em -> e3 <--- emacs
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2 Jan 13 2019 /usr/bin/e3ne -> e3 <--- nedit
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2 Jan 13 2019 /usr/bin/e3pi -> e3 <--- pico
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2 Jan 13 2019 /usr/bin/e3vi -> e3 <--- vi
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2 Jan 13 2019 /usr/bin/e3ws -> e3 <--- wordstar

Nano is also installed and it is fast, but it's 246160 vs. the e3 size of 16384.
Also, for those who don't care if the clipboard tool is a notepad or a paste buffer, Leafpad, Mousepad, kedit, gedit, or other editors get the job done too.

I'd be interested to know if there are features of note taking tools not found in these really simple editors - the ones I mentioned have NO complicated behavior like some powerful editors like Emacs or Vi. Cutting and pasting can be done either with mouse clicks or menu Copy/Cut/Paste options.

Re: No notes editor? [Solved]

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:32 pm
by SwampRabbit
paul1149 wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:21 pm I was checking the cherrytree home site a couple of weeks ago, and apparently it has gone open source. It has a github page and is taking pull requests, and apparently a major upgrade of paragraph lists and indents is imminent. This has been my #1 wish for the excellent program.
pretty sure Cherrytree has always been open source

Re: No notes editor? [Solved]

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:22 pm
by paul1149
SwampRabbit wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:32 pm
pretty sure Cherrytree has always been open source
You're most probably right. But I recall many issues being hung up on Giuspen's limited available time, and now it's on github and others are actively working on it, which I think is a great development.