Is the grass greener over there?

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srq2625
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Is the grass greener over there?

#1 Post by srq2625 »

TL;DR - No, the grass is not greener on the other side of the fence. At best, it's just a different shade of green. But, more commonly, MX continues to be the pasture wherein I wish to continue to graze.

I've been an MX user since Jan 2019 and am very happy with the OS. But, I'm always wondering if the grass might not be "greener on the other side of the fence". So, just for grins, I took a look around using DistroWatch to give me an idea of the most "popular" distros. And, yes, I'm aware, it's all about click count over there and not so much popularity but it's a good place to start. Each of the distros I sampled have strengths, but all are missing something when compared to MX Linux.

I have a scrap 320GB disk laying around and decided to have a bit of play:

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Model: Jmicron Corp. (scsi)
Disk /dev/sdf: 320GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt
Disk Flags: pmbr_boot
Now, I want to emphasize that this is not, by any stretch of the imagination, anything approximating a review of any OS. It is, rather, more of a quick survey of the landscape.

This, then, is the disk with the various distributions installed:

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sdf            298.1G 
├─sdf1           512M boot
├─sdf2  swap      16G 
├─sdf3  ext4      20G Linux Mint
├─sdf4  ext4      20G Fedora
├─sdf5  ext4      20G LMDE4
├─sdf6  ext4      20G Sparky LQT
├─sdf7  ext4      20G Devuan
├─sdf8  ext4      20G SolydX
├─sdf9  ext4      20G SolydxK
├─sdf10 ext4      20G 
├─sdf11 btrfs     20G openSuse
├─sdf12 ext4      20G 
├─sdf13 ext4      20G 
├─sdf14 ext4      15G 
├─sdf15 ext4      15G 
├─sdf16 ext4      15G 
└─sdf17 ext4    16.6G 
Here are my thoughts on the above, such as they are:
  • Linux Mint - too close to Ubuntu for my liking. They do a good (very good) job of removing the commercial aspects of Ubuntu, but ... And, it seem a little (very little) laggy when compared to MX and a couple of the others.
  • Fedora - Of all the times I've installed Fedora over the years (probably tried 5 or 6 times), I've never gotten it to install and run without issue. This latest attempt was the best of these attempts, but there was still something that just felt "off".
  • LMDE4 - I've always like LMDE, it's the flavor of Debian upon which I "cut my teeth". And, to be fair, it's a really good offering - very stable, light, quick, etc. But, it's missing some of the golden goodness found in MX and it's always got the stigma of being the red-headed step-child in the LM universe. It just doesn't get the love it deserves.
  • Sparky - I created the label and it should have been LXQT, but I mis-typed and I'm too lazy to go back and fix it. Didn't feel the joy and, I may have not delved into it far enough to become completely comfortable with it, but I couldn't find/install some of the tools I like (i.e., gparted, among others).
  • Devuan - This is, in my opinion, still a work in process. They have a good foundation going and it's completely stable enough, but the tools and toys are still not on par with what is available in MX.
  • SolydX/K - It was to this distribution I moved when I "fell out of love" with LMDE. This was back in the days when they were tracking Debian Testing and the community was active, interested, friendly, and really working the product. Make no mistake, they are still active, interested, and friendly but the development team is not what it was in the beginning and they are no longer working that almost impossible task of tracking Testing. They migrated to Debian Stable - just like most other Debian derivatives. And, they are stable. If MX were to, for some reason, be discontinued, it is to Soldyd that I would move.
  • openSuse - This is the "Leap" version, their stable release. And, WOW - this is a really HUGE product. Because I know most of what I need to know about the others, it is this one that I might keep after I blow away the rest - just for exploration, experience, and learning. When compared to Debian, they do many things in a different manner and, to my mind, that's exciting.
BTW - in case anyone is interested, they all run.

BTW2 - I discovered that with more partitions on the disk, all disk operations take longer. And, it's not a linear function.
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Re: Is the grass greener over there?

#2 Post by chrispop99 »

That's interesting; thanks.

Another option for trying lots of distros is to have them all on one USB stick.

http://multibootusb.org/

works well with many distros for this.

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Re: Is the grass greener over there?

#3 Post by rokytnji.1 »

Usually I stomp around in the grass 1st before I live there. SolidX was fun to stomp around in.
Anything with LXDE I usually made with AntiX core as it's base.I was underwhelmed using LXDE < just druthers >
Fedora? The rawhide repos kicked my keister.
Open Suse? Was my 1st linux boot up. Did not last long. PBKAC. < probem between keyboard AND COMPUTER >
Sparky? Never tried it.

What ever tool fits my beefy hand best. That is the tool for me. Name branding does not enter into it.
I imagine I am not the only one who rolls like this.

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Re: Is the grass greener over there?

#4 Post by seaken64 »

I also look around once in awhile. I am definitely most comfortable in antiX and MX. But I also like Q4OS and Debian and openSUSE.

Here's a post I made a while back about my experience installing some other distros beside MX on an old ThinkCentre box I picked up cheap at the local surplus.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=56009&p=557990&hilit=Nicer#p557990

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Re: Is the grass greener over there?

#5 Post by CharlesV »

My two cents , (And I agree 100% srq2625 !) Mint is the only one I have kept installs on (14 still left).

Manjaro - loved it, struggled with multiple machines, each one had a different issue and was tough on install to boot . Also lost various things on updates!

Elementary - Nope, just never liked it

Zorin - Felt amateurish and continued issues with various installations.

