calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:43 am
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Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:00 am
Good news IMHO
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:35 am
but but but I I have the debian installer process in muscle memory at this point! 
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:44 am
As long as I can achieve LUKS+LVM with XFS root filesystem easily enough, I'll be happy.
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:40 am
Nice, I can't wait to see it on MXlinux
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:35 pm
I generally use the Debian net install iso. I've done it so many times I don't even have to think about the steps to install at this point. But recently used the Live Xfce Debian iso with Calamares. Was a very fast install and quite simple to do. The biggest shock for me was no root password. I'm not used to Debian without a separate root and user password, so the first time I updated I used su and it said I didn't have permission, or something like that, until I realized I needed to use sudo like with Ubuntu.
It is definitely a good move for new users to Debian. Using the non-free iso version really makes Debian simple to use out of the box alongside Calamares installer.
It is definitely a good move for new users to Debian. Using the non-free iso version really makes Debian simple to use out of the box alongside Calamares installer.
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:56 pm
Why? What does it offer what the current installer lacks?
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:00 pm
the inability to install from persistence. /sarcasmanticapitalista wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:56 pmWhy? What does it offer what the current installer lacks?
we looked at calamares in the 17 series because we were interested in the guided partitioning setup. But we were going to have to write a whole module to support our live system.
naturally we stuck with our installer.
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:53 pm
The last time I looked at it, it also required loads of KDE 5 dependencies, which would have made our ISO at least a hundred MB larger for not much gain.
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:42 pm
i found the article today and posted it for the devs and oithers; but not taking any sides as such. i am most pleased with everything i have seen with mx 18.3 and also tthe 19rc1 from todya's instal on 2 thinkpads. having run debian and also ubuntu based stuff this is my first time i guess not with systemd. and no not starting anything along those lines. Just stating that i am happy mx 's init/sysvinit or is it svsvinit? whatever. I am a happy camper as they say!
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:00 pm
@winemaker - I'm glad you posted the link to the article. Very useful IMO to give us some ideas on how to improve our gazelle installer (for MX and antiX).
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:03 pm
i am glad. sometimes i feel like many people could care less about certain tech news etc.
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:38 pm
I have been thinking about adding guided partitioning to the installer for a while, but I haven't worked out all the details yet. I believe adding that to our installer will be easier than trying to write a calamares module to support the live system. I am not aware of any feature requests to add this, and so close to release time it isn't my highest priority.dolphin_oracle wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:00 pmwe looked at calamares in the 17 series because we were interested in the guided partitioning setup. But we were going to have to write a whole module to support our live system.
Not only would this arrangement benefit antiX as well as MX, it means we don't inherit megabytes of bloat from calamares and dependencies, and bugs from a whole new module for catering to our live system.
Our installer has been around for over 10 years longer than the Calamares installer has been around, so it's a tried and tested technology. In fact recent work included cleaning up the cruft left behind from the old MEPIS OS center, which has been gone since 2006.
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:13 am
AK-47.AK-47 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:38 pm I have been thinking about adding guided partitioning to the installer for a while, but I haven't worked out all the details yet. I believe adding that to our installer will be easier than trying to write a calamares module to support the live system. I am not aware of any feature requests to add this, and so close to release time it isn't my highest priority.
Not only would this arrangement benefit antiX as well as MX, it means we don't inherit megabytes of bloat from calamares and dependencies, and bugs from a whole new module for catering to our live system.
Our installer has been around for over 10 years longer than the Calamares installer has been around, so it's a tried and tested technology. In fact recent work included cleaning up the cruft left behind from the old MEPIS OS center, which has been gone since 2006.
Big thumbs up for this post and for all your work on improving our installer.
Re: calamares plans for debian 11
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:15 am
Bloat, world peace, an end to poverty, and enough steam coming out of Eadwine Rose's ears to power the town's turbine generators for 3 weeks, because it can't install the NVIDIA drivers.anticapitalista wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:56 pmWhy? What does it offer what the current installer lacks?
Thanks Anti. Wouldn't have been possible without the rest of you guys though.anticapitalista wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:13 amBig thumbs up for this post and for all your work on improving our installer.