MX Linux Forum

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:18 am There are users running those here. Just install, then select up at the top on the login screen.

smittyvanilli wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:32 pm Yes, I agree the Arch Wiki and also the Gentoo Wiki are great resources to learn from and are great distros. One can learn even by installing Archlinux in a VM (Virtual Machine for new users) , which I will be doing in the future. Perhaps I can replicate what I did wrong if it was my own doing, however I'm strung for time in the process!

This is the beauty of Linux, in my opinion. The education never ceases! And I haven't even mentioned the Linux From Scratch project, as well as Nutyx distro, which is based on LFS. At some point, for education, I would love to learn from the LFS project.

sudo ddm-mx -p nvidia

This represents a failure to start X, the windows system used by Linux, and is most often due to problems with the graphics driver being used

smittyvanilli wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:32 pmThis is the beauty of Linux, in my opinion. The education never ceases!

gimcrack wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:51 pmI never recommend more then one DE on one account.

manyroads wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:13 pm I am one of very few bspwm users here.

I can say that I have no problem running i3wm and xfce from the same user account with bspwm (on MX 18.3 and antiX19b3). Though, i3wm & bspwm need to have different versions of ploybar &/or tint2 if you choose to use those. That is not an MX or antiX issue but rather differences between the 2 wms.

Once both MX & antiX release their new versions I will build bspwm respins of both and will likely include i3wm, as well. In the meantime should you decide to dip your toe in the water, you will encounter currency issues with dunst, polybar, bspwm & i3wm. The repo team here is great and support those of us on the 'fringe' really very well. It's just that the timing with both MX & antiX betas out makes things slow. I assume you are not averse to building pieces when you need to do that, just be cautious. You don't want to build a frankendebian install.

If you want to follow my adventures, I publish them on my site at:
http://eirenicon.org/

smittyvanilli wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:03 pm [...]
Bwspm is one of the WMs I would like to experience in a matter of time. Isn't that close to be one of the most advanced WMs out there?

What is the difference between polybar and tint2?

And finally, are you saying you are making your own distro based off of MX & antix on top of bwspm / i3? If so, that may be an interesting project, I'm sure!

smittyvanilli wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:53 pm Well, I have installed the 3 desktop WMs mentioned and they all seem to work. I have to learn how to use them! I even included others, such bwspm, dwm, herbluftwm, and xmonad. That's a lot of window managers! It is my hope to get experience in all of these, eventually. Productivity in coding and development is my game and I think if one is using much of the shell and using multiple windows / workspaces, one can benefit from using these WMs.

All your responses have been helpful. I'm learning quite a bit already just from having these experiences.

Also, I think I can say that I have "a home", for at least 2 years, including really enjoying the XFCE DE (i.e. home is MX). And I'm sure I'll have more new questions raised based on this fact!

manyroads wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:26 pm

smittyvanilli wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:03 pm [...]
Bwspm is one of the WMs I would like to experience in a matter of time. Isn't that close to be one of the most advanced WMs out there?

What is the difference between polybar and tint2?

And finally, are you saying you are making your own distro based off of MX & antix on top of bwspm / i3? If so, that may be an interesting project, I'm sure!

You can see early versions of my bspwm efforts, with detailed explanations, here: https://eirenicon.org/knowledge-base/bu ... p-a-guide/
Actually a respin is a 'lot' less than a distro. :lipsrsealed:

Have fun!

gimcrack wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:51 pm

smittyvanilli wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:53 pm Well, I have installed the 3 desktop WMs mentioned and they all seem to work. I have to learn how to use them! I even included others, such bwspm, dwm, herbluftwm, and xmonad. That's a lot of window managers! It is my hope to get experience in all of these, eventually. Productivity in coding and development is my game and I think if one is using much of the shell and using multiple windows / workspaces, one can benefit from using these WMs.

All your responses have been helpful. I'm learning quite a bit already just from having these experiences.

Also, I think I can say that I have "a home", for at least 2 years, including really enjoying the XFCE DE (i.e. home is MX). And I'm sure I'll have more new questions raised based on this fact!

Your start out with to many WM. I started with openbox while I was using Crunchbang. That was my very first experience with a WM. It's been a while before I try out a tiling window manager. I went with i3 and glad I did. Their website has all the info to become very productive with i3. Then I try out bspwm, which is different then i3, which has two config files one are for the keybindings. Took a while to get it going. As it wasn't as easy as setting up i3. Then later on I try out herbluftwm, which was very easy to deal with since I dealt with previous ones. The really different one I try out was dwm. Since you have to recompile every time you make a change. It's not hard to do, it was just different then the others. I'm currently using Pekwm as my window manager. I'm just saying learn one before you move on to the next one. Don't jump around to soon. I mean spend sometime with one window manager and understand it, even try to have a good workflow before moving onto the next one. I like to experiment with other things as well. But I at least understand what is in front of me, before I move one and just carry that experience to the next project.

How has your experience been with Pekwm?

Not to mention, I found the following resource for WMs:
https://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html

gimcrack wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:51 pm

smittyvanilli wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:53 pm Well, I have installed the 3 desktop WMs mentioned and they all seem to work. I have to learn how to use them! I even included others, such bwspm, dwm, herbluftwm, and xmonad. That's a lot of window managers! It is my hope to get experience in all of these, eventually. Productivity in coding and development is my game and I think if one is using much of the shell and using multiple windows / workspaces, one can benefit from using these WMs.

All your responses have been helpful. I'm learning quite a bit already just from having these experiences.

Also, I think I can say that I have "a home", for at least 2 years, including really enjoying the XFCE DE (i.e. home is MX). And I'm sure I'll have more new questions raised based on this fact!

Your start out with to many WM. I started with openbox while I was using Crunchbang. That was my very first experience with a WM. It's been a while before I try out a tiling window manager. I went with i3 and glad I did. Their website has all the info to become very productive with i3. Then I try out bspwm, which is different then i3, which has two config files one are for the keybindings. Took a while to get it going. As it wasn't as easy as setting up i3. Then later on I try out herbluftwm, which was very easy to deal with since I dealt with previous ones. The really different one I try out was dwm. Since you have to recompile every time you make a change. It's not hard to do, it was just different then the others. I'm currently using Pekwm as my window manager. I'm just saying learn one before you move on to the next one. Don't jump around to soon. I mean spend sometime with one window manager and understand it, even try to have a good workflow before moving onto the next one. I like to experiment with other things as well. But I at least understand what is in front of me, before I move one and just carry that experience to the next project.

manyroads wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:13 pm If you are looking to learn window managers... remember there are two primary styles:
1. stacking (the more popular)
2. tiling (more on edge due to its less common interface style).

The most popular stacking wm is probably OpenBox (OB). iceWM & fluxbox are close behind. My unofficial ratings.
The most popular tiler is i3wm (and variants).

Most people would recommend you start with some combination of those, I think. Before starting, you might want to investigate the types of wms and see which sounds like a good fit for you and what you want to do. Remember this is linux. You can choose; you can change. But I recommend whatever you do, learn & have fun.

Stacking Window Managers allow you to move, resize, minimize, open, select,send-to-workspace, etc... floating windows using the mouse, the same way DEs do, but without all the additional software DEs bring. Many of them have many built-in, often (but not always) configurable keyboard shortcuts, with some tiling capabilities. Good stacking WMs are: 2bwm, Openbox, fvwm, CWM, Fluxbox, JWM, IceWM, PekWM, xfwm, Compiz

tonyB wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:31 amOh, and with the initial .profile sourcing of ~/.local/bin utterly failing, I think that helped in my assumption that the startup is broken.. Really that should be fixed.

# /usr/share/xsessions/dwm.desktop
[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=Dwm
Comment=Dynamic window manager
Exec=dwm-session
Icon=dwm
Type=XSession

#!/bin/sh
xset s 300 -dpms b off
if [ -f "${HOME}/Pictures/wallpaper.png" ]
then
   hsetroot -cover "${HOME}/Pictures/wallpaper.png"
else 
   xsetroot -solid "#101112"
fi
slstatus &
exec dwm