Puppy - Loved it, but sadly far too much never worked right, or couldnt get installed.

Redhat - Ran good, but no love for what was happening. Seemed like i was always fighting with it.

Gentoo - Never could get all apps I wanted up and running.

Knoppix - Probably close to my next favorite, but struggled with getting development working on it.

A few more in there, many *quite* good in some areas ... The ONLY flavor I have *ever* been 100% happy with was Mepis . When Mepis closed down I ran it until I could no longer justify it and then moved Mint. When I found MX ... I found my way home .

Forgot to say ... I have been "playing" with linux since around 1994 or 1995, deep diving in every year or so to test the waters... approx 2005 i found Mepis and ran it and a linux box ever since.
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Re: Is the grass greener over there?

#6 Post by Bartman »

I like these distros and use these distros on different desktops.

SparkyLinux Xfce and LXQT

Antix Linux and MX Linux

LMDE 4 Debbie

Ubuntu LTS 18.04 / 20.04

Lubuntu LTS 20.04

LXDE Linux 18.04


I'm still learning about openSUSE Leap 15.2 and it works good and has a learning curve although does have great documentation and I have patience.

I tried Arch Linux and I did get it installed however I didn't want to spend the rest of my life trying to get it working.

I'm confused enough with the distros I use why add more confusion I'm no Linux guru and don't want to become a Linux burnout.
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Re: Is the grass greener over there?

#7 Post by srq2625 »

Just a quick follow-up ... just in case there's any interest.

TL;DR -- It was a fun experiment but MX rules!

I decided to do a full-up install of the openSuse KDE on both my desktop and laptop (it's nice to have extra HDD laying around) and do some ad-hoc performance testing (comparing against MX Linux); basically run some programs and keep an eye on CPU load (via gnome-system-monitor) and temps (via "sensors"). As you can see - all very, very scientific!

So I processed a couple of RAW images to JPG (using darktable) and watched a video (youtube on google chrome).

Desktop (see specs in my signature), didn't notice ANY real difference in either CPU load or temperatures. But my desktop has a MASSIVE heat sink and fan (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY).

My laptop is another matter. Everything was looking pretty good and about the same as the MX Linux install. Then I started up the youtube video. Where my temperatures were running 55°C to about 60°C with MX and no fan running, with openSuse they started at about 60°C and spiked up to about 65°C. The fan was running just about all the time and in "high gear" (my fan seems to have four speeds: off, low, med, high). So, something is going on there!
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Re: Is the grass greener over there?

#8 Post by rokytnji.1 »

Zorin - Felt amateurish and continued issues with various installations.
Paid or free version? I consider the free version a flim flam come on. For the paid version
So to keep their hinky adverts. on point.
Easy to use. Like Windows.
Seems the free version is a bare minimum and a clueless former windows user gets upset with the sentence above.

There are some linux distros I am biased against. Just being honest. :popcorn:

Zorin questions on a public linux forum get ignored by me. Usually.
Because they advertise paid support.
I figure if you like Zorin. Pay for it. Still cheaper with full support iso. VS other aid operating systems with online paid support.

Since their come on is geared toward Windows Users. :lipsrsealed:

Back to your normal programming. Don't mind me.

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Re: Is the grass greener over there?

#9 Post by andyprough »

srq2625 wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:25 am Just a quick follow-up ... just in case there's any interest.

TL;DR -- It was a fun experiment but MX rules!

I decided to do a full-up install of the openSuse KDE on both my desktop and laptop (it's nice to have extra HDD laying around) and do some ad-hoc performance testing (comparing against MX Linux); basically run some programs and keep an eye on CPU load (via gnome-system-monitor) and temps (via "sensors"). As you can see - all very, very scientific!

So I processed a couple of RAW images to JPG (using darktable) and watched a video (youtube on google chrome).

Desktop (see specs in my signature), didn't notice ANY real difference in either CPU load or temperatures. But my desktop has a MASSIVE heat sink and fan (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY).

My laptop is another matter. Everything was looking pretty good and about the same as the MX Linux install. Then I started up the youtube video. Where my temperatures were running 55°C to about 60°C with MX and no fan running, with openSuse they started at about 60°C and spiked up to about 65°C. The fan was running just about all the time and in "high gear" (my fan seems to have four speeds: off, low, med, high). So, something is going on there!
This is interesting, I haven't used Leap but did use various versions of suse for about 20 years. I've had very good experience in recent years with their rolling release version, Tumbleweed. If you want to keep trying suse I'd recommend moving to Tumbleweed, which is where most of the opensuse development resources go. But it is a heavy distro and does demand a lot of memory and may cause heavier CPU usage. Once I found MX, I haven't gone back to suse. But the help forum is top notch.
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Re: Is the grass greener over there?

#10 Post by mxer »

I'm presently back here with MX because I have a slight problem with a recently purchased pre used monitor, it appears to be stuck in XGA, instead of being SXGA, AntiX won't drive it at the higher resolution for some unknown reason, a download of Slackware live XFCE set it up OK whilst running live, (but no installer), so I tried MX, it comes up as XGA, but I can reset it to SXGA to use, but it just keeps on reverting to XGA when re booted, (& yes, I have tried saving the configuration); it's a puzzle, but liveable with, for now. ;)

My other distros - AntiX, of course, (my main distro of choice), & some lightweight versions of Slack get an airing now & again; plus Tiny Core & SliTaz, always on standby, if I need something small to run on an old machine. I've tried to like Devuan, but it just doesn't seem to hold me.
